Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/05-08 In recess

[katiecoolady]

This entire defense strategy of slandering Travis, unfairly and obviously imo, so plainly contradicts her claim of remorse that I don't see how the defense expects that contradiction to count in her favor with the jury.

Excellent point!

 

[krkrjx]

There's nothing wrong with her giving interviews. TTL isn't exactly Good Morning America, lol. There's only a small group of people who even know she's been speaking. Even so, it's her right.

Yes, it's her right. No longer a juror, she is free as a bird to live her life and is not subject to any kind of gag order. Which is probably why there wasn't one placed on her. I do not think she is the devil because she wrote a bad check and I do not hate her.

On the other hand, I do not feel sorry for her. Had she just gone about her business quietly and been outed by someone with an agenda I would feel for her but she set herself up for scrutiny when she decided to speak publicly. If she continues to speak publicly there will probably be more nasty things said about her but she may be one of the people who is not bothered by such things.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Amazing, isn't it, how this trial has taken on the persona of the murderer, with its filth, vindictiveness and chaos. I suppose evil does that - engulfs everything it touches in malignant 'slime'. Strange that the very thing that is allowing this travesty is the justice system itself. I so want to set this trial aside, forget it exists, but I can't. Travis, his family and friends, and the State of Arizona, deserve justice, and I want to see it done. The only way I can accomplish that, I think, is to treat the whole thing as some melodramatic TV serial, Brit style, checking in each day for the latest episode, and to mull over the latest cliff-hanger.

I refuse to allow Arias any more of my mental commitment than that. May she rot in hell.

 

[garthmax]

What I don't get? Eventually everything gets leaked out of that courtroom. I mean everything. So why have we not been able to find out what CMJA said on the stand. I understand the transcript will be coming out soon, but still.

 

[Hope4More]

Amazing, isn't it, how this trial has taken on the persona of the murderer, with its filth, vindictiveness and chaos. I suppose evil does that - engulfs everything it touches in malignant 'slime'. Strange that the very thing that is allowing this travisty is the justice system itself. I so want to set it aside, forget it exists, but I can't. Travis, his family and friends, and the State of Arizona, deserve justice, and I want to see it done. The only way I can accomplish that, I think, is to treat the whole thing as some melodramatic TV serial, Brit style, checking in each day for the latest episode, and to mull over the latest cliff-hanger.

I refuse to allow Arias any more of my mental commitment than that. May she rot in hell.

Hear, hear....

 

[krkrjx]

Amazing, isn't it, how this trial has taken on the persona of the murderer, with its filth, vindictiveness and chaos. I suppose evil does that - engulfs everything it touches in malignant 'slime'. Strange that the very thing that is allowing this travisty is the justice system itself. I so want to set it aside, forget it exists, but I can't. Travis, his family and friends, and the State of Arizona, deserve justice, and I want to see it done. The only way I can accomplish that, I think, is to treat the whole thing as some melodramatic TV serial, Brit style, checking in each day for the latest episode, and to mull over the latest cliff-hanger.

I refuse to allow Arias any more of my mental commitment than that. May she rot in hell.

It's just like what happened in the Anthony trial. She lied and blamed everyone and then the defense decided it was all her response to sexual abuse. Abuse that was stated as fact with no proof ever offered.

The big difference is JA's victim was an adult and as such is much more vulnerable to Blame the Victim Syndrome. They couldn't do that with Casey's victim so they went after the closest adult male in her life--her dad. I suspect that when all is said and done we will see that Arias and Company have also targeted her father.

I would really like to see jury instructions be very specific regarding how the jurors should view testimony about events/situations/circumstances that go unproven because I think jurors have so much info to take in that they might not give enough weight to some of the instructions they receive. If it means a better justice system, maybe poll the jury on the instructions (whether they understand each and every one). IDK, but something needs to be done to separate truth from fiction in an arena where our Constitution allows both.

 

[Kamille]

What I don't get? Eventually everything gets leaked out of that courtroom. I mean everything. So why have we not been able to find out what CMJA said on the stand. I understand the transcript will be coming out soon, but still.

The only leaks appear to be from the defense. Likely via JA and her family themselves. They've got quite the information chain built it seems. JA's secret testimony is not something they will be sharing.

MOO

 

[krkrjx]

What I don't get? Eventually everything gets leaked out of that courtroom. I mean everything. So why have we not been able to find out what CMJA said on the stand. I understand the transcript will be coming out soon, but still.

Likely because MK wasn't in there when Killer testified in seekrit.

 

[Hatfield]

The judge never got a chance to rule. Jodi was pro per but gave up in the middle of the hearing regarding the letters, and the first thing her lawyers did was to withdraw the request to admit the letters as evidence. The rules are much more lax for the penalty phase, though. IMO copies could be admitted in the penalty phase if there were witnesses to explain how Jodi came to be in possession of those letters--basically "chain of custody" testimony starting with Travis and ending with Jodi.



Not really, other than pointing it out to the judge. Frankly, we really have no idea if he's complaining about it or not due to all the sealed bench conferences.

Thanks AZlawyer.

Regarding just the bolded point. The one thing I see Juan doing which is very good is he objects with what I feel are very valid objections and he gets no support from the judge on what I think are very valid objections.

Most of the ones I am referring to is when Juan objects about "no context" or "no basis" or something along those lines. When he does that I am thinking to myself....Yes perfect objection here and yet it seems his objections get denied and Nurmi is allowed to have his witness go off the deep end in totally unrelated topics of discussion that had no supporting justification.

I feel this is a huge reason the trial is taking so long when Nurmi has his witnesses on. If Juan would get more support when he does have valid objections, I feel it would help this trial a lot.

It seems to me that when he does try to bring about positive change to the terrible course this trial takes, he gets shot down and ignored. IMO the judge needs to carefully listen to what he says before she denies and rules against what he is saying.

All JMO of course.

 

[bznbear]

I mourn for the Alexanders whose raw hurt and pain I feel all too well, as they face their 7th Christmas without Travis and justice. I also feel the sickness that has pervaded the DT. The queen of the damned sits on her throne basking in her glory, proud of the devastation and desolation she's wrought.

She is the destroyer of good people; the butcher of innocents and innocence. Her defenders, Krampus-like, flit to and fro doing her bidding. They now seem to delight in their roles as they babble, foaming at the mouth, issuing nought but bile and poison. All the while, the court jester sits idly by, watching. This trial has become anything but about justice.

 

[daisydomino]

Honestly, you do not want to sleuth Sandra Webber. She's a vile woman who blogs and tweets, taking great pleasure in innuendo and publishing people's private information. She clearly suffers from some kind of personality disorder.

She is not welcome in any of the closed Arias support groups because she cannot be trusted with information or not to attack people. She's even been cruel with Aunt Sue. Yet for some reason, MDLR follows her on Twitter and will send private Direct Messages to Webber, many of which have been captured by screen shot and then tweeted.

I'm not sure how many people here are aware of it yet, but last week Arias wrote a three page letter to her supporters and it was leaked last night on the Travesties FB page. This letter clearly shows how much control CMJA has over her social media presence and her awareness of who the players are and what is being said. In spite of being locked up for 23 hours a day, with limited visitation, CMJA does wield considerable power and control when it comes to supporters and social media presence. She can only do this with a very organized system of communication and individuals who are willing to do her bidding.

Ugh! What in the world? I'm not going to look.

She doesn't control anything. Those people are nutz. In that leaked phone call recording that came out over the summer you can hear in JA's voice how annoyed she is that her people don't do exactly as she tells them to do to support her appeal donations business. Then a couple months later, her parents do a half-azzed emotionless panhandling YouTube. LOL. It's like being in control of an infestation of roaches.

 

[bznbear]

Amazing, isn't it, how this trial has taken on the persona of the murderer, with its filth, vindictiveness and chaos. I suppose evil does that - engulfs everything it touches in malignant 'slime'. Strange that the very thing that is allowing this travisty is the justice system itself. I so want to set it aside, forget it exists, but I can't. Travis, his family and friends, and the State of Arizona, deserve justice, and I want to see it done. The only way I can accomplish that, I think, is to treat the whole thing as some melodramatic TV serial, Brit style, checking in each day for the latest episode, and to mull over the latest cliff-hanger.

I refuse to allow Arias any more of my mental commitment than that. May she rot in hell.

Ah yes, maybe "Eastenders" or "Neighbors"?

 

[Nosey Parker]

Ah yes, maybe "Eastenders" or "Neighbors"?

LOL Even Coronation Street was not as melodramatic as this!

 

[krkrjx]

Hinky in my book.....defense wanted her off. Jodi did not like her questions.... IMO.

So it is good that she is dismissed. If they objected to her staying it could have been an appeal issue later on. I would rather they got their way on this than be denied and walk away with a possibly viable appeal issue. JMO.

 

[gcharlie]

Regarding this whole computer issue and , let me put some more information into the timeline that I have not seen presented.

• On or around 8/25/14, the defense had access to the physical hard drive and made a copy of it. Per the defense, pins were bent and had to be straightened before a copy could be made. There's confusing information, because it appears that Arias requested access to the hard drive again on September 2 and this was granted by the court.
• Shortly after this, Arias stepped down from self representation.
• On 10/1/14, the defense filed a lengthy motion to dismiss. While it had been more than five weeks since the defense obtained a copy of the hard drive in question, there was no mention of findings in that motion. The motion did discuss a hard drive at length, but it was Arias' damaged hard drive.
• On 10/20/14, an ex parte motion was filed under seal by Arias pro se to change counsel. Opening arguments began the next day.
• Per recent evidentiary hearings, Bryan Neumeister and his agents were working on the forensic copy on October 22, 2014. Martinez claimed that Incinerator 2.3 was used and destroyed 70K files. BN said that viruses were removed so that he could reverse engineer files/data.
• Defense files a motion to dismiss on 10/24. Again, there is no mention of findings on the laptop.
• The first motion to mention any of this was filed on 11/20/2014.

So what does this all tell us?

Firstly, it seems that Arias has been the driving force behind the computer issue. She fought hard for it while acting pro per. After having the hard drive copy for more than five weeks with no bombshell, she wanted new counsel. Somehow, she managed to get the DT focused on the issue, given that BN's team was working on it two days later. My belief at this time is she knew TA's laptop was heavily infected and that he had complained to her about it. She most likely knew there was based on what he told her. At this point, I do not believe that Travis intentionally accessed any child , or the defense would be crowing this from the mountain tops. The two sites they mentioned in the 11/20/14 motion were associated with a virus that was circulating in 2007-2008. I saw one diagnostic report for this virus and teen appeared 38 times in the report, so with a virus that constantly redirects to these sites, the term would produce a significant number of hits.

Secondly, this "" is not an aircraft carrier on the hard drive. Five weeks of review did not reveal it. I have to believe that the DT did have the drive reviewed prior to 10/22 with no significant findings. It was only after the copy was altered and reverse engineered that these findings cropped up. It is unclear if the DT was aware of the fact that all of the sites listed in the 11/20 motion were due to viruses, but the information was so easily researched and proven once the motion was made public.

It seems that Arias is hell bent for this information to go before the jury. How it will resonate with them remains to be seen. I remember how Martinez handled the pedo claims in his closing arguments during the first trial, saying there was no proof and she was trying to kill him yet again by destroying his good name. I expect we will hear the same thing again.

 

[Madeleine74]

She failed at getting the letters admitted, but is closer to getting the faux sites admitted, in the hope they buttress her claims about catching TA with child , which will no doubt morph into printouts from the computer , which leads back to the confessional letters. Which weren't admitted. Would they have made a difference? IMO there's room to think so.

But sites weren't entered during the guilt phase and confessional letters were ruled inadmissible after a handwriting expert said the writing didn't match Travis' and the state got them excluded.

 

[AZlawyer]

Thanks AZlawyer.

Regarding just the bolded point. The one thing I see Juan doing which is very good is he objects with what I feel are very valid objections and he gets no support from the judge on what I think are very valid objections.

Most of the ones I am referring to is when Juan objects about "no context" or "no basis" or something along those lines. When he does that I am thinking to myself....Yes perfect objection here and yet it seems his objections get denied and Nurmi is allowed to have his witness go off the deep end in totally unrelated topics of discussion that had no supporting justification.

I feel this is a huge reason the trial is taking so long when Nurmi has his witnesses on. If Juan would get more support when he does have valid objections, I feel it would help this trial a lot.

It seems to me that when he does try to bring about positive change to the terrible course this trial takes, he gets shot down and ignored. IMO the judge needs to carefully listen to what he says before she denies and rules against what he is saying.

All JMO of course.

In the guilt phase, when we could actually see what was happening, I saw JM make good objections and the judge granted them. In this phase, with "trial by tweet," most of the time we don't know the nature of the objection or the ruling. In the few cases when people have reported the ruling, it seems that JM's objections are often granted. But if he were indeed objecting for "no context" or "no basis" (which I think is unlikely), that would have to be denied because those aren't valid objections. Also, most evidentiary objections will be denied during the penalty phase just because the rules of evidence don't really apply during this phase. The defense in particular has a constitutional right to produce "inadmissible" evidence during the penalty phase if it has minimal "indicia of reliability."

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I suspect that she is going to testify to being a victim of a pedophile as a child. An adult male family member or family friend (possibly deceased so they will not have to get up and lie.

Unless her Dad is prepared to lie for her).

MOO

Respectfully Snipped/RBBM: That is what I think she testified to in that secret testimony ...

CMJA has NO mitigating factors, so she is starting with Page 1 of defense attorney JB's Opening Statement in the CA trial ...

Hey, it worked for CA so maybe it will work for her ... what does she have to lose not to try it at this point ?

Oh, and I think CMJA's parents have been "put on notice" -- just like George and Cindy were put on notice when JB dropped that bombshell in his opening.

:gaah: . . . :moo:

 

[WhoaIsMe]

And the ones yapping about witnesses' right to anonymity are probably the ones who have leaked this poor juror's name out to the public. One standard for JA & team and another for the rest of the world. That's how it's been from day one.

SW absolutely did. She alluded to the leaks about seeing JA testifying in secret through the crack in the door and said "that door swings both ways, doesn't it" As if it's some kind of payback. The richness of plastering Juror #3's picture and full name, being sarcastic toward her, Jen, Juan or anyone who isn't a Jodite, all in the defense of a murderer, about gagged me.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

She has folks to post wherever she wants her stuff. The blog is on her "art" sale website.

:seeya:

And speaking of her "art sale website" :

WHEN is the Son of Sam Law going to kick in for CMJA ?

Un-freakin-believable the special special extral special privileges CMJA receives ... un-freakin-believable !

:moo: