Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[SouthAussie]

SURABAYA, Indonesia — Radar data being examined by investigators appeared to show that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed, possibly pushing it beyond the Airbus A320’s limits, said a source familiar with the probe’s initial findings.

The data was transmitted before the aircraft disappeared from the screens of air traffic controllers in Jakarta on Sunday ... "So far the numbers taken by the radar are unbelievably high. This rate of climb is very high, too high. It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said.

The preliminary findings sharpen the focus on the role bad weather and the crew’s reaction to storms and clouds in the area ....

http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/asia/...-steep-climb-before-airasia-crash-says-source

 

[skibaboo]

Data point to 'unbelievably' steep climb before AirAsia crash: source

(Reuters) - Radar data being examined by investigators appeared to show that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed, possibly pushing it beyond the Airbus A320's limits, said a source familiar with the probe's initial findings.

The data was transmitted before the aircraft disappeared from the screens of air traffic controllers in Jakarta on Sunday, added the source, who declined to be identified.

"So far, the numbers taken by the radar are unbelievably high. This rate of climb is very high, too high. It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said.

 

[SouthAussie]

No victim from crashed AirAsia plane was wearing life jacket: Official

"There is no victim that has been found wearing a life jacket," said Tatang Zaenudin, deputy head of operations at the national search and rescue agency.

"We found a body at 8.20 a.m. and a life jacket at 10.32 am so there was a time difference. This is the latest information we have," he added.

The same official told Reuters earlier that one of the recovered bodies had been wearing a life jacket.

Oh my goodness ... they are spinning my head ... there was a life jacketed person, there wasn't a life jacketed person, an article I posted above said there were several life jacketed people, there were 6 people, there were 7 people, there were 7 plus 40 people.

With so many different people and different nations working at the scene, the information is just flying. But at the end of the day(s) the info should all come together. :crossfingers:

 

[skibaboo]

Oh my goodness ... they are spinning my head ... there was a life jacketed person, there wasn't a life jacketed person, an article I posted above said there were several life jacketed people, there were 6 people, there were 7 people, there were 7 plus 40 people.

With so many different people and different nations working at the scene, the information is just flying. But at the end of the day(s) the info should all come together. :crossfingers:

I know, my head is spinning too! Yahoo news have the NO life jacket story now

 

[SouthAussie]

Victims died three days ago, according to preliminary report.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/12/31/Airasia-victims-dead-3-days/

 

[SouthAussie]

The CEO of AirAsia, Tony Fernandes has announced that the main wreckage of flight QZ8501 has not been found and there was no sonar image of the plane.

Initial reports said sonar images showed the plane was sitting upside down on the sea bed.

He also would not confirm or deny reports of bodies being discovered with life jackets, stating it was speculation at a news conference at Surabaya airport.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/airasia-qz...onfirms-main-wreckage-still-not-found-1481438

 

[Dr. Know?]

AirLive.net
‏@airlivenet ALERT #QZ8501’s evacuation chute, 3 bodies found by Malaysia search team, according to @mykamarul

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/550304762886098944

FOX 13 NOW ‏@fox13now · 25m25 minutes ago
Bad weather hinders search for AirAsia Flight QZ8501; 10 bodies recovered http://go.fox13now.com/1xfSfaN

 

[SouthAussie]

Scene ... an aerial view of the waters near Bangka Island being searched for debris from AirAsia Flight QZ850



Debris found so far from the aircraft, which crashed into the Java Sea southwest of the island of Borneo during a storm, included an exit door and several suitcases — one of which was completely unscathed.
“There were snacks, instant porridge, and three umbrellas,” commander of the Bung Tomo warship, Colonel Yayan, told a local news channel, referring to the 28 items that had been retrieved.


“There were some very unique weather conditions and let’s wait for the investigation to be concluded,” AirAsia’s boss Tony Fernandes told reporters on Tuesday in Surabaya.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...er-stalls-search/story-fnizu68q-1227171476182

 

[Dr. Know?]

QZ8501: Malaysian vessels found four bodies

Bernama | Updated: December 31, 2014
(First published on: December 31, 2014 23:31 MYT)

KUALA LUMPUR: Royal Malaysian Navy's (RMN) vessel, KD Pahang, found three bodies floating in the Java Sea while participating in the search and rescue operation for AirAsia Indonesia flight QZ8501 on Wednesday.

RMN chief Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar, on his Twitter page, said that the bodies were found at 4.30 pm.

This adds up the total bodies found by Malaysian vessels, to four as KD Lekir found a body today morning.

http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/qz8501-malaysian-vessels-found-four-bodies-51308

 

[Roselvr]

Oh ... how embarrassing ... sorry for all the same posts on the last page of the last thread! My post wasn't posting, then it posted a zillion times. :blush:

I might ask a nice mod and see if they can get rid of a few hundred of them. And no, CARIIS, I hadn't even had a vino yet ... but I have now, so watch out! :toast:

I had issues yesterday from my cell; replied to one post twice some how. Usually the system stops it with the you must wait XX seconds before posting; but it did not. They're pretty easy to delete if you catch it; click edit post; then delete should be at the top left under title; if it is not, click on advanced; you will then see Delete Post
Select the appropriate options and then click the Delete button.

Delete this post in the following manner:

Delete Message - If you have a bunch of posts I would type out multiple posts; then copy & paste it into each one, delete

 

[Roselvr]

more on this
The slides are actually the life rafts stored inside each door. They detach and are used as a life raft, which if one really thinks about it is a pretty silly proposition. Evacuate everyone off a plane, have em hang out, thread water in roraring waves while everyone else jumps, then detach from aircraft itself which by this point is starting to sink. Its all cert stuff, and basically useless.

When is the last time in three decades any of us remeber images, of passengers , from a commericial airliner, bopping about in the ocean , after a jetliner goes down in a life raft?

Its a mind play !

The cert mandate for evacuation is that every model aircraft most prove that a fully loaded version of their aircraft must be "able" for everyone to get out within 90 seconds,

Here is what this sharade looks like:

This is the biggest airliner in the free world Airbus A380 cert test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIaovi1JWyY

a more detailed look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gqWeJGwV_U

There was so much money riding on this one , the even skipped fake smoke - in most of the others series certs they had smoke. Money rules all. The rule (90 seconds) has been in place since the Wright Brothers were in utero(!) $$$$$$$

Once again, hitting thanks was not enough! Thank you so much. Members like you & a few others really give us a lot of insight

 

[Hatfield]

AirLive.net
‏@airlivenet ALERT #QZ8501’s evacuation chute, 3 bodies found by Malaysia search team, according to @mykamarul

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/550304762886098944

FOX 13 NOW ‏@fox13now · 25m25 minutes ago
Bad weather hinders search for AirAsia Flight QZ8501; 10 bodies recovered http://go.fox13now.com/1xfSfaN

Ah Ha. Now we know why the confusion. It is just like we suspected. The chief of the "Indonesia National Search + Rescuel" is not willing to concede certain reports until he somehow has been convinced and makes it official. However, when I read this part from the Fox link I am choosing to now believe that a main section of the fuselage was indeed found. It was a report from the "head of search + rescue for Surabaya". That is good enough for me and this explains all the confusion.

From the fox link....
"One search official told CNN that he believes sonar equipment has detected wreckage from the plane at the bottom of the sea but couldn’t confirm it."

“I think that that’s the case,” said Muhammad Hernanto, the head of search and rescue for Surabaya, the Indonesian city where Flight 8501 began its journey Sunday.

But the national search and rescue chief was more cautious.

“Until now, we haven’t found the plane,” Soelistyo said, according to Indonesia’s national news agency Antara.

 

[CARIIS]

Oh ... how embarrassing ... sorry for all the same posts on the last page of the last thread! My post wasn't posting, then it posted a zillion times. :blush:

I might ask a nice mod and see if they can get rid of a few hundred of them. And no, CARIIS, I hadn't even had a vino yet ... but I have now, so watch out! :toast:

Hhi SA have fun no driving

i went back and tried to delete my post after i read your website diffculiy post and the thread was closed !! It was funny tho , iwas just reading along, and then along, and then um this sounds familiar, and along and un this is very familiar, scroll back down and oh i see why this is exactly familiar!!!! continue along again, then i saw some happy new year stuff and ah ha time zones! we have a sense of humor so i thought what a hoot! all in fun amungst serious sad scary stuff!! Still however no driving

AND you all watch out NY Eve is not here for another 13 hours, but def dragging wiht the sinus stuff so not sure if i will have a totty THEN you all are in real trouble , a totty, sinus meds, my mind as is, and typing figures hold tight!!

 

[Hatfield]

Hhi SA have fun no driving

i went back and tried to delete my post after i read your website diffculiy post and the thread was closed !! It was funny tho , iwas just reading along, and then along, and then um this sounds familiar, and along and un this is very familiar, scroll back down and oh i see why this is exactly familiar!!!! continue along again, then i saw some happy new year stuff and ah ha time zones! we have a sense of humor so i thought what a hoot! all in fun amungst serious sad scary stuff!! Still however no driving

AND you all watch out NY Eve is not here for another 13 hours, but def dragging wiht the sinus stuff so not sure if i will have a totty THEN you all are in real trouble , a totty, sinus meds, my mind as is, and typing figures hold tight!!

Your other post about the emergency chutes having to double as a life raft is so true. I cannot imagine anybody being able to try to disconnect the thing while the plane is floating in the water and beginning to sink, all while other people are trying to escape the plane.

Imagine how ridiculous and stupid that idea was. You have people trying to get out of the plane and for the people in the water already they would be wanting to disconnect it right away and get in the chute to use as a raft. What a life or death conflict that would cause.
Whoever approved the double use for the chutes needs to be terminated.

 

[CARIIS]

AirAsia QZ8501: Grieving families return to Surabaya hotel to find luggage removed from room

Some families of passengers of AirAsia Flight QZ8501 were surprised on Wednesday when they returned to their rooms at Hotel Halogen and found their luggage outside, reported Indonesia news portal Detik.com.

The hotel, which is near Juanda International Airport, had reportedly removed the luggage because the rooms were booked for the new year.

A Halogen Hotel receptionist said the decision to remove the luggage from the rooms was approved by AirAsia, and that AirAsia staff helped to move some of the items.

Very mixed feelings here, if i were the family members i would want to go home by this point. There is nothing worse than feeling really sad, being around a bunch screaming drunk people who are behaving "happy" etc etc.


That old lang sang song thingy has since birth resulted in my hunting for razor blades when ever it came on -- as i got older i got to the point where i would leave the room and wait for it to end

if that is not the most suicidal song ever written i dont know what is YUK.....................................

 

[CARIIS]

The CEO of AirAsia, Tony Fernandes has announced that the main wreckage of flight QZ8501 has not been found and there was no sonar image of the plane.

Initial reports said sonar images showed the plane was sitting upside down on the sea bed.

He also would not confirm or deny reports of bodies being discovered with life jackets, stating it was speculation at a news conference at Surabaya airport.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/airasia-qz...onfirms-main-wreckage-still-not-found-1481438

wow just wow. Don Lemmon I hope you are feeling like the irresponsible journalist you have always been. ANd i wish I could find it for you guys. When Don got all reveved up last night, and started declaring it , David Soucie, on air (in the moment I thought wow go david) calmly tried to tell Don to back off.

He said I just a got a text from and he is reminding me that there are a lot of sunken ships and planes in the java sea, and Don just went on proclaiiming it was found.

thats what made me last thread want to see how much junk is in there ( posted it). Then I saw and posted this last night (cause the jarring differences, after Davids on air warning rang big bells)

amazing what a more balanced headline does ! Rueters
Breaking News: Sonar image of dark object under water presumed to be missing AirAsia plane: Indonesian official

and here we are..................................

 

[CARIIS]

‘Dear CNN': Viewers beg for less crazy in coverage of Air Asia crash


@cnnbrk @CNN Oh Jesus CNN please don't get @donlemon to use your little model airplanes to demonstrate like with Malaysian Airlines mystery


Dear @CNN, please don't bring back the crazy missing airline guy you always have on. It is sad and serious & that guy is ridiculous. #QZ8501

who is this person talking about guys?

@ChristopherRenz @CNN omg. and his model planes!!? please no!


#CNN is going full crazy with no info on another missing plane and we haven't even seen #DonLemon yet. #ObviouslyTheresASmellOfDonLemon

my fav:
@davefromgp Follow
Looks like that creepy English "airline expert" should be getting a call from CNN at any moment

@BogdanMisko Follow
Since when is @richardquest a ucking aviation expert? How about shut the uck up and let real experts investigate first. Just CNN...

Gentle suggestion to @CNN: Move on to reporting other stories and come back to the missing plane when they actually find it. #AirAsia

 

[SouthAussie]

Ohhhh .....

“It seems all the wreckage found has drifted more than 50 kilometers (30 miles) from yesterday’s location,” said Vice Air Marshal Sunarbowo Sandi, search and rescue coordinator in Pangkalan Bun on Borneo island, the closest town to the site.

“We are expecting those bodies will end up on beaches.”

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1171286-airasia-crash-sonar-appears-to-show-wreckage/

 

[SouthAussie]

Ah Ha. Now we know why the confusion. It is just like we suspected. The chief of the "Indonesia National Search + Rescuel" is not willing to concede certain reports until he somehow has been convinced and makes it official. However, when I read this part from the Fox link I am choosing to now believe that a main section of the fuselage was indeed found. It was a report from the "head of search + rescue for Surabaya". That is good enough for me and this explains all the confusion.

From the fox link....
"One search official told CNN that he believes sonar equipment has detected wreckage from the plane at the bottom of the sea but couldn’t confirm it."

“I think that that’s the case,” said Muhammad Hernanto, the head of search and rescue for Surabaya, the Indonesian city where Flight 8501 began its journey Sunday.

But the national search and rescue chief was more cautious.

“Until now, we haven’t found the plane,” Soelistyo said, according to Indonesia’s national news agency Antara.

I agree ... some who have seen with their own eyes, or believe those that have stated so, are willing to release certain info. Other people, not so much.
Human nature, I suppose, some are willing to speak, others want every i dotted and t crossed first.

"The head of the search and rescue agency in Surabaya, Hernanto, told Reuters they believed that the plane was found in waters between 160 and 165 feet deep. AirAsia Chief Executive Tony Fernandes added that nothing has been confirmed."

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1171286-airasia-crash-sonar-appears-to-show-wreckage/

 

[MsFacetious]

At least they will be found, right? :tears: