Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[winterrayne]

Re: autopsies
Just saw on cnn.....46 members were from the same church, which was Christian. 30percent of the people on the plane were actually Christian, according to the guy on cnn that is over there. So hopefully that means they should allow autopsies. I would have hoped that some of the Muslims would have put thier religion aside and allowed an autopsy. But luckily since there were a good percent of Christians on the plane, we should get a good idea of what happened autopsy wise.
My first post on this thread, hi!

 

[Bravo]

Re: autopsies
Just saw on cnn.....46 members were from the same church, which was Christian. 30percent of the people on the plane were actually Christian, according to the guy on cnn that is over there. So hopefully that means they should allow autopsies. I would have hoped that some of the Muslims would have put thier religion aside and allowed an autopsy. But luckily since there were a good percent of Christians on the plane, we should get a good idea of what happened autopsy wise.
My first post on this thread, hi!

Thanks for the info and :welcome:

 

[SouthAussie]

Re: autopsies
Just saw on cnn.....46 members were from the same church, which was Christian. 30percent of the people on the plane were actually Christian, according to the guy on cnn that is over there. So hopefully that means they should allow autopsies. I would have hoped that some of the Muslims would have put thier religion aside and allowed an autopsy. But luckily since there were a good percent of Christians on the plane, we should get a good idea of what happened autopsy wise.
My first post on this thread, hi!

I hope so ... I read somewhere (while researching for the Sheila von Wiese Mack thread) that most of the officials in Indonesia are Muslim. I hope that doesn't get in the way of typical proceedings.

 

[SouthAussie]

Abdul Aziz Jaafar @ChiefofNavy

#QZ8501: Underwater Search Area with a dimension of 57X10nm established. 5 ships are tasked.
10:44 AM - 3 Jan 2015

It has been a week since AirAsia QZ8501 lost contact with air traffic controllers with 162 people on board.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

Oops, SA you beat me!

Channel News Singapore is up & posting for day 7.


Divers at Kumai Port preparing for a hunt for QZ8501 debris and bodies (Photo: Xabryna Kek)

All times listed are Singapore time. Refresh this page for updates.

8.10AM: The underwater search area as of Saturday measures 57 by 10 nautical miles, tweets Malaysia's Chief of Navy

#QZ8501: Underwater Search Area with a dimension of 57X10nm established. 5 ships are tasked. pic.twitter.com/fgkp5vku8G
— Abdul Aziz Jaafar (@ChiefofNavy) January 3, 2015


8AM: A recap of what happened on Friday - 30 bodies have been retrieved so far; 65 ships, 14 planes and 19 helicopters have been deployed in a multinational search operation. The tail of the plane has been spotted at a depth of 29 metres said the commander of the Indonesian navy ship Bung Tomo.


Click here for more on the previous day's developments.


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

 

[MsFacetious]

So the tail is separate....
I really do wonder if most of the rest of the plane is intact.

 

[Dr. Know?]

This sounds like they might be doing autopsies on some of the victims.

10 AirAsia Victims to Undergo Post Mortem Test

Doctors and experts/specialist from various aspects such as anthropology, forensics and many others will attend the conciliation meeting. This is to further identify victims whose condition can no longer be studied or checked visually.

http://news.liputan6.com/read/21556...dergo-post-mortem-test?utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[newone]

I would think that the surviving family members if they are litigation savvy could order independent autopsy.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I can't remember if the WWII information in the area was posted or not?

JAKARTA: The Java Sea where a massive search operation is underway for AirAsia Flight QZ8501 is also the graveyard for one of the largest naval engagements of World War II. Old wrecks, whether from battles or peacetime disasters, have occasionally given false leads to modern searches.

more

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/qz8501-search-area/1564114.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

Darn it.

8.40AM: The search for bodies and debris has been repeatedly hampered by bad weather over the week and today is no different. Recovery teams are encountering rough seas with waves of up to 4 metres, and winds of 20 to 30 knots, Malaysia's Chief of Navy Abdul Aziz Jaafar said on Twitter.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Darn it.

8.40AM: The search for bodies and debris has been repeatedly hampered by bad weather over the week and today is no different. Recovery teams are encountering rough seas with waves of up to 4 metres, and winds of 20 to 30 knots, Malaysia's Chief of Navy Abdul Aziz Jaafar said on Twitter.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

They said that this weather is supposed to continue through Sunday. Hopefully it clears a little after that. Their wet/monsoon season goes all the way until March.

 

[newone]

Darn it.

8.40AM: The search for bodies and debris has been repeatedly hampered by bad weather over the week and today is no different. Recovery teams are encountering rough seas with waves of up to 4 metres, and winds of 20 to 30 knots, Malaysia's Chief of Navy Abdul Aziz Jaafar said on Twitter.



http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

wow -- here I was getting all excited about the possibility of a productive day.....I feel so badly for the family members who must be feeling outrage by this point.....I hope that there will be a seriously huge breakthrough soon

 

[Bravo]

Soucie on CNN right now

 

[Bravo]

This weather is so damn discouraging!!!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

Approximately 100 fishing boats from Kumai Harbour have been combing the sea in search of debris and victims from the plane. They have been instructed by officials to bring any bodies they find to the navy ships. .... the nets they use can reach a depth of 12 metres.

Chief Engineer of police ship KP Punai, Rangga Mahardhika ...... he is not giving up: "We just try. We try to find the people and rescue them."

"Please be patient, we will be searching and searching until we find them," said Captain Ahmad.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/we-just-try-qz8501-search/1564736.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Officials said the bodies and debris recovered so far were found within a relatively small area, which indicates that the fuselage is likely nearby.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/qz8501-search-fuselage/1564814.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

9.09AM: The most probable cause of the AirAsia QZ8501 crash is icing in the cloud that damaged the plane engine, said the Indonesian Agency for Meteorological, Climatological and Geophysics in a 14-page report.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

14 page pdf report and needs to be translated.

http://data.bmkg.go.id/share/Gambar...AAN_AIRASIA_QZ_8501_ANALISIS_METEOROLOGIS.pdf

 

[Bravo]

Bless those search and rescue folk and of course the Loved One's who wait.....sigh!! I wish Mother Nature would give them a break lease:lease:

 

[Bravo]

9.09AM: The most probable cause of the AirAsia QZ8501 crash is icing in the cloud that damaged the plane engine, said the Indonesian Agency for Meteorological, Climatological and Geophysics in a 14-page report.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

Thanks for the link. When it was first discussed it does seem like a very plausible theory. IMO.
ETA-would this cause the steep climb tho? If that report was accurate
I'm on a new laptop and don't have translation added yet LOL

 

[CARIIS]

Question. Keep in mind I have not read every post. The plane has to be broken apart for bodies to float to the surface right? Could the rest of the bodies still be strapped to seats that didn't break apart or was the plane that broken apart?

Its almost like being toyed with . The clues that are coming in from debris and bodies are schzophrnic. Initally unclothed but intact, indicates some violence in the end, but not what one would expect to see from a in flight breakup at high altitude.

The we get some clothed, this alters or brings "down" velocity stuff (either way water are decsesnt) , but then could not be seen as some in air distinergration while some parts of the plane remained intact to some degree protecting some.

Then we get some in seats, (would be interesting to know from what part of the aircraft), still stapped in. Were they clothed, might indciate ejection at impact, if not - seperation from aircraft in air? Still in seat belt - have to modicfy forces down in either case.

Have not heard any mention "of body part" , giving the notion that we remain at some level moderate forces.

But we are not getting any idea at all of any of this that has been found has all been totally random, isolated things just floating along seperatlely in currents, or were their clutsters of stuff, in like little pods. All that matters, especially if we are trying to rule out in air event. HOw stuff rains down, matters, in reconstruction terms.

In aircraft manufacotr weight is the king. A coffee pot in the design stage might be redone, replaced etc . FUel = money= airplane sales. THis generation A320- is not made only from aluminium. , they are made from composite materials, ( built with high technology materials such as carbon composites, Kevlar and fiberglass) much lighter, so the notion that there has not been more aircraft bobbing around in waves does kind throw back to at least some large part of it seems to have been connected to the rest and then submerged.

Improved aluminium alloys increase structural life, while the extensive use of composite materials save weight and reduce parts.

The three in seats is pecular in terms of a stright impact from above crash into the ocean. So many confusing things