Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[Dr. Know?]

There are lots of updates overnight from the live blog, including pictures. Too many to copy to here.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...:+NamNguyen-GooglePublicPosts+(Google++Posts)

 

[Dr. Know?]

Another translated article about AA Indonesia's license. Still confusing.

Merdeka.com - Licensed AirAsia flight route Surabaya-Singapore revoked the Ministry of Transport (MoT) as of January 2, today. This is because AirAsia QZ8501 who experience the fateful events of last Sunday (28/12), are considered illegal flight.

However, this news was denied by the Director of Safety and Security AirAsia Indonesia, Achmad Sadikin. He stated, is not possible with flight number QZ8501 plane piloted by Captain Iriyanto dare fly if without permission.

"If we had permission baseball, certainly can not fly. Especially abroad," elaknya in East Java Police Headquarters, Friday night (2/1).

Unfortunately, Sadikin reluctant to answer questions related to the no-fly AirAsia to no longer fly the plane with the Surabaya-Singapore route, per 2 January. "I have not updated so can not answer," for short.

Reported previously, AirAsia plane QZ8501 turns undergo illegal flight. Therefore, airline AirAsia route was not given permission to fly at that time.

Head of Public Communication, JA Barata disclose violations of permission to the airline. In a letter DGCA No. AU.008 / 30/6 / DRJU.DAU-2014 dated October 24, 2014 regarding permission overseas flights winter 2014/2015 period, the Surabaya-Singapore (PP) which is given to Indonesia AirAsia only on the day Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

"But in practice the airline flight conducted outside the permit granted, among other things on the day of the week," he said at the Ministry of Transportation, Jakarta.

Barata asserts, the Indonesia AirAsia does not apply changes to the operation of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation. By doing so, the Ministry of Transportation to enter into the category of violations of permits and regulations.

Indonesia AirAsia airline proved to ignore standard rules ahead of the flight. The new airline took a report of weather conditions in the Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics (BMKG) at 07.00 pm after the aircraft flight number QZ8501 Surabaya-Singapore route lost contact.

Not only that, the airline is also not always give a briefing to the pilot prior to departure. These findings were found when the Minister of Transport Ignatius Jonan make unannounced visits to the flight operations office or Flight Operation Officer (FOO) AirAsia at Soekarno Hatta Airport, this afternoon.

Now, the events of the crash AirAsia QZ8501 already entered the stage of investigation. The government has put together a variety of materials to determine whether an airline in Malaysia was worth sanctioned or not.

http://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/airasia-bantah-penerbangan-qz8501-surabaya-singapura-ilegal.html

https://translate.google.com/

 

[Bravo]

Hope you are feeling better gregjrichards

 

[Bravo]

It appeared from yesterdays weather report things were calming some. I guess in Monsoon Season it can change drastically and quickly.

 

[Dr. Know?]

From this video update you can see they are searching very close to land also.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/jan/02/airasia-flight-qz8501-30-bodies-recovered-video

 

[CARIIS]

Another translated article about AA Indonesia's license. Still confusing.

Merdeka.com - Licensed AirAsia flight route Surabaya-Singapore revoked the Ministry of Transport (MoT) as of January 2, today. This is because AirAsia QZ8501 who experience the fateful events of last Sunday (28/12), are considered illegal flight.

However, this news was denied by the Director of Safety and Security AirAsia Indonesia, Achmad Sadikin. He stated, is not possible with flight number QZ8501 plane piloted by Captain Iriyanto dare fly if without permission.

"If we had permission baseball, certainly can not fly. Especially abroad," elaknya in East Java Police Headquarters, Friday night (2/1).

Unfortunately, Sadikin reluctant to answer questions related to the no-fly AirAsia to no longer fly the plane with the Surabaya-Singapore route, per 2 January. "I have not updated so can not answer," for short.

Reported previously, AirAsia plane QZ8501 turns undergo illegal flight. Therefore, airline AirAsia route was not given permission to fly at that time.

Head of Public Communication, JA Barata disclose violations of permission to the airline. In a letter DGCA No. AU.008 / 30/6 / DRJU.DAU-2014 dated October 24, 2014 regarding permission overseas flights winter 2014/2015 period, the Surabaya-Singapore (PP) which is given to Indonesia AirAsia only on the day Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

"But in practice the airline flight conducted outside the permit granted, among other things on the day of the week," he said at the Ministry of Transportation, Jakarta.

Barata asserts, the Indonesia AirAsia does not apply changes to the operation of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation. By doing so, the Ministry of Transportation to enter into the category of violations of permits and regulations.

Indonesia AirAsia airline proved to ignore standard rules ahead of the flight. The new airline took a report of weather conditions in the Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics (BMKG) at 07.00 pm after the aircraft flight number QZ8501 Surabaya-Singapore route lost contact.

Not only that, the airline is also not always give a briefing to the pilot prior to departure. These findings were found when the Minister of Transport Ignatius Jonan make unannounced visits to the flight operations office or Flight Operation Officer (FOO) AirAsia at Soekarno Hatta Airport, this afternoon.

Now, the events of the crash AirAsia QZ8501 already entered the stage of investigation. The government has put together a variety of materials to determine whether an airline in Malaysia was worth sanctioned or not.

http://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/airasia-bantah-penerbangan-qz8501-surabaya-singapura-ilegal.html

https://translate.google.com/

My goodness, one must hope that "language" is resulting in our thinking they might be talking about regulatory approval to fly that route! I will try to find out - but since 1978 any airline here could fly anywhere they chose, limited basically by the airlines gate slots at each airport.

That is what the, 1978 deregualtion act, did- it threw aviation into a spin.Prior to that year THe CAB awarded routes to carriers. It was dirty dirty dirty . Political . So airlines did not have to do much - once all the backstabing for the Ny to san fran was done, and the carrier awarded the route, CAB also fixed the fares.

It the airline want a fare increase, the filed a form with the CAB and if approved fare went up. The CAB controlled how many carriers were on each route - so airlines did not really have to compete. Basically a govt sanctioned monomply. THe notion was tho, that if it was done that way, service to small markets in america would be served.

IT was we will award you NY San Fran - but you must twice a week fly from boo idaho - to bam alabama!
THen they decided make airlines compete, prices will plummet, and some small markets will just have to do without air service.

It worked - prices plunged, the low cost carrier was born, legacy airlines, who had been "used" to living the old way, and had contracts with all their folks, could no longer continue and our legenadary airlines begain to go bankrupt.

I do not know , if over there, they are still in the govt approved routes.



The Airline Deregulation Act is a 1978 United States federal law intended to remove government control over fares, routes and market entry (of new airlines) from commercial aviation. The Civil Aeronautics Board's powers of regulation were phased out, eventually allowing passengers to be exposed to market forces in the airline industry. The Act, however, did not remove or diminish the regulatory powers of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) over all aspects of air safety.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_Deregulation_Act

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[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]January 24, 1980[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]March 3, 1980[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]December 15, 1980[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]December 31, 1980[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]March 6, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]March 16, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Nicaraguan airline; ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]Coral Air[/TD]
[TD]July 13, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Pacific Coast Airlines[/TD]
[TD]September 11, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Swift Aire Lines[/TD]
[TD]September 18, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]Golden Gate Airlines[/TD]
[TD]October 9, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Pinehurst Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January 26, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Silver State Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 3, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Air Pennsylvania[/TD]
[TD]March 26, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]Air South[/TD]
[TD]April 2, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Cochise Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 16, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]Braniff International[/TD]
[TD]May 13, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]Astec Air East[/TD]
[TD]July 8, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Will's Air[/TD]
[TD]August 19, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Aero Sun International[/TD]
[TD]October 15, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Aero Virgin Islands[/TD]
[TD]October 19, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Altair Airlines[/TD]
[TD]November 9, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Continental Airlines[/TD]
[TD]September 23, 1983[/TD]
[TD]June 30, 1986[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frontier Airlines[/TD]
[TD]August 28, 1986[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Eastern Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 9, 1989[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Partnair[/TD]
[TD]October 1, 1989[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pan American World Airways[/TD]
[TD]January 8, 1991[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations; Most assets purchased by Delta Air Lines[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]America West Airlines[/TD]
[TD]June 28, 1991[/TD]
[TD]August 26, 1994[/TD]
[TD][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sun Country Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January, 2002[/TD]
[TD]2003[/TD]
[TD]Involuntary[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Trans World Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January 10, 2001[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Filed as part of an acquisition by American Airlines[/TD]
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[TD]US Airways[/TD]
[TD]August 11, 2002[/TD]
[TD]March 31, 2003[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]United Airlines[/TD]
[TD]December 9, 2002[/TD]
[TD]February 1, 2006[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Air Canada[/TD]
[TD]April 1, 2003[/TD]
[TD]September 30, 2004[/TD]
[TD]Canadian airline[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Flash Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 1, 2004[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]US Airways[/TD]
[TD]September 12, 2004[/TD]
[TD]September 27, 2005[/TD]
[TD]Second filing, emerges in conjunction with its acquisition by America West[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Aloha Airlines[/TD]
[TD]December 30, 2004[/TD]
[TD]February 17, 2006[/TD]
[TD]Cargo division continued flying as Aloha Air Cargo[/TD]
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[TD]Northwest Airlines[/TD]
[TD]September 14, 2005[/TD]
[TD]May 31, 2007[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]Delta Air Lines[/TD]
[TD]September 14, 2005[/TD]
[TD]April 30, 2007[/TD]
[TD]Included subsidiary Comair[/TD]
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[TD]Maxjet Airways[/TD]
[TD]December 26, 2007[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Aloha Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 31, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Second filing; ceased passenger operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]ATA Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 3, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Skybus Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frontier Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 10, 2008[/TD]
[TD]October 1, 2009[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eos Airlines[/TD]
[TD]August 26, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Sun Country Airlines[/TD]
[TD]October 6, 2008[/TD]
[TD]February 23, 2011[/TD]
[TD]Second bankruptcy[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Primaris Airlines[/TD]
[TD]October 15, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Mesa Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January 5, 2010[/TD]
[TD]March 11, 2011[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Arrow Air[/TD]
[TD]July 1, 2010[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations and liquidated[/TD]
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[TD]Mexicana[/TD]
[TD]August 28, 2010[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mexican airline; ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]American Airlines[/TD]
[TD]November 29, 2011[/TD]
[TD]December 8, 2013[/TD]
[TD]Filed and continues operations; includes parent company AMR Corporation and subsidiary American Eagle Airlines[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pinnacle Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 2, 2012[/TD]
[TD]May 1, 2013[/TD]
[TD]Emerged as subsidiary of Delta Air Lines; name changed to Endeavor Air[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]October 9, 1981[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pinehurst Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January 26, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Silver State Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 3, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Air Pennsylvania[/TD]
[TD]March 26, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[TD]Air South[/TD]
[TD]April 2, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Cochise Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 16, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Braniff International[/TD]
[TD]May 13, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Astec Air East[/TD]
[TD]July 8, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Will's Air[/TD]
[TD]August 19, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aero Sun International[/TD]
[TD]October 15, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aero Virgin Islands[/TD]
[TD]October 19, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Altair Airlines[/TD]
[TD]November 9, 1982[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Continental Airlines[/TD]
[TD]September 23, 1983[/TD]
[TD]June 30, 1986[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frontier Airlines[/TD]
[TD]August 28, 1986[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eastern Airlines
[/TD]
[TD]March 9, 1989[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Partnair[/TD]
[TD]October 1, 1989[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pan American World Airways[/TD]
[TD]January 8, 1991[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations; Most assets purchased by Delta Air Lines[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]America West Airlines[/TD]
[TD]June 28, 1991[/TD]
[TD]August 26, 1994[/TD]
[TD][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sun Country Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January, 2002[/TD]
[TD]2003[/TD]
[TD]Involuntary[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trans World Airlines[/TD]
[TD]January 10, 2001[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Filed as part of an acquisition by American Airlines[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]US Airways[/TD]
[TD]August 11, 2002[/TD]
[TD]March 31, 2003[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]United Airlines[/TD]
[TD]December 9, 2002[/TD]
[TD]February 1, 2006[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Air Canada[/TD]
[TD]April 1, 2003[/TD]
[TD]September 30, 2004[/TD]
[TD]Canadian airline[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Flash Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 1, 2004[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]US Airways[/TD]
[TD]September 12, 2004[/TD]
[TD]September 27, 2005[/TD]
[TD]Second filing, emerges in conjunction with its acquisition by America West[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aloha Airlines[/TD]
[TD]December 30, 2004[/TD]
[TD]February 17, 2006[/TD]
[TD]Cargo division continued flying as Aloha Air Cargo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northwest Airlines[/TD]
[TD]September 14, 2005[/TD]
[TD]May 31, 2007[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Delta Air Lines[/TD]
[TD]September 14, 2005[/TD]
[TD]April 30, 2007[/TD]
[TD]Included subsidiary Comair[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maxjet Airways[/TD]
[TD]December 26, 2007[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aloha Airlines[/TD]
[TD]March 31, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Second filing; ceased passenger operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ATA Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 3, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Skybus Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 5, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frontier Airlines[/TD]
[TD]April 10, 2008[/TD]
[TD]October 1, 2009[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eos Airlines[/TD]
[TD]August 26, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sun Country Airlines[/TD]
[TD]October 6, 2008[/TD]
[TD]February 23, 2011[/TD]
[TD]Second bankruptcy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Primaris Airlines[/TD]
[TD]October 15, 2008[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ceased operations[/TD]
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[CARIIS]

The “big bang” in the airline world was October 24, 1978. On that momentous day the Airline Deregulation Act (“Act”) was signed into law. Prior to the new law airlines were governed by the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB). It set fares and granted (or not) licenses to airlines for new routes. The system had functioned for over four decades when in the early 1970’s the Arab oil embargo drastically increased fuel prices and the economy suffered from stagflation. The rate system often subsidized inefficient routes. As air fares were escalating rapidly, congressional pressure mounted to scrap this antiquated bureaucracy. The theory was that an industry once untethered from government shackles would surely thrive under unfettered capitalism.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardfinger/2012/08/20/airlines-who-can-tolerate-them/

Since 1978, 160 airlines have come and gone. In the last quarter-century, the rate of bankruptcy among air carriers has been as much as 10 times higher than that of the general business community. In 2005, virtually all major airlines are either in bankruptcy (United and US Air were joined Wednesday by Delta and Northwest) or on the verge of bankruptcy. How did we come to this?

http://www.alternet.org/story/25495/the_high_price_of_airline_deregulation

 

[Dr. Know?]

For my Canadian friends. Fly First Air.

One airline figured out how to make sure its airplanes never disappear

First Air, a Canadian airliner, flies across some of the most remote and sparsely populated areas on the continent, with routes going as far north as Resolute Bay, in the Arctic Circle. Its planes are often beyond the reach of conventional radar. They are also nearly disappearance-proof.

That’s because of a six-pound tracking system, about the size of a hotel safe, installed in the planes’ electronics bays. When flights proceed normally, the system never snaps into action. But if something goes wrong — a sudden loss of altitude; an unexpected bank; engine vibrations — the system begins transmitting data to the ground, via satellite, every second. That six-pound box spits out reams of performance data, as well as the basics necessary for a search-and-rescue: coordinates, speed, and altitude.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...w-to-make-sure-its-airplanes-never-disappear/

 

[Bravo]

I cant believe it was that long ago we lost a good friend aboard this plane

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/news/pelee-island-plane-crash-10-years-after

 

[Dr. Know?]

Finally, in English and doesn't need to be translated.

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In a press statement issued on Friday, the transport ministry said AirAsia, based on an Oct 24, 2014 contract, was allowed only to fly Surabaya-Singapore-Surabaya route on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, but in practice the airline flies that route on Sunday. "The suspension starts on Jan 2 and will remain, pending the result of our evaluation and investigation," said the statement, signed by the ministry's spokesman, Mr J. A. Barata. "AirAsia has never filed for a request to revise its schedule. It is a breach of agreement," the statement added.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...ris-and-bodies-are-found-search-bad-weather#2

 

[MsFacetious]

So what did they not file a request for?
The earlier flight that one time?
Or something else?

 

[Dr. Know?]

It sounds like they can only fly on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, but in practice the airline flies that route on Sunday. Sunday isn't approved legally, I take it.

 

[Boodles]

In the "live blog" for which someone posted a link previously, there was an entry saying the tail had been found. Is that true and confirmed?

And for the passengers' bodies found on Friday, were they submerged or at the surface? I understand there were three passengers strapped to their seats, and I wouldn't imagine that would be found on the surface. I'm just hoping they have located a submerged set of debris/remains indicating wreckage location.

 

[Snoods]

Victims identified (click to enlarge images)



Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, a student at the Clayton Campus of Monash University. Identified through fingerprints.



Twenty-two-year-old flight attendant Khairunnisa Fauzi. Identified through fingerprints.


http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...rash-in-java-sea/story-fnizu68q-1227170415831
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...m-plane--i-love-you-from-38000ft-9951983.html

 

[Snoods]

47-year-old schoolteacher Hayati Lutfiah Hamid was traveling to Singapore with her ten-year-old-daughter, her husband, and her mother-in-law. She was identified through her fingerprints and the jewelry she was wearing.



http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ia-flight-qz8501/story-fnizu68q-1227172146899
http://bhineka-artikel.blogspot.com...jenazah-air-asia-pertama-yang-dimakamkan.html

 

[Hatfield]

Back at work today. Some food for thought. Our A320 Engineer (I have him hooked now). We have a deal - he provides me with technical information in exchange for my homemade lemon meringue pies. When he looked at the footage he was puzzled by the slide being deployed. Apparently it can only be deployed manually and not on impact. He would have thought more bodies would have floated to the surface by now, which would suggest that they are still belted in their seats. As the door is the strongest part of the A/C you would expect to see the fuselage in a million pieces.

Catching up. I agree here. Just a wild guess here but I think its possible the flight attendant initially survived the initial crash and opened that door for everyone. It would explain her and a few other bodies getting out along with that inflatable stairs. If they did survive, they were gravely injured and I dont think they were in any condition to swim in the water. I think maybe either the stewardess or someone nearby that door managed to get the door open and that is about it. The stairs would have inflated and ripped free from the plane as it sunk. Then a few bodies near the door floated out.

Just a guess because it is strange how those inflatable stairs were found. And I think the stewardess would be sitting near that door.

 

[Snoods]

Since the first victim has been laid to rest, that means an autopsy has been completed. I wonder what was the cause of death?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30650893

 

[Hatfield]

I can completely understand that. When I'm in the office and an A380 full of fuel and pax labours down the runway and eventually becomes airborne - still doesn't make sense.

I agree. I understand the principles of "lift" and I have had many a model airplane but when I saw the shuttle coming in for a landing on CNN for the 1st time, I was wondering how a million ton rectangle "box" could glide in like that.

 

[Bravo]

Incredibly difficult seeing Victims photos. It just makes it for lack of better words a harsh reality. So very, very sad.

 

[Dr. Know?]

From what I've read all morning, they suspect they have found the tail section in the area where they have found bodies floating, even seat belted to their seats (the seats float) plus debris from the plain wreckage.

The weather is harsh and they aren't able to dive to verify it nor get a visual other than a shadow from aircraft. There's also an oil slick in this area.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/specialreports/qz8501/search/qz8501-search-fuselage/1564814.html

o/t, one tweeter who's not MSM tweeted, they didn't die, they only fly higher, rest in love. :tears: