Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[SouthAussie]

In a leaked document that was originally sent by Indonesia's Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics Agency (BMKG) to Transportation Minister Ignatius Jonan on Wednesday, an AirAsia flight operations officer (FOO) received the required report from BMKG only after the plane lost contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 6:17 am.

"AirAsia took the [BMKG]weather report at 7 am," on Dec 28, BMKG head Andi E. Sakya said.

The plane had departed from Surabaya's Juanda International Airport at 5:35 am. Former National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) investigator Ruth Hanna Simatupang said that pilots were required to obtain weather reports from the BMKG at least 10 minutes before takeoff.

"According to standard procedures, every time pilots chart flight plans, they must consider [BMKG]weather reports," she said. "So how could the plane fly without a weather report from the agency?"

Jonan reportedly expressed anger after learning some AirAsia Indonesia pilots had not been directly briefed by the FOO on weather conditions.

The minister was said to have been disappointed with a statement from AirAsia officials that said pilots could download information from the BMKG's website.

"You should abide by the regulation. Don't even try to break the rules. I can revoke your licence," Jonan said.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...red-weather-report-takeo#sthash.Rn2outRI.dpuf

 

[SouthAussie]

And there is more about the permit to fly on Sunday ....


Hanna said that AirAsia Indonesia might have obtained a licence to fly outside its regular schedule, considering the high demand for year-end travel.

"There must have been a new licence proposed by AirAsia to the ministry. We must check how it could obtain such a permit and what did it take to get it?" Hanna said.

The Transportation Ministry's acting director-general for air transportation, Djoko Murjatmodjo, said on Saturday the ministry would investigate any irregularities.

"We know (someone) must have given the permit. We're looking into the who and why," he said, adding that those responsible for possible violations might be suspended.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...red-weather-report-takeo#sthash.Rn2outRI.dpuf

 

[Hatfield]

:floorlaugh: I had my trusty wine-a-roo but it went flying outta my cup!

OT
My most intense flight was not scary till much later when I realized what actually happened.
We had been at cruising altitude for awhile and I was sitting toward the back looking down the isle and I noticed the plane began to do a sharp banking left turn. The pilot was really good and he did it gradually and nobody on the plane even realized the plane was banking to the left. The only reason I noticed it was I was toward the very back and as I was looking down the isle I also had my right eye peripheal vision out the window and could see the ground disappear and turn to all sky. After a very short time, the pilot flattened out again and everything was normal.

I then was looking out the window and I noticed another plane quickly pass our plane underneath and off to the right at a super fast speed. It wasnt that close but at that 30 thousand feet, you dont expect to even see another plane out the window.

I then thought back to the steep banking left turn that happened about a minute before the passing of the other plane and I put 2+2 together and realized the pilot had basically done an evasive maneuver to avoid the approaching plane. It probably wasn't considered a near miss or anything but it did get me pretty worked up when I realized what had happened.

I was looking out the window watching for other planes the whole rest of the flight. As if I really could have done anything to help if I would have spotted one. Like maybe yell out to the captain to watch out for the green plane on your right.

 

[newone]

OT
My most intense flight was not scary till much later when I realized what actually happened.
We had been at cruising altitude for awhile and I was sitting toward the back looking down the isle and I noticed the plane began to do a sharp banking left turn. The pilot was really good and he did it gradually and nobody on the plane even realized the plane was banking to the left. The only reason I noticed it was I was toward the very back and as I was looking down the isle I also had my right eye peripheal vision out the window and could see the ground disappear and turn to all sky. After a very short time, the pilot flattened out again and everything was normal.

I then was looking out the window and I noticed another plane quickly pass our plane underneath and off to the right at a super fast speed. It wasnt that close but at that 30 thousand feet, you dont expect to even see another plane out the window.

I then thought back to the steep banking left turn that happened about a minute before the passing of the other plane and I put 2+2 together and realized the pilot had basically done an evasive maneuver to avoid the approaching plane. It probably wasn't considered a near miss or anything but it did get me pretty worked up when I realized what had happened.

I was looking out the window watching for other planes the whole rest of the flight. As if I really could have done anything to help if I would have spotted one. Like maybe yell out to the captain to watch out for the green plane on your right.

wow....I would need a ''wardrobe change'' after that!

 

[newone]

I'm pretty sure they are two separate items. The slide was found several days ago and the raft was found this morning.


ETA: Yes, two different items. The raft was found this morning and measures 6 x 3 meters. It's being sent to the Indonesian authorities.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/airasia-qz8501-another/1566678.html

that photo shows that the life raft was inflated!.......someone had to do that....

thanks

 

[SouthAussie]

that photo shows that the life raft was inflated!.......someone had to do that....

thanks

Why is that life raft a light colour? Aren't they supposed to be a bright see-able colour?

 

[SouthAussie]

4.42PM: Four bodies were recovered today - three by USS Sampson, and one by Singapore's RSS Persistence. This means the total number of bodies retrieved is now 34.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1566508.html


Passengers panicked when the engine of an AirAsia plane failed just before it took off from the Juanda, Surabaya International Airport on Saturday (Jan 3), local news media reported on Sunday. The plane's engine had died after two to three metres of taxiing before a take-off.
The incident created panic among 120 passengers, reported Indonesia-based Metrotvnews.com.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/airasia-flight-s-engine/1566980.html

 

[newone]

Why is that life raft a light colour? Aren't they supposed to be a bright see-able colour?

my meager understanding is yes and they usually have an automatic EPIRB (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon) as well......

 

[SouthAussie]

And doesn't this life jacket they found look inflated?

2.14PM: An adult life jacket and three personal items believed to be from the wreckage of AirAsia flight QZ8501 picked up by the crew of the RSS Valour, was brought on board the MV Swift Rescue on Sunday at 1.15am.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1566508.html

 

[Snoods]

Hahaha .... I think you should write a book, emirates. Call it something like Funny Things That Have Happened On The Way To Your Destination. I'll buy a copy for me, and more for Xmas pressies for family and friends.

.

Count me in, I'd buy it! I'm putting in my request for a signed copy in advance!

 

[newone]

And doesn't this life jacket they found look inflated?

2.14PM: An adult life jacket and three personal items believed to be from the wreckage of AirAsia flight QZ8501 picked up by the crew of the RSS Valour, was brought on board the MV Swift Rescue on Sunday at 1.15am.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1566508.html

the black straps are supposed to go around a person and the red when you tug inflates (IIRC).....looks like it could have been possibly tugged first:tears: sad to say .....

 

[newone]

4.42PM: Four bodies were recovered today - three by USS Sampson, and one by Singapore's RSS Persistence. This means the total number of bodies retrieved is now 34.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1566508.html


Passengers panicked when the engine of an AirAsia plane failed just before it took off from the Juanda, Surabaya International Airport on Saturday (Jan 3), local news media reported on Sunday. The plane's engine had died after two to three metres of taxiing before a take-off.
The incident created panic among 120 passengers, reported Indonesia-based Metrotvnews.com.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/airasia-flight-s-engine/1566980.html

from your link:

"He said despite attending to the problem and announcing that the flight will continue, almost 90 per cent of passengers decided not to board for fear that the same problem may recur mid-air. Yusuf said AirAsia authorities then refunded the money to passengers who decided not to fly.'"

the plane ''failed'' after only 3 meters down the runway.....hmmm....can't blame the folks for wanting a refund

 

[Snoods]

the black straps are supposed to go around a person and the red when you tug inflates (IIRC).....looks like it was tugged first:tears: sad to say .....

Arrgh..with all these inflatable rescue devices floating all about (that need to be deployed) it does seem as if there may have been a few survivors, doesn't it?

I wouldn't have thought so with the plane in so many pieces, but after watching that CNN special Sole Survivor the other night I believe anything is possible.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ongko Gunawan, who lost his sister and brother-in-law and their child, expressed impatience as he waited for news.

“We are exhausted and sick of it. Hopefully we can find the bodies quickly, now that there’s also help from the foreign countries,” he said.

http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/search-rescue-finds-big-parts-crashed-airasia-plane/

 

[newone]

Arrgh..with all these inflatable rescue devices floating all about (that need to be deployed) it does seem as if there may have been a few survivors, doesn't it?

I wouldn't have thought so with the plane in so many pieces, but after watching that CNN special Sole Survivor the other night I believe anything is possible.

I am suddenly getting nasty scenes from the movie ""Catch 22"" playing through my head right now.

 

[LaborDayRN]

that photo shows that the life raft was inflated!.......someone had to do that....

thanks

This makes me incredibly sad...........

 

[SouthAussie]

A BBC crew has filmed what appears to be debris from missing AirAsia flight QZ8501.

From video at link
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30670991

 

[newone]

This makes me incredibly sad...........

me too ..... the infrastructure failed those poor passengers....

 

[SouthAussie]

me too ..... the infrastructure failed those poor passengers....

That is a very kind way to say all of the thoughts that are swirling around my mind. I just find it incredible that BBC is able to fly over and film debris, and yet .....

 

[newone]

That is a very kind way to say all of the thoughts that are swirling around my mind. I just find it incredible that BBC is able to fly over and film debris, and yet .....

thank you.....I agree re media choppers! Coming from a part of the globe where our SAR fights much more adverse conditions...have been sitting on my hands and thank goodness there's no microphone to record my ''opinions'' KWIM