Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[newone]

Just a wee bit more on the issue of authority or permission to fly that day.

"We will also investigate the party that gave permission to AirAsia to fly on that day," Muratmodjo added.

Indonesia AirAsia CEO Sunu Widyatmoko told the company would cooperate with the investigation into the Surabaya-Singapore route, but declined to answer further questions."

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...t-schedules-after-crash/article1-1302910.aspx


bbm: it will be interesting to see if it stops with just this carrier or if it is prevalent in that region (wink wink)

 

[SouthAussie]

At the very least, the pilot, co-pilot and samples of the passengers will undergo autopsies.


BBM: I imagine that they have chosen their samples very carefully. Perhaps a passenger from each section of the plane, a passenger from each crucial area of the plane, a passenger from every fifth row - or whatever distance is considered proper to ascertain if an explosive device was used.

Most scientific and forensic investigations are based on samples. It appears to be very important to not inflict more pain and grief on the families who are opposed to autopsies. It may be that for reasons such as these Interpol have agreed.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just a wee bit more on the issue of authority or permission to fly that day.

"We will also investigate the party that gave permission to AirAsia to fly on that day," Muratmodjo added.

Indonesia AirAsia CEO Sunu Widyatmoko told the company would cooperate with the investigation into the Surabaya-Singapore route, but declined to answer further questions."

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...t-schedules-after-crash/article1-1302910.aspx


bbm: it will be interesting to see if it stops with just this carrier or if it is prevalent in that region (wink wink)

I'm struggling to understand why they had a quota of people that they could fly to Singapore in the first place, it seems that they were going for vacations.

... but the number of slots was cut for the period Oct. 26 to March 28 because the country was nearing its quota for flying people to Singapore ...
(From Elley Mae's post #347)

 

[newone]

I'm struggling to understand why they had a quota of people that they could fly to Singapore in the first place, it seems that they were going for vacations.

... but the number of slots was cut for the period Oct. 26 to March 28 because the country was nearing its quota for flying people to Singapore ...
(From Elley Mae's post #347)

Just a wild guess on my part, but could it be it has to do with competition with Singaporean airlines interests/regulations?

 

[Tssiemer]

Population issues?


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[emirates1957]

1.30PM: 12 bodies are leaving Pangkalan Bun for Surabaya - eight were flown in today, four from yesterday. Nine of the bodies are male, three female.

1.25PM: The health minister in Surabaya told a news conference at the crisis centre that forensics teams from across Indonesia are trying to identify the bodies retrieved so far from QZ8501,
but only some are undergoing autopsies as some families have declined, citing religious or cultural reasons.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

I do not understand why this is being allowed.
What if some of those not undergoing autopsies were alive and drowned later?
Or what if one of them has been burned from a bomb?
What if we don't know that because they don't have autopsies?

Finding the cause of an aviation accident has the potential to save thousands of lives.
It is unbelievable to me that they are jeopardizing that by not doing autopsies.

When someone is murdered their family doesn't get to decline an autopsy!
The same should apply here. It should be treated as a homicide until proven otherwise.
It could even jeopardize civil proceedings later, if they can't prove how the victim died!

I am all for respecting people's religions, but thousands of lives could be in jeopardy here.
The safety of everyone else flying on the A320 should take priority over the religious beliefs of passengers. :twocents:

I have no idea about the legality of autopsies….I would have thought that it would be mandatory in a situation like this. Given the fact the we do not have the transcript from the black box and assuming this was a weather event. Having a better idea of passenger impact from an autopsy would assist the future of aviation safety.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Another translated article about divers going out today.

Sunday, January 4th, 2015 | 6:00 pm



Today 89 Divers Find Body AirAsia QZ8501

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - The National Search and Rescue Agency deployed 86 divers in search operations AirAsia QZ8501 that crashed around Tanjung Pandan. Basarnas head, Marshal Henry Bambang Soelistyo, said a team of divers will be deployed at the site of the discovery of four major parts Airbus A320-200.

"Hopefully we have hope, the weather was quite friendly. Teams of divers can diterjukan," said Soelistyo in office, Kemayoran, Central Jakarta, Saturday, January 3, 2015. According to Soelistyo, KRI Banda Aceh closer to the point of discovery of the wreckage to carry 47 divers. (Read: Explanation Jonan Problem rap Air Asia)

In addition, the ship was also carrying 8 Pause Ocean diver. Plus KN Purworejo carrying 12 divers and 22 people from the Russian team. (Read: Search AirAsia, Total Body Aircraft Debris Found 4)

Regarding the weather today, said Soelistyo, wave heights estimated at only 1.5 to 2 meters. Though usually high waves reaching 3 to 5 meters. Therefore, Soelistyo hoping to get better results in the search this time. "Hopefully passengers soon discovered," he said. (Read: Similar AirAsia Garuda Arriving at the River)

http://www.tempo.co/read/news/2015/...501?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


Hope the weather is better today too!

 

[newone]

I'm struggling to understand why they had a quota of people that they could fly to Singapore in the first place, it seems that they were going for vacations.

... but the number of slots was cut for the period Oct. 26 to March 28 because the country was nearing its quota for flying people to Singapore ...
(From Elley Mae's post #347)

some issues are addressed in this article about ''open skies'' and new policies to take place 2015

http://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/2015/01/02/asean-open-skies-policy-implemented-2015.html

ASEAN agreements etc.

"If ASEAN-SAM is successfully implemented, there will be no regulatory limits on the frequency or capacity of flights between international airports across the 10 ASEAN member countries. Tellingly, not included in the current agreement are steps towards opening up ASEAN aviation to common ownership, in a market still very much populated by state-owned airlines.''

- See more at: http://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/2...cy-implemented-2015.html#sthash.Pmio4HkG.dpuf

 

[Dr. Know?]

For a couple of days there's been articles that I translated that were hard to understand in regards to the Co Pilot and getting DNA from his family members. This article is a little more clear.

QZ8501: Indonesian Police, Interpol Cooperation Find Family Co-PilotSolemn family needed to get the data antemortem to be fitted with a corpse prey fateful encounter.

Remi known from the Caribbean Islands, but his family no longer lived there, cause hardship to contact them.

http://www.sayangsabah.com/qz8501-polis-indonesia-interpol-kerjasama-cari-keluarga-co-pilot/

Also found this article about him from Sept. 2013.

Updated September 18, 2013, 11:01 a.m. ET

FAA recognizes Remi Emmanuel Plesel

Paris-based pilot sets positive example

http://aviation-business-gazette.com/A38/B59/Pilot-Remi-Emmanuel-Plesel-Paris-.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

BASE BUN, KOMPAS.com - A total of 57 divers in KRI Banda Aceh finally down to dive into the crash site QZ8501 AirAsia, in the Strait of Karimata, Pangkalan Bun, Central Kalimantan, Sunday (04/01/2015) morning. Teams of divers began to make preparations from 04.30 pm.

Final briefing before going down to the ocean floor, also re-done for technical diving and discuss the current state estimates in the water. Estimated depth of 30-40 meters, visibility 1-2 meters, flow 2-3 knots, and wave height 2-3 meters. The basic condition is thought to be mud.

The weather at the location this morning monitored cloudy with light rain. This dive has been trying to do since Friday

Translated from link

http://linkis.com/nasional.kompas.com/Pshnk

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yay, day 8 Channel News Asia is awake to update in English.

8AM: Recap of what happened on Saturday - Indonesia's search and rescue agency BASARNAS confirmed that 30 bodies have been recovered, with six identified. Weather in the search and rescue area for Sunday (Jan 4) is expected to be much better, which should aid in the recovery process.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1566508.html

 

[Bravo]

At the very least, the pilot, co-pilot and samples of the passengers will undergo autopsies.


BBM: I imagine that they have chosen their samples very carefully. Perhaps a passenger from each section of the plane, a passenger from each crucial area of the plane, a passenger from every fifth row - or whatever distance is considered proper to ascertain if an explosive device was used.

Most scientific and forensic investigations are based on samples. It appears to be very important to not inflict more pain and grief on the families who are opposed to autopsies. It may be that for reasons such as these Interpol have agreed.

Thanks for the clarification. Then I change my opine. I'm good with this process.

 

[Bravo]

I hesitated today to post this Interview with a Diver. Yet I feel it important to acknowledge how tough their job is when recovering a body or multiple's. It was CNN so I cant provide a link. Anyhoo he stated 80 minutes was the max. time per Diver. The worst part he said was "When you bump into a dead bloated body" (his words) How do we deal? We keep telling ourselves we are doing this for the surviving Family. I cant imagine (my words) Thankfully somebody can do this job. A recovery of this magnitude has to be mind bending!!!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Abdul Aziz Jaafar
‏@ChiefofNavy #QZ8501 Day8: Kelihatan LKR sedang mencari. Ketinggian ombak 2 meter. Visibility 5 bn dan kelajuan angin 20-30 knots.

translation

QZ8501 Day8: Looks LKR are looking for. Wave height of 2 meters. 5 bn visibility and wind speed of 20-30 knots.

 

[Dr. Know?]

TODAY ‏@TODAYonline · 7m7 minutes ago
#QZ8501: Map showing new sectors for search & allocation of assets in day 8: @ChiefofNavy



https://twitter.com/TODAYonline/status/551539956108103680

 

[emirates1957]

My thing with it was the way CNN just rolled over moms allegation regarding NTSB. Dont you mess with my NTSB! IN the investigtaion they found that on and off throughout thier checklist that chit and chatted. NTSB reported that fact. THe sterile rule ( not talking non pertinent under 10000 ) is broke all the time - not on and off directly during a checklist where you need to remember where you are.


Chatting while your climbing to cruise, although violating sterile cocpit , IMO is far different than right in themiddle of a checklist.

Wife claimed they looked at nothing else - that is why i posted the findings. THe report is 200 and some pages, obviously NTSB did not just go for the pitlots. THey never just go for something- that is why i think they are so asaazing especially in currupt govt these days.

I remember working with a different airline…many years ago in cruise the CAPT and F/O decided to put silver heat protection blinds (similar to the ones you use in your car) …. the reason being so they would eliminate glare while watching a youtube video on their iPad. F/A entered the F/D and was gobsmacked …..she reported them and they got the boot. And rightfully so.

 

[newone]

I remember working with a different airline…many years ago in cruise the CAPT and F/O decided to put silver heat protection blinds (similar to the ones you use in your car) …. the reason being so they would eliminate glare while watching a youtube video on their iPad. F/A entered the F/D and was gobsmacked …..she reported them and they got the boot. And rightfully so.

:what::shocked2:

 

[Bravo]

Kinda like a Nurse drawing up a syringe while conversing with another Nurse about her social life. Or watching a movie while preparing a med. Instead of the 0.5mg. I get 50mg. of something. I die. Attention to detail people where it may cost a life! Protocols are in place for a reason.

 

[Hatfield]

Catching up and so glad they are locating some large chunks now and have no doubt marked the GPS locations of those chunks. Since the large chunks on the bottom are not likely to move with the water current, I think we are almost safe to say that they have basically found the location of where most of the plane and most of the bodies will be. Other chunks will not be too far away I dont think.

Its just a matter of time now to be able to begin to send divers down to retrieve the rest of the people and find every last one of them.

The one thing I am surprised about is I dont see mention of anyone hearing the pingers from the black box although I still have a couple of pages of posts to review so maybe i missed it.
The bodies are most important of course but I would have thought they could have located the pinger noise by now. The batteries on the black boxes will run out after about 30-45 days so there is a time deadline to hear the pingers.

With the MH370 and now this plane, I am not too impressed with the pingers on the black boxes. It seems instead of pingers, they need like a small rocket that would shoot up out of the box and spread smoke, red dye, and notes that say "LOOK HERE".

 

[Bravo]

Catching up and so glad they are locating some large chunks now and have no doubt marked the GPS locations of those chunks. Since the large chunks on the bottom are not likely to move with the water current, I think we are almost safe to say that they have basically found the location of where most of the plane and most of the bodies will be. Other chunks will not be too far away I dont think.

Its just a matter of time now to be able to begin to send divers down to retrieve the rest of the people and find every last one of them.

The one thing I am surprised about is I dont see mention of anyone hearing the pingers from the black box although I still have a couple of pages of posts to review so maybe i missed it.
The bodies are most important of course but I would have thought they could have located the pinger noise by now. The batteries on the black boxes will run out after about 30-45 days so there is a time deadline to hear the pingers.

With the MH370 and now this plane, I am not too impressed with the pingers on the black boxes. It seems instead of pingers, they need like a small rocket that would shoot up out of the box and spread smoke, red dye, and notes that say "LOOK HERE".

Agree. I have not read anything to date about hearing any pings. Now I either heard it or read it (not verbatim) something about so many vessels in the area may be hampering anyone hearing the pings. Something of that nature. Anyone?