Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[SouthAussie]

That doesn't look mangled to me either, ive seen plenty of plane crash wreckage pictures, and that looks fairly intact, except for what I'm guessing is the bottom part, where your butt sits ( and well of course it not being attached to the plane anymore) That's the bottom part of the seat missing right? Is that the part that floats? (Never been near a plane lol)

Yes, just looks like the base of the seat is missing ... and it does look very waterlogged ... and, of course, bolts torn away from the plane.

 

[newone]

That doesn't look mangled to me either, ive seen plenty of plane crash wreckage pictures, and that looks fairly intact, except for what I'm guessing is the bottom part, where your butt sits ( and well of course it not being attached to the plane anymore) That's the bottom part of the seat missing right? Is that the part that floats? (Never been near a plane lol)

Yes, just looks like the base of the seat is missing ... and it does look very waterlogged ... and, of course, bolts torn away from the plane.

that's what I understood the seat is a flotation device too! ........:thinking:

 

[newone]

I cannot say the words national pride enough. Speaking of the investigative party.

and the whole world is watching.................

 

[winterrayne]

Do you think that piece was floating?? It looks to heavy to float, but i know something as heavy as a plane can stay afloat for a while and you wouldn't think it could, so maybe it was ...water is wierd :waitasec: It just looks like a piece that would be found underwater.

 

[newone]

Do you think that piece was floating?? It looks to heavy to float, but i know something as heavy as a plane can stay afloat for a while and you wouldn't think it could, so maybe it was ...water is wierd :waitasec: It just looks like a piece that would be found underwater.

1. not all the seats were occupied -there was a party of 10 that didn't make the flight
2. that piece may have broken free if plane ''fractured'' upon impacting the water
3. bottom seat piece missing that ''could be used as flotation device by a living passenger''

those are my 3 impressions of that piece that was shown in the photo

 

[Snoods]

Here is a different view of the seat.



And airbus a320 seats for comparison.

 

[winterrayne]

Wheres the post i just saw, i was going to reply. Am i losing my mind:cuckoo: i might be, it's almost 6 am and to busy reading this stuff to goto bed. Anyway....
Something about bodies being found strapped into seats. I was wondering if that was the 3 they found already, or if you all thought it was additional ones. Or the thought i just had, was some of those 3 bodies found in the seats we just saw and were talking about.

 

[newone]

Wheres the post i just saw, i was going to reply. Am i losing my mind:cuckoo: i might be, it's almost 6 am and to busy reading this stuff to goto bed. Anyway....
Something about bodies being found strapped into seats. I was wondering if that was the 3 they found already, or if you all thought it was additional ones. Or the thought i just had, was some of those 3 bodies found in the seats we just saw and were talking about.

They haven't given us too much information. We never did see bodies that were strapped to seats nor the seats .... given that there were bodies floating free of the aircraft the seats that were shown in the photos could have easily belonged to them (sad to say) and that the cushions (seat) may have been held by the deceased....MOO & SWAG on my part.

 

[SouthAussie]

Wheres the post i just saw, i was going to reply. Am i losing my mind:cuckoo: i might be, it's almost 6 am and to busy reading this stuff to goto bed. Anyway....
Something about bodies being found strapped into seats. I was wondering if that was the 3 they found already, or if you all thought it was additional ones. Or the thought i just had, was some of those 3 bodies found in the seats we just saw and were talking about.

I'm sorry winterrayne .. that was me. I put the post up, then I thought nah. Here is the info I posted ...


The Indonesian navy has found bodies still strapped in their seats and debris resembling parts of the tail, Colonel Yayan Sofyan said in an interview on Metro TV.

The fact that some of the bodies were recovered wearing seat belts suggests the plane may have suffered an aerodynamic stall ....

Infrared data from a weather satellite showed that temperatures in the clusters Flight 8501 went through were as low as minus 85 degrees Celsius (minus 121 degrees Fahrenheit), “meaning there were droplets of ice inside the clouds,” the report said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-...by-weather-as-hunt-for-black-box-goes-on.html

 

[newone]

end of search day as it is now past 6 pm and daylight ends......looking forward to good announcements tomorrow.........

 

[winterrayne]

Thank you southaussie, i thought i was going mad lol. Hopefully they find some more today. Even though its 6am when most people get up, it's time for me tofftobed::bed:

 

[winterrayne]

7PM: The three bodies that were retrieved today were found trapped in seats, according to BASARNAS. Director of Operations Suyadi Bambang Supriyadi said in a press conference that the bodies would have sunk had they not been buckled to the seats. (Me: but other bodies were found floating?)

Airplane seats recovered from the search were found in pieces, possibly indicating that the AirAsia plane had crashed from a high altitude, he added.

Harsh weather continued to hamper search operations today, with winds at 20 to 30 knots, rough water conditions and zero visibility. Divers had to call off an underwater search.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1567976.html

 

[SouthAussie]

PANGKALAN BUN, Indonesia — Indonesia transportation ministry revealed stringent measures Monday against everyone who allowed AirAsia Flight 8501 to take off without proper permits — including the suspension of the airport's operator and officials in the control tower.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ai...indonesia-cracks-down-aviation-sector-n279661


Officials in the control tower?

 

[Peliman]

Morning Everyone,

Buoy conditions and forecast seem to be changing for the better, green marine conditions showing for 2 days. Hopefully we'll get some results.

Tuesday 1/6
Morning
Light winds with a slight chop. Small short period wind waves.
Seas: WSW 0.8 to 1 meters at 5 seconds.
Winds: WNW 10 to 14 knots.

Afternoon
Breezy whitecapping conditions with moderate choppy seas. Small short period wind waves.
Seas: WSW 0.8 to 1.1 meters at 5 seconds.
Winds: W 11 to 14 knots.


Wednesday 1/7
Morning
Light winds with a slight chop. Small short period wind waves.
Seas: WSW 0.8 to 1.1 meters at 5 seconds.
Winds: W 10 to 13 knots.

Afternoon
Light winds with a slight chop. Small short period wind waves.
Seas: WSW 0.7 to 1 meters at 5 seconds.
Winds: WNW 9 to 12 knots.


My scariest flight was on a military helicopter when someone asked the pilot if he knew how to fly this thing. LOL

 

[skibaboo]

I'm confused too.

And if it is a life raft, why is it not a bright colour? Do you know, emirates?

How are they supposed to easily spot a white/grey raft in water? :waitasec:

(Just to elaborate, and you may not know, what I mean is why are the slides white/grey? If they can be also used as a life raft.)

FWIW I watched a movie last night called 'Left Behind' with Nic Cage. It was pretty cheesy but it had a plane in it that crash landed on a highway, and when they deployed the emergency chute/slide for the passengers to slide down I actually shouted out loud to my husband because it looked EXACTLY like the slide/raft in the photo we have seen.

 

[SouthAussie]

Monday
9.55PM: Singapore’s MV Swift Rescue launched a Remotely Operated Vehicle in a new search sector today, surveying an area where the fifth aircraft part from QZ8501 is believed to be located. Although conditions on the surface was better than previous days, strong currents beneath the surface meant visibility underwater was less than a metre.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1567976.html

 

[Bravo]

BBM :gasp: Oh my gosh, you poor thing! :winner:

Here's your prizes for winning 1st place for the worst flight ever: :goldcrown: and a :cupcake:

Thank You I shall wear and eat proudly LOL

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hrough-selfie-taken-aboard-doomed-flight.html

The family of a victim of the AirAsia crash learnt of their loved one’s fate after being sent a “selfie” he had taken on board the doomed flight...

Yunita Syawal, who had already heard news of the flight’s disappearance when she was sent the image of her brother, had not known he was due to fly that day. But a call to her parents confirmed her worst fears.

“I immediately flew to Surabaya,” she said. Six days later, she helped to identify his body.

 

[CARIIS]

I dotn know guys. Starting to have some real concerns as it rleates to the recorders. THe aircraft, in therms of airliners is new, the water is not deep, and they proclaim they have a pretty good idea where the main debris feild is. Ships are out 24 7 it is concerning the pingers for the recorders - nothing.

With all the confliciting info, I supposed, expecially if we are talking in flight event that the black boxes could be miles and milea from where they are , been damaged, or possibly if the boxes seperated a free fell look at how the pingers are attached:

lordy without the boxes on this one we are really messed.

Some of the stuff about weather briefing ,or lack of one is pretty hard to imagine, espxecially with the weather that region had been having the previous three weeks. Then I thought heck they probably used their cell phones predeaparture. But this notion that a 22 year vet is just gonna take to the skies with no curosity is kind of far fetched,

next post:

 

[CARIIS]

IN addition, early on, I posted it, cause it struck me as wow he must really thing he may need more than one alternative airport. His fuel load was almost double what was intial needs for regular segment. That struck me as super odd - mamagement is not ok with that money ==costs money to carry fuel. He had 40% above - thats high - very high


Flight planning requires accurate weather forecasts so that fuel consumption calculations can account for the fuel consumption effects of head or tail winds and air temperature. Safety regulations require aircraft to carry fuel beyond the minimum needed to fly from origin to destination, allowing for unforeseen circumstances or for diversion to another airport if the planned destination becomes unavailable

Some commercial airlines have their own internal flight planning system, while others employ the services of external planners.

The air temperature affects the efficiency/fuel consumption of aircraft engines. The wind may provide a head- or tailwind component, which in turn will increase or decrease the fuel consumption by increasing or decreasing the air distance to be flown.

Commercial airlines generally wish to keep the cost of a flight as low as possible. There are three main factors that contribute to the cost:

• the amount of fuel needed (to complicate matters, fuel may cost different amounts at different airports),
• actual flying time affects depreciation charges, maintenance schedules, and the like,
• overflight charges are levied by each country the aircraft flies over (notionally to cover air traffic control costs).

Different airlines have different views as to what constitutes a least-cost flight:

• least cost based only on time
• least cost based only on fuel
• least cost based on a balance between fuel and time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia_Flight_8501

Where is a nuclear sub when you need one?