Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 2/13 thru 2/18 - Break

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  • #681
OMG ~ I wasn't AWARE that JA was the OWNER of PPL :lol:
She certainly embellished this. Another example of just how low how her self-esteem is.

Jodi Arias
Owner, Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.
Medford, Oregon AreaLegal Services

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jodi-arias/7/8a8/875



We also have this:


From whitepages.com

Jodi Arias
9634 E Nido Ave
Mesa, AZ 85209-2243
phone number unavailable
Job title: Owner
Company: J Fine Art & Photography



This is where she lived in Mesa:


http://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ido-Ave_Mesa_AZ_85209_M24390-84203?source=web
 
  • #682
April 9, 2008 Vol.5,P.81-83.

Re: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-2-13-thru-2-18-Break&p=11492335#post11492335
I also find her revised list of goals, Vol.5,P.81-83 rather interesting, particularly on her list of places, isn't #10 on one of the backroads between Mesa and SLC? Btw, the all caps is from her.

14. Places on the list:
1. Cooperstown
2. Hotel del Coronada
3. Death Valley
4. Mo Tab
5. Zion Nat. Park
6. Moab Desert
7. Oregon Coast
8. Shakespeare Festival
9. DC
10. LAKE POWELL!

THANK YOU!

I could hardly concentrate on work today. XXOO
 
  • #683
Not to mention the misspelling of 'Rockys'.

I could go along with Acfoto, it makes sense, it could also be a bad writing for Toltec - was she along on that trip? I forgot to look at the dates the others were taken when I was getting the modied dates.

I have seen pics with them both there.. or at least at some train station. Now to me, about the only pics where she doesn't look like she's been photoshopped into here are the ones with TA...though I suppose someone that's good at it can fake anything. https://myspace.com/jodiarias/mixes/classic-1000-places-to-see-before-you-die-471960/photo/202788978

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27308599@N07/2547017793/in/photostream/

Cumbres & Toltec RR

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  • #684
That is the first one that led me to believe she photoshopped most, if not all, of them.

See post 656 by LaLaw

I don't know if she was skilled or disciplined enough in Photoshop to do that kind of stuff. Getting those shadows across his face to look real is pretty hard, and judging by her "art" she's not that good at realism or that detail-oriented.

I do think though, that she photoshopped images of herself to enhance her looks because there could be no subject more interesting to her than herself and her image.
 
  • #685
I have seen pics with them both there.. or at least at some train station. Now to me, about the only pics where she doesn't look like she's been photoshopped into here are the ones with TA...though I suppose someone that's good at it can fake anything. https://myspace.com/jodiarias/mixes/classic-1000-places-to-see-before-you-die-471960/photo/202788978

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27308599@N07/2547017793/in/photostream/

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She was on the Balloon Fiesta trip as well, and that one was also modified on 11/04/07.

ETA: Just checked, the balloon pic was taken the next day, Oct. 14, 2007.

ETA#2: Totally missed your MySpace link, I'd never looked through her pics there, I can't believe she uploaded that last pic, taken after she killed Travis, oh the heartless you-know-what.
 
  • #686
Her score for psychopathic deviance was high. DeMarte simply did not diagnose JA with antisocial personality disorder with psychopathic tendencies, as she apparently did with Devault. A high score on the psychopathic deviance scale is not the same as a diagnosis of anything.

I can promise you that the diagnosis was not made but kept out as being too prejudicial. That's not what "prejudicial" means.
Then I have misunderstood this entire time what prejudicial means...because I can see nothing more detrimental to a person's case than calling them a psychopath.
I value your opinion and legal insight and would really appreciate further clarification.
 
  • #687
I don't know if she was skilled or disciplined enough in Photoshop to do that kind of stuff. Getting those shadows across his face to look real is pretty hard, and judging by her "art" she's not that good at realism or that detail-oriented.

I do think though, that she photoshopped images of herself to enhance her looks because there could be no subject more interesting to her than herself and her image.

The other day I was checking her hair and the background and trying to see if she shopped herself into any vacation pics. I checked quite a few of them and unless she is really good at it or had help, I could not see anything that was obvious.

Which surprised me if she went on so many trips with him.
 
  • #688
I have thought it could be Airfare(s), which someone mentioned on WS long, long ago...

I brought it up not too long ago, and I believe that was the general consensus as well.
 
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I went as far as trying to find her in 1 photo that she may have cut herself out of to use in another photo. I could not find an example of that happening.

It gets confusing trying to look at all the photos so I may have missed an example where she used herself from a photo.
 
  • #691
I went as far as trying to find her in 1 photo that she may have cut herself out of to use in another photo. I could not find an example of that happening.

It gets confusing trying to look at all the photos so I may have missed an example where she used herself from a photo.

Unless she just never posted the pics that she would have used... right?
 
  • #692
Unless she just never posted the pics that she would have used... right?

Right. If she did end up cutting herself from another photo to use in any of the Travis pics then she would most likely never post the original one.

I checked almost every vacation pic and concentrated on the hair line and background through the hair, and I was looking for anything obvious and didnt find anything that stood out.

I suppose if she had help and they did shop some, then they probably did the details like that.
 
  • #693
Just to clarify a few bits:

DeMarte testified DeVault was antisocial, not a psychopath. Whether or not they're one in the same is really a huge matter of debate. Psychopathy isn't recognized by the ICD or DSM V as a mental health disease or disorder. Dr. Robert Hare, the predominant authority on psychopathy, states while most psychopaths would test high for antisocial personality disorder, not all antisocials would or do test high for psychopathy.

I personally believe a psychopath to often be a blend of the recognized disorders. I 'see' evidence of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders in Jodi without a doubt - if I stretch, I can see how borderline fits in. I just think she's a lot less borderline than she is narcissistic. This is just my opinion based on personal experience. Undoubtedly, she's a psychopath - it's really just a question of what recognized disorders are at play that contribute to her psychopathy. (FTR, I don't believe DeVault is though she clearly is antisocial...or, rather, nothing near the level of psychopathy Jodi is at. Jodi is off the charts psychopathic.)

Psychopath deviate (as part of the MMPI scales) has nothing to do with psychopathy itself. It's basically a way of measuring how the patient responds to rules; their necessity for control, etc.

While the MMPI is based on self-reporting and could be skewed, I believe it's written in such a way that malingering would be evident, if memory serves. With all diagnoses of cluster B personality disorders, it's often a 'best fit' approach...cluster B's are very often comorbid which can make diagnosis difficult.

As I've stated, for so many reasons, I really hate that Jodi is being equated to someone 'just' borderline because, if she truly is just borderline, she's incredibly atypical.

JMO and FWIW

what about sociopath?
 
  • #694
The most interesting one to me is:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27308599@N07/2547017817/in/photostream/

Trav's Rockys

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Now isn't that interesting! Photos from 2005 when she did not even know him!
 
  • #695
Now isn't that interesting! Photos from 2005 when she did not even know him!
So why was she going in and editing his photos??? Rewriting history again? I had started to believe before the 2005 date was pointed out, that she was just filming her target.
 
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  • #697
Just to clarify a few bits:

DeMarte testified DeVault was antisocial, not a psychopath. Whether or not they're one in the same is really a huge matter of debate. Psychopathy isn't recognized by the ICD or DSM V as a mental health disease or disorder. Dr. Robert Hare, the predominant authority on psychopathy, states while most psychopaths would test high for antisocial personality disorder, not all antisocials would or do test high for psychopathy.

I personally believe a psychopath to often be a blend of the recognized disorders. I 'see' evidence of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders in Jodi without a doubt - if I stretch, I can see how borderline fits in. I just think she's a lot less borderline than she is narcissistic. This is just my opinion based on personal experience. Undoubtedly, she's a psychopath - it's really just a question of what recognized disorders are at play that contribute to her psychopathy. (FTR, I don't believe DeVault is though she clearly is antisocial...or, rather, nothing near the level of psychopathy Jodi is at. Jodi is off the charts psychopathic.)

Psychopath deviate (as part of the MMPI scales) has nothing to do with psychopathy itself. It's basically a way of measuring how the patient responds to rules; their necessity for control, etc.

While the MMPI is based on self-reporting and could be skewed, I believe it's written in such a way that malingering would be evident, if memory serves. With all diagnoses of cluster B personality disorders, it's often a 'best fit' approach...cluster B's are very often comorbid which can make diagnosis difficult.

As I've stated, for so many reasons, I really hate that Jodi is being equated to someone 'just' borderline because, if she truly is just borderline, she's incredibly atypical.

JMO and FWIW



The FBI profiler sees her much like you do Brits.
She really doesn't feel emotion but sees it in others and mimics it
Hugely overinflated sense of self
Need to control everything and everyone. She even wants to run the prison if sentenced to LWOP (she will be teaching Spanish and sign language and in charge of a huge recycling program!)

http://thelip.tv/episode/jodi-arias-pleads-for-life/
 
  • #698
Does anyone know anything about this?

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper · 19h19 hours ago
#JodiArias' retrial may be off til Wed. but enjoy show for now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsXWXkNR7k&list=UU0a7s9PLqwIDZLkjF4OpwOg …
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I thought we were back tomorrow?

I thought tomorrow was just arguing the latest motion to dismiss (you know, because JM flapped his arms while cross examining Geff :facepalm:) but Nurmi was unable to produce a witness until Wednesday. I could be wrong.
 
  • #699
what about sociopath?
Depends on whom you're asking. ;)

Some people use the terms sociopath and psychopath interchangeably. Some people prefer one to another. Some others believe psychopathy is genetic whereas a sociopath is born from environmental factors. There's a lot of kerfuffle within the psych community over these terms and their use - as much as antisocial v. psychopathy.

There is absolutely no diagnosis for sociopathy - even forensically, nor a test for it, but there are definitely esteemed psychologists who feel not only is there a distinct difference between the terms, but sociopathy is deserving of its own label.

I tend to stick to using just psychopathy as a label but for me there's varying levels of it - you've got 'good' psychopaths - one who literally can have you believing their reality, who get away with multiple crimes or scams, who are extremely adept at mimicking emotions and fitting in. And then you have the 'bad' ones like Jodi - chaotic, sloppy, insincere, transparent, who don't really ever fit in, can't lie her way out of a paper bag and sets our nerves on edge just to look at her. I like to keep it simple. :)

Here's a psychology today article describing one psych's view of psychopathy vs. sociopathy. Jodi wouldn't fit neatly into either category using his descriptions but you can find a ton more googling too if anyone's interested. It really is just a matter of opinion for a great many. HTH

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
 
  • #700
Reading different opinions about whether or not pursuing the DP is right (or even a good idea), made me curious about Wendi Andriano.

According to her Wikipedia page (I'm condensing things here), she was sentenced to death in 2004, so she's now been on death row for over 10 years. She's already had her direct appeal which went nowhere, and in 2012 filed another appeal which looks unlikely to be heard by the AZ Supremes. After that she has a shot at another appeal in federal court, and after THAT it would go to the 9th Circuit.

Thus far, it seems to me that most of this has happened with little fanfare or media attention.

So it sounds like it will be several more years until Andriano gets to the point where her sentence would be changed to LWOP (if the 9th Circuit keeps trending the way it has in recent past). 15 - 20 years in solitary before being given LWOP is far worse than having LWOP as the initial sentence. I think the Alexanders understand these nuances, and that's why they favor the DP for Jodi.

BTW, I am not attached to either outcome, whether DP or LWOP. I'll be okay with whatever the jury sees fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Andriano
 
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