Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[Caylee Advocate]

 

[Shadowboy]

I had Thanksgiving with my son and wanted him to please explain the computer issue: he just rolled his eyes....I know this is more about the Brady issue but the first thing he asked me was how many people could have access to TA computer since he purchased it. Secondly, the amount of site accessed was "hinky" to him. Thirdly, he said so who cares how many sites he saw. Fourthly, any one touching a computer for forensics purposes better have a degree in computer forensics. Lastly, since there is a big befuddle over this, JSS should have everything sent to the FBI.

Sorry I didn't reply to your post with my research re: mirrored drives. The other thing I researched today was BN's qualifications as a computer forensics expert. There is absolutely nothing in his CV or his online creds mentioning computer forensics. He's a audio-video guy. (In fact, that's how he's ID'd in an 'unofficial' list of Maricopa County expert witnesses. Lonnie? Computer forensics. BN? Nope.)

Obviously BN's "evidence tracking" is a little lax (I'm referencing Tony's Dell).

The thing to keep in mind is (as you note above), this isn't really about, "Did TA view ?" It's: Did the police/prosecutor purposely alter/eliminate evidence, then lie about it under oath? If so, would the "altered evidence" spare Jodi?

I think that's it, anyway.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I hope it’s okay to link to this forensic computer blog site?
http://whereismydata.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/forensic-encase-verification-md5-and-other-myths/

As a Thanksgiving Scrooge (but I LOVE Christmas!), I spent this afternoon trying to get a “feel” for what goofs COULD have happened when TA’s hard drive was first mirrored using EnCase (as asserted by Bryan Neumeister during the “porngate” evidentiary hearing). The article above is extremely informative.

An excerpt:

“If the hard drive is not working correctly, or the cables are damaged, or the pins are not aligned correctly, or any of a host of other reasons then the hard drive will not image correctly. 99% of the time this error will be a very obvious error, …

Sometimes, very rarely but sometimes, the drive will image, but it will be producing junk data, or “skewed” data. …

In the worst case scenario this means that data will be imaged, Encase will read it, write it, and then verify it. The person conducting the image will then leave the scene and state, without intending to lie, that they have a 100% accurate image of the data. When in actual fact they have junk. This can, and does lead to all sorts of problems.”

If you’re interested, go read the entire post. The author gives an example where accusations were made that a drive had been wiped to hide evidence. Turns out it was a bad “mirror.”

What caught my eye was, “… or the pins are not aligned correctly.” IIRC, BN claimed the pins on TA’s HD were bent and he had to repair them. This article also says the EnCase ‘verification’ process does not verify the mirror against the original hard drive.

Hum. Heck if I know! It’s sad I’d rather research this rather than eat turkey and watch football, isn’t it?

Not sad at all. I love Thanksgiving, my fav holiday but there is no way I will watch football. Thankfully, my husband would rather spend time with family than bury himself in sports on TV. Just my blessing because makes it easy on me. . Seriously, we appreciate your research. Maybe Juan will know this as well...or maybe he has folks who read WS.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I apologize because I'm sure this has been discussed, is JA in the General population in jail.

She is in solitary confinement.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I apologize because I'm sure this has been discussed, is JA in the General population in jail.

No, she is all alone in her little concrete coffin.

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM - Sorry - I do not remember this information at all.

IIRC JA and Travis did not have vaginal sex (according to Jodi) because Travis had convinced her that vaginal sex (out of wedlock) was against the law of chastity but there were other things they could do (hence the KY & oral stuff).

I don't think that Jodi is anything other than a female from birth.

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You lost me. Where did you hear they didn't have vaginal sex? He called her a three hole wonder. I am certain they had sex every way imaginable. Even he and Deanna did also.

 

[Sydni]

More in the exact direction of 11/1.

Jury Foreman - stealth/rogue juror - IMO .... drives me NUTS to this day!!! I haven't been around since the first trial, but just wanted to get my $.02 in on this one. I haven't read through all of the threads, so this might be redundant. Praying we get the results we want in this new penalty trial !!!!!!!!

 

[Nore]

You lost me. Where did you hear they didn't have vaginal sex? He called her a three hole wonder. I am certain they had sex every way imaginable. Even he and Deanna did also.

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Once when JA was on the stand I heard her say they had vag. sex once. Said it was a disaster. Nothing else said about it.

 

[bznbear]

Sorry I didn't reply to your post with my research re: mirrored drives. The other thing I researched today was BN's qualifications as a computer forensics expert. There is absolutely nothing in his CV or his online creds mentioning computer forensics. He's a audio-video guy. (In fact, that's how he's ID'd in an 'unofficial' list of Maricopa County expert witnesses. Lonnie? Computer forensics. BN? Nope.)

Obviously BN's "evidence tracking" is a little lax (I'm referencing Tony's Dell).

The thing to keep in mind is (as you note above), this isn't really about, "Did TA view ?" It's: Did the police/prosecutor purposely alter/eliminate evidence, then lie about it under oath? If so, would the "altered evidence" spare Jodi?

I think that's it, anyway.

I'm surprised there's not more attention paid to the chain of custody concerning these HDD copies. If there are discrepancies between the original mirror and what the DT have, I cannot believe it has anything to do with deliberate alterations by MPD/state.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

IIRC, CMJA also talked about them having vaginal sex twice in the bathtub. It's rather strange that I can recall her version of their sexcapades faster than I can my own. :blushing: But maybe it's because I don't put my bedtime stories out there for all the world to hear. :shame:

 

[Nore]

Me neither. But maybe he kept it next to his holster on the closet shelf.

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[Spellbound]

haha! I thought the video of Jodi's parents begging for donations had disappeared from the Internet, but I found it again. They can run, but they can't hide!

http://www.wildabout-trials.com/jodi-arias-retrial.html
(have to copy/paste into search bar for some reason, then scroll down to 11/3/2014)

OR:
http://youtu.be/BoXVYCrFaVE

 

[cindymac]

There could be some confusion given the CoA has apparently stated they will issue an opinion on their ruling. That is where there should be discussion of how they arrived at their ruling, citing law supporting the ruling, etc., and possibly it is believed that because this opinion has yet to be published there is further ruling yet to be published. Of course, it may be the case that there is further ruling to come, but it also may be that all that is left to come is the CoA opinion on the issues already ruled on--secret testimony and media banned from the courtroom.

I think you have it exactly right, krkrjx - the ruling is over and done with, and an explanation is to follow.

Somewhere (I can't find it again), I've seen the second page of the ruling, and that's more or less exactly what it says.

Also, the CoA active case lists show "Last Updated: November 25, 2014" - before the ruling was announced - which would also explain why the case is still showing "under advisement". I would think that, like the trial minutes, online records ordinarily lag behind by a few days.

 

[cindymac]

ETA: Yes, maybe this is being unduly swayed by the family. But I see them as victims too and for some reason, Jodi is never going to say she is sorry. You know I have always prayed that Juan would read the letter Jodi wrote to Travis's grandma, the woman who raised him. If jurors didn't sentence her to death after that letter, nothing would make them do so.

MOO...I just want her to go away. But sheesh! Think of the horror Travis went through!

I tried to pick my words pretty carefully, by saying I didn't think they'd be "unduly" swayed. I agree completely that for many if not all jurors, the impact on the family will be a factor in their decision, and quite possible a very significant factor indeed. And I wouldn't think there was anything undue about that at all.

I added "unduly" as a sort of courtesy to the jurors, to indicate that I believe (or at least, hope!) that they're not a group of emotional basket cases, easily swung this way and that by whatever's thrown at them. Or in other words, that any impact that the family's experience has on them will be more than emotional - that it will be rooted in a rational clear-sighted appreciation (as it were) of the real-life horror and ongoing consequences of what Arias chose to do, and judged accordingly.

 

[AngelWings444]

Finally caught up after enjoying time with friends and family.

I am so ticked at JSS. I knew it was JA on the stand. How did she allow such a thing? Mind boggling. What really has gotten to me is that "whoever" was the witness on the stand, now we know it was JA, the jury is sure to hold this testimony in a different light than the other witnesses. Think about it. They will see it is different, this person is special, secret, giving this person's testimony more weight. It really ticks me off! I have tried to respect JSS but this one has made me lose all respect for her as a judge. JMO

Welcome back, Steely! Nice to see you again. I've been waiting for the "I hate JA" post. :waiting:

 

[Steve44]

I admit her reasoning seams a little foggy, but she probably felt the Constitution was preserved by the eventual release of all testimony to the public at the conclusion of sentencing, and she felt a temporary stay of public access was in the interest of the expediency of the trial and the thoroughness of all desired testimony. In the end the COA probably felt it was too extreme a solution to too small a problem, in that bad precedent would be set. It's exactly these kinds of bad decisions for seemingly good reasons that open the door to those same bad decisions later, but for bad reasons. JSS lost sight of the wider aspects of the law in her focus on its narrower application in this particular trial.

It was too late to edit the above but I just wanted to add that the entire situation shows how disproportionately entitled JA believes herself to be, and the extent of how disruptive she is willing to be to manipulate people and circumstances to get her way. It must have been hell for Travis at times to be the one she 'chose' to be closest to, and therefore to be the main focus of her myriad manipulations.

 

[krkrjx]

BBM - Sorry - I do not remember this information at all.

IIRC JA and Travis did not have vaginal sex (according to Jodi) because Travis had convinced her that vaginal sex (out of wedlock) was against the law of chastity but there were other things they could do (hence the KY & oral stuff).

I don't think that Jodi is anything other than a female from birth.

OT alert - I do know a family who had a child born with Turner's syndrome. They were told to decide which sex to raise as the child had been born with inadequate sexual organs & genitalia of both sexes. The Dr's did tell the parents it was "easier to dig a hole than build a pole". They chose to raise their child as female, and they removed her boy part right after birth. She had to take mass amounts of hormones and had to have the (above mentioned) surgery done when she was about 12. I believe she will always have to take hormones to retain her feminine looks. She will never be able to have children, but none of the girls that competed with her in gymnastics for many years ever knew she was born different than they were.

Agree but for one thing: I believe she convinced him there were other things they could do sexually because having a sexual relationship with TA was very important to her as sex was how she snared men. She did things other women in their lives didn't do, no doubt. I think she introduced the KY.

 

[krkrjx]

It was too late to edit the above but I just wanted to add that the entire situation shows how disproportionately entitled JA believes herself to be, and the extent of how disruptive she is willing to be to manipulate people and circumstances to get her way. It must have been hell for Travis at times to be the one she 'chose' to be closest to, and therefore to be the main focus of her myriad manipulations.

She is a true narcissist, for sure, and the world revolves around her!

 

[krkrjx]

I apologize because I'm sure this has been discussed, is JA in the General population in jail.

No. She was before trial but has been isolated since being found guilty.

 

[Steve44]

She is a true narcissist, for sure, and the world revolves around her!

And from all I've seen Travis had more patience and tolerance in his little finger than i could muster on my best day. It's too bad he took sex with Jodi as an expression of love. For her it was nothing of the sort. Her true nature was revealed in what she did to a truly good and remarkable man. She is nothing but a dark force, and completely unresponsive to light.