Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

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  • #921
I had absolutely no idea what stuff was being posted blogged about relating to this case, just went for a meander round the web and jaw on floor amazement, I am genuinely flummoxed as to why it matters so much to people who are not relatives or personal friends of the victim or defendant,

I had no idea this crime had been committed until the murderer had all those television interviews smiling and saying she "would never hurt Travis". Then months or years later I heard she confessed so I got curious. What would make her smile the way she did, to beg for the death penalty IF she did it, and then say "Mark my words. I will never be convicted.". Well heck, when someone is that arrogant you get curious. Then I began reading about Travis. Okay, what if he wasn't perfect? He certainly had friends and family who loved him. He certainly didn't deserve to be slaughtered. I don't use the word murdered. I say slaughtered, like you might slaughter and gut an animal. Ugh. Then I heard about websleuths so I joined and used the name of Curious because I was!

So it matters to me. I have sons and brothers. Travis could have been one of them. I care about him, about his family who are still victimized by her to this very day. I want to see her eat her words as she is locked away for life. I don't spend time hating her or the countless other vile creatures like Casey Anthony, Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson. I just want them all locked away and paying for their crimes. Casey walked but she cannot walk far enough. God knows just what she did.

Hope this helps you. What I cannot understand are the many people that don't care about the victims. I am genuinely flummoxed by those to whom this case does not matter.
 
  • #922
IIRC Jodi talks about one time that Travis had scattered rose petals and candles on the floor to his bathroom and candles around the tub and that he made her fell like a goddess. I think that might of been the frist time vaginal sex.

And which ended in disaster. I guess rose petals, candlelight, and Jodi Arias don't mix.
 
  • #923
IIRC Jodi talks about one time that Travis had scattered rose petals and candles on the floor to his bathroom and candles around the tub and that he made her fell like a goddess. I think that might of been the frist time vaginal sex.


She told Flores that the last time she and Travis had sex was in April, and I don't think it was that time, he was tired of her and wanted her gone.

I'm sorry, I just do not remember her saying they did have vaginal sex, but if they did - I am sure JA would think that was a "red letter day". Anybody able to provide a link to when she said this? TIA!!!

ETA: maybe highlighting this event in her journal?
 
  • #924
I'm sorry, I just do not remember her saying they did have vaginal sex, but if they did - I am sure JA would think that was a "red letter day". Anybody able to provide a link to when she said this? TIA!!!

ETA: maybe highlighting this event in her journal?


Do you honestly believe they never had sex that way when Travis called her a three hole wonder? Please don't believe her lies.
 
  • #925
Gosh I remember a women posting abt the westerfield trial on a forum she had a billboard up that he was innocent and after his trial she sent him pictures of her children to hang in his cell. I have often wondered what happened to her and where in life she is now.. Shocked the heck out of me..

Now that is as sick as a mother selling her children to a pedophile...and not that far off (I watched every min of that trial on CTV and thank GOd that monster is locked up for good)
 
  • #926
To me, it's unconscionable that making these kinds of allegations is even allowed. I really want to see sanctions if there is no substance to claims made in motions and subsequent testimony.

Respectfully snipped

JSKS presiding.

There will be no sanctions.
 
  • #927
I think we can all agree it's a ((((hard to find the right adjective))) Act of God? that Jodi
Arias never got pregnant with anyone's child, esp Travis. Thinking of the film Dear Zachary. :(
 
  • #928
Theories on what JSS sealed in a motion to allow Jodi to testify as a secret witness:

1) Jodi testified about being sexually abused or sexually active as a child or young teen - didn't want family/friends in the courtroom
2) Jodi is arguing that her life is in danger because she faces the death penalty - therefore she deserves to testify in secret.
3) Jodi testifying about Travis pedo stuff and argues she is protecting the identity of a sexually abused child.

Any others?

My understanding is there is very narrow window of reasons a judge can close a courtroom - 1) child sexual abuse being exposed to the public - preventing further harm to the child; 2) an undercover cop who might be exposed during testimony; 3) if testimony could place someone in imminent danger if exposed in the media; 4) Something that would cause irrepairable harm to the defendent; or 5) a potential juror who was asked if they had ever been sexually abused when deciding on a rape case -as identified by the Media's Atty in hearing before the CoA.

Maybe a couple of others
 
  • #929
from both witnesses, Dworkin & Melendez. There was nothing there. No 🤬🤬🤬🤬.

So, to be as BN testified, both experts had to be incompetent. And BN doesn't find it from the mirror copy. No, he gets the actual hard drive and finds all this 🤬🤬🤬🤬. But the hard drive also gets damaged so no one else can replicate whatever he did. And he still hasn't provided the copy of the drive that he used.

I don't believe it. I believe he could be viewing a copy of a drive with 🤬🤬🤬🤬. But that drive will not be the mirror image of the original drive. IMO, if there's anything there, it was planted. Hopefully that will be easy to demonstrate if he ever turns the copy over. Maybe he figures he can play this tune-the other experts weren't as good as me-I found it and they couldn't. If something is found not on the mirror images used by the experts I suppose he has some story about how it was "hidden" from those inferior experts. Sounds unbelievable but if the drive is truly damaged there could be no irrefutable proof for the jury I guess.

BN surely sounds kooky enough to believe he could get away with it-he has no problem making up out of whole cloth, the "science" of reading photographic eyeballs for critical evidence. And he seems quite smitten with the damsel in DP distress.

I just don't believe that 🤬🤬🤬🤬 wasn't found if it was there. And no way did the police or Juan care if there was 🤬🤬🤬🤬. They take their victims as they find them. Why would they even care if 🤬🤬🤬🤬 was on the computer. If TA had been into 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Juan could have easily dealt with it as it's hardly that unusual and it isn't a defense to murder if the victim likes to watch 🤬🤬🤬🤬.

In the first trial the DT didn't even care about 🤬🤬🤬🤬. They did try to say something about women naked from the waist up and tried to intimate the music video "Harder faster stronger" was dirty and that was ALL they had.

It also makes sense that TA wouldn't have 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on that computer. It was in an essentially public area of a house he shared with other LDS and where his door was always open to his many friends. No way would have have 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on that. Maybe he would have liked to have watched 🤬🤬🤬🤬-who the heck cares.

My notes from Dworkin testimony:

Ensure copies match-his copy read only. Standard protocol-we all including LE follow same protocol. Verify evidence is intact. Recover lost folders. If Parent file deleted-child can still be recovered-next step run file signature verification. Sometimes people try to hide info by changing file extension-jpeg-doc etc. check to see files actually match header.

Then examined looking at areas of interest. Internet history-two types of recovery used for this-Encase (internet history-when you surf a log file is maintained that’s not visible to user-it's hidden and Encase recovers these log files and creates a Master Log File. Recovers previously deleted browser records. He generated report-standard Encase report. Report tells us internet history-tells time, date etc. Each thing you do on internet is a log event. Typing in url, redirect, etc.

My notes from Melendez testimony:

Worked for Mesa Police inJune of 2008 in the computer forensics unit. Looked at laptop. He forensically examined hard drive. No indication he couldn’t access anything in hard drive. Everything was available/viewed.

No photos of women from waist up-no photos of women’s breasts.

Initially searched for all types of file images. Looked for files embedded in other files, i.e. photo in doc. No naked women. All interenet history. No access to adult sites.

Looked at what software was added. Just basic software added. Windows office. Looked for file sharing software. No images of children.

Media, cd’s etc seized. Computer registered to Deanna. He looked at it for recent activity.

What do you do to forensic exam. Seized and made mirror image. Hard drive is where data is. Powered it down to preserve data. Wrote report. Exhibit 347-has him read second paragraph. Last activity 4:54.

Cookies-leave a trail-but all history is available in internet history. Exhibit 419-harder faster stronger video-that’s what defense spent their time on. June 4, 2008 at 4:54 last time it was accessed.



Neumeister and defense counsel have made some very bold accusations. We have to wait for more testimony to understand whether these allegations are true or a twisting of facts.

Dworkin generated a report which was more than 1,000 pages long. He testified that he examined recovered files.

Some explanations which would refute Neumeisters claims carrying a sinister pall:
- Travis may have scheduled a task for his laptop to come out of sleep mode on the morning of 6/10/08 to check his flight status with Southwest Airlines. This would explain why the computer booted out of sleep mode before the search warrant was signed, and that it automatically pinged Southwest Airlines.
- We know from Neumeister's testimony that TA's computer had at least 19 software programs to handle malware and other issues. Some of these AV programs can be bogus; for example, people who are concerned about malware may load an antivirus program onto their computer thinking it is a solution, when in fact it is malware masquerading as AV software. Based on the sheer number that BN cited, I tend to think this is what happened with TA'scomputer.
- Proper AV software will encrypt and quarantine suspect files. My guess is that all of these files BN is claiming were 🤬🤬🤬🤬, but not noticed by Dworkin or Melendez had been encrypted and quarantined by software.
- BN implied that TA had to search for some of these 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sites and that he accessed them. If he searched for them, the search would show up in his browser history. In the event that his full browser history was not available from his hard drive, the defense could always subpeona the ISP for this information. They did not because they know the results would not support their claim.

We'll have to wait for more testimony, but my gut tells me that BN put his balls on the table with this one, making some wild claims that will be shot down.

To me, it's unconscionable that making these kinds of allegations is even allowed. I really want to see sanctions if there is no substance to claims made in motions and subsequent testimony.
 
  • #930
She wants to remain at Estrella to do Jailhouse Idol again this year, it might be her last chance!!!

No more "Oh Holy Night".

This year she'll be singing "Santa Baby" to a visiting William Zervakos dress as the jolly old elf.
 
  • #931
I'm sorry, I just do not remember her saying they did have vaginal sex, but if they did - I am sure JA would think that was a "red letter day". Anybody able to provide a link to when she said this? TIA!!!

ETA: maybe highlighting this event in her journal?
She testified to this:

" 5:20 p.m. ET:*Arias said when she got to Alexander's house, they had vaginal sex two times in the bathtub. Alexander said it was underwater so it didn't count in regards to the Mormon law of chastity.

“I didn’t think it was serious. He said it was underwater, so it doesn’t count – when talking about having vaginal sex in the bathtub,” said Arias."

Link: http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/12/live-blog-jodi-aras-testifies-day-5
 
  • #932
I don't recall that individual deletion was ever proven.

Assumed perhaps, but proven?

We can be certain that she knew enough to be able to remove the card from the camera or connect the camera to a computer (a Compaq Presario, for example), delete any or all of the photos either individually or en masse, and disconnect the camera or place the card back in the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H9 whichever may have been applicable.

(I verified that Sony supplied USB cables with those cameras. Source: https://docs.sony.com/release/DSC-H7_H9.pdf)

My camera is a Sony Cybershot DSC H-1. So it's much older than Travis'. My brother told me to re-format the camera every time after I downloaded the pictures to my computer and have deleted them. He told me that even though I'd deleted the pictures a slight image would still remain. So by re-formatting the memory it erased all traces of those picture and made the next ones crisper. So now I re-format my memory card three times in a row to make sure it's totally clean for the next pictures.

My Cybershot came with a USB cord that has one end to plug into the camera and then the other end is plugged into the computer. There is software to download before putting the pictures on your computer for the first time. At the end of downloading the pictures it will ask you if you want to erase all of the pictures on the camera and I do it then, but then reformat the memory again three times by using the camera's own internal formatting ability.

(For camera novices: reformatting doesn't affect the date and time you've already put in the camera or any other programming you've done. It only affects the memory cards.)

Please ask your brother if taking photos of old photos without dates would look like they were taken that day. It has always bothered me that some were time stamped and others were not. She did tell Flores that she thought the dates could be altered!

Do you mean taking old pictures without the time and date stamps on the actual image, and then taking a picture of the printed picture with the camera having the time and date stamp feature on?

Since I know what kind of camera it is and own a similar model I can tell you it would be impossible, in this situation. IIRC, Travis' camera was brand new and no previous pictures had taken on it. So Jodi would have had to taken a picture, printed it out, and then retaken a picture of that picture. If they were old pictures she's brought with her to re-photograph with a date and time stamp on them it would still be very, very difficult.

First, the camera she had originally taken the pictures on would have to have similar picture dimensions and that's assuming she didn't use a computer program like I have, separate from the camera software, to resize them, and crop them.

Second, she'd have to affix them to a board without pins just a glued backing and they would have to perfectly flat against the surface or bowing of the picture would distort it.

So it's very slightly possible, but I'd put it in the realm of impossible here. JMO

And, why did she attempt destroy evidence by putting it in the washer with bleach thinking it would destroy the camera? She was trying to hide the pics, IMO. Even though are deleted, they are recoverable. Another reason why I don't think she is so smart with technology.

Ive always wondered why she just didn't take the camera with her. The only reason I can think of, is LE would see the empty camera box with no camera and friends would point at Ms. Photographer, which they did anyways.

I think the camera was supposed to go with her. I think she hastily cleaned up what she could. In doing so she swept up the camera with the sheets and other things she wanted washed and stuffed them into the washer. I'm guessing she freaked out when she couldn't find the camera and just let it go because she wanted to get out of dodge. These cameras aren't very big. It's not like a professional photographers camera that you see on the sidelines of football games. Mine is 2 1/2" thick. 4" wide and 3 1/2" tall.

If it was intentional it is extremely curious as to why. JMO

I need to know more as well. For one thing, I want to know why JM said in court that he could prove that BN damaged the drive. He is not one to throw statements like that around casually so I am going to assume he does in fact have such proof. I want to know what it is!

Also, I want to know if JM has received the copy of the hard drive that JSS ordered BN to provide. He said JM would have it by Wednesday (day before Thanksgiving).

Finally, will JSS order the drive copies examined by a neutral party? If so, who? And how soon could that all be accomplished? If she sends everything to the FBI it might take years to figure out--aren't they usually backlogged? And would the FBI even agree to get involved in something at state level?

BBM

I respectfully disagree. Nurmi is probably just talking :censored: It's also hinky that the computer dude damaged the hard drive so much that no more testing can be done on it now.

160,000 pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is ridiculously impossible, and it's not 🤬🤬🤬🤬 for sure. They looked for words associated with 🤬🤬🤬🤬 like Teen and Tween, but couldn't rule out words with those words as part of them. Like BEtween or NINEteen. I haven't heard from anyone that they found actual images. I may be wrong about that, but that's what it sounds like.

The guy who did the searching is not a certified computer forensics expert. He's the dude who found the image of a dog's face person holding a camera in the reflection of Travis' eye. JMO

It could be a possibility. One of my best friends in college in San Diego confessed to me that her "parents" were really her grandparents, and that her "sister" was her real biological mother. It happens.

That's what happened to Jack Nicholson.
 
  • #933
If there was any way to legitimately claim the pictures were not taken on that day don't you think Nurmi would have played it for all it was worth? Anyway, it was water under the bridge at that point, because all of the evidence that Flores had that she was there, including the pictures, was convincing enough to Arias to confess that she was in fact there, but fighting the Ninjas on Travis' behalf instead of killing him, of course.

That's the way it's played out in this case, and usually does.

And you're giving Lawrence Kirk way too much credit. If his client knew differently, and a different 'truth' (or a lie) would have helped her, then that's precisely what he would have done.

Law enforcement, jurors, judges, and counselors treat DNA and technology like they're magic bullets.

What they don't know is that they're assuming certainty.

See the contradiction?
 
  • #934
The guilt phase trial was televised gavel to gavel and covered extensively in the media. In addition, Arias orchestrated an extensive media campaign of her own, a dramatic performance of outrageous lies, a psychopathic tour de force. These two combined to create a massive public interest.

That and the fact that most slaughter murderers don't photograph their crimes.
 
  • #935
That's the way it's played out in this case, and usually does.

And you're giving Lawrence Kirk way too much credit. If his client knew differently, and a different 'truth' (or a lie) would have helped her, then that's precisely what he would have done.


But he didn't, and that supports the validity of the pictures.
 
  • #936
[Quote by LinasK] It could be a possibility. One of my best friends in college in San Diego confessed to me that her "parents" were really her grandparents, and that her "sister" was her real biological mother. It happens.

That's what happened to Jack Nicholson.

Jack Nicholson's sister is his mother?
 
  • #937
Theories on what JSS sealed in a motion to allow Jodi to testify as a secret witness:

1) Jodi testified about being sexually abused or sexually active as a child or young teen - didn't want family/friends in the courtroom
2) Jodi is arguing that her life is in danger because she faces the death penalty - therefore she deserves to testify in secret.
3) Jodi testifying about Travis pedo stuff and argues she is protecting the identity of a sexually abused child.

Any others?

My understanding is there is very narrow window of reasons a judge can close a courtroom - 1) child sexual abuse being exposed to the public - preventing further harm to the child; 2) an undercover cop who might be exposed during testimony; 3) if testimony could place someone in imminent danger if exposed in the media; 4) Something that would cause irrepairable harm to the defendent; or 5) a potential juror who was asked if they had ever been sexually abused when deciding on a rape case -as identified by the Media's Atty in hearing before the CoA.

Maybe a couple of others

I cannot figure why JSS allowed secret testimomy but I doubt it has anything to do with any of what you have listed as acceptable reasons. If it did, the CoA would not have overturned JSS ruling.

I really think the actual reason Nurmi provided JSS is that someone received threats. We know now that JA testified in secret but we do not know if she is the only person Nurmi told JSS would testify only if it could be in secret. There may be or may have been other witnesses to testify who told Nurmi they didn't want to take the stand and be crossed by JM. I think Nurmi could have twisted what he sees as JM intimidation into something more for the sake of arguing for secret testimony. I say that only because I wouldn't put that past him, nor past JSS to side with him, but mostly because if there were an acceptable reason the CoA would have upheld rather than overturned JSS ruling.

Personally, I think the killer is throwing her family under the bus--perhaps even with their knowledge, i.e., they might have been told it is the only hope of saving her rotten life. (Similar scenario to that of the Florida baby killer.)
 
  • #938
But he didn't, and that supports the validity of the pictures.

It supports my contentions that: A) He doesn't know any better, and B) He believes that it helped his client.

He used the pics to pitch his Hail Mary 'snapped' defense.

Look at how much they were enjoying each other. She was there. They had sex. They took pictures. They slept. She could have killed him at any time, but he wasn't threatening her then, only after she dropped his camera... blah, blah, blah.
 
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