Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[LaborDayRN]

10.45AM: BREAKTHROUGH?
The main wreckage of QZ8501 has been found, says the chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency BASARNAS.
Speaking in Jakarta, he said two big parts have been found at the bottom of the sea near Pangkalan Bun.
The wreckage is lying at a depth of 30 metres. Oil spills have also been detected in the area.
Search teams are currently deploying remotely operated vehicles to take a closer look at the wreckage before sending divers.
High waves and strong current are still hampering search efforts.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

Prayers for the searchers. It sounds like a very difficult and dangerous task. We sure don't want anymore lives lost.

 

[MsFacetious]

That would be about 33 metres out of a 37 metre plane, if I remember correctly. :twocents:
I'm wondering if the wings came off and it broke right there. So the tail section they found is from the wings back.

from your quote:

"The larger of the objects was around 10 metres by five metres''


Let's hope this information is 'in addition' to the previous information about the 23 metre length object

 

[Dr. Know?]

from your quote:

"The larger of the objects was around 10 metres by five metres''


Let's hope this information is 'in addition' to the previous information about the 23 metre length object

No kidding. 75' plus 32' would be approximately the correct length of the plane per wiki. (110', iirc)

 

[LaborDayRN]

30 meters down. Honestly, in the grand scheme of things, that not too deep. It's manageable, and hopefully they can bring all the lost back to their families.

 

[Snoods]

My God (speaking to the CNN special on sole survivors) Young Gal hung on to a piece of the aircraft and floated for 9 hrs. Rescued and alive and well today.

I'm watching it right now, I had no idea there were so many sole survivors! And I'm totally not tearing up, I just have something in my eye...

 

[CARIIS]

I have given up on trying to figure out times. This is from these guys
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...ingapore-navy-ship-recovers-plane-window-pane

Published Published on Jan 2, 2015 6:42 PM

Meanwhile, the Indonesia search team has detected by sonar what is suspected to be the tail of the plane, MetroTV News reported. The piece was picked up by sonar radar at a depth of 29 metres in the waters of the Karimata Strait at 7.34am on Friday, the Indonesian media outlet said.
Colonel Yayan, Commander of Indonesian navy ship Bung Tomo, said the find has yet to be confirmed visually.

 

[Bravo]

I'm watching it right now, I had no idea there were so many sole survivors! And I'm totally not tearing up, I just have something in my eye...

Me either. It's mind boggling. I get loved one's have hope even when realistically it should have run out. Some of these stories really speak to it being a possibility. Slight. Yet still possible in the early hours.

 

[MsFacetious]

11.14AM: Relatives of people on board QZ8501 are asking AirAsia staff why they had to find out about the main wreckage discovery via television, Channel NewsAsia's Sumisha Naidu reports.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

 

[newone]

11.14AM: Relatives of people on board QZ8501 are asking AirAsia staff why they had to find out about the main wreckage discovery via television, Channel NewsAsia's Sumisha Naidu reports.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

At this point those families have got to be running on empty ..... nerves frayed...little will be of consolation to them at this point. MOO

 

[CARIIS]

Sole survivor focused on 5191 -here is the 2 minute cvr/animation of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN1NFy-WKW0

 

[CARIIS]

The pilot wife makes it sounds like NTSB blamed the pilots. Its not "blame" - however a prudent question is ecactly who IS repsonsible for making sure an aircraft is taking off from the proper place?

They also reported:

3.1 Findings
1. The captain and the first officer were properly certificated and qualified under Federal
regulations. There was no evidence of any medical or behavioral conditions that might
have adversely affected their performance during the accident flight. Before reporting
for the accident flight, the flight crewmembers had rest periods that were longer than
those required by Federal regulations and company policy.

2. The accident airplane was properly certified, equipped, and maintained in accordance
with Federal regulations. The recovered components showed no evidence of any
structural, engine, or system failures.

3. Weather was not a factor in this accident. No restrictions to visibility occurred during
the airplane’s taxi to the runway and the attempted takeoff. The taxi and the attempted
takeoff occurred about 1 hour before sunrise during night visual meteorological
conditions and with no illumination from the moon.

4. The captain and the first officer believed that the airplane was on runway 22 when
they taxied onto runway 26 and initiated the takeoff roll.

5. The flight crew recognized that something was wrong with the takeoff beyond the
point from which the airplane could be stopped on the remaining available runway.

6. Because the accident airplane had taxied onto and taken off from runway 26 without
a clearance to do so, this accident was a runway incursion.

7. Adequate cues existed on the airport surface and available resources were present in
the cockpit to allow the flight crew to successfully navigate from the air carrier ramp
to the runway 22 threshold.

8. The flight crewmembers’ nonpertinent conversation during the taxi, which was not in
compliance with Federal regulations and company policy, likely contributed to their
loss of positional awareness.

9. The flight crewmembers failed to recognize that they were initiating a takeoff on the
wrong runway because they did not cross-check and confirm the airplane’s position
on the runway before takeoff and they were likely influenced by confirmation bias.

10. Even though the flight crewmembers made some errors during their preflight activities
and the taxi to the runway, there was insufficient evidence to determine whether
fatigue affected their performance.

 

[newone]

I have given up on trying to figure out times. This is from these guys
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...ingapore-navy-ship-recovers-plane-window-pane

Published Published on Jan 2, 2015 6:42 PM

Meanwhile, the Indonesia search team has detected by sonar what is suspected to be the tail of the plane, MetroTV News reported. The piece was picked up by sonar radar at a depth of 29 metres in the waters of the Karimata Strait at 7.34am on Friday, the Indonesian media outlet said.
Colonel Yayan, Commander of Indonesian navy ship Bung Tomo, said the find has yet to be confirmed visually.

current time 10:49 a.m. Saturday Jan 3

I use this

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/indonesia/jakarta

 

[CARIIS]

OK, now, these guys are Right in the middle to their preflight checllist. The go from the checklist to personal to some of the checklist to personal :


05:58:46.0

CAM-2 fuel pumps.​

05:58:46.8​

CAM-1 number one's on.
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05:58:48.7
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CAM-2 see this is telling me that I really need to do something.
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05:58:51.7
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CAM-1 [sound of laughter]
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05:59:05.7
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RDO-1 and ground, Comair one ninety one, just a heads-up on the push.
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05:59:11.1
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GND Comair one ninety one advise ready to taxi.​

05:59:13.3
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RDO-1 roger.
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05:59:14.1
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INT-1 hey, how you doin'? you ca.... can you hear me? okay, brakes
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released, we're cleared to push sir.
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05:59:24.6
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HOT-2 must be one of us, skinny flight attendant.
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05:59:26.5
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HOT-1 [sound of laughter]
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05:59:33.0
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E882 ground, Eagle flight eight eighty two ready to taxi with Alpha.
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05:59:42.0
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HOT-1 he said it's okay to turn one at your leisure.
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05:59:43.6
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GND Eagle flight eight eighty two taxi to runway two two. altimeter
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three zero zero zero and the wind's two zero zero seven.
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05:59:45.4
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HOT-2 that's pretty cool the family got to come down.
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05:59:47.2
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HOT-2 how long of a ride is that?
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05:59:50.9
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HOT-1 uuuuh. maybe, maybe an hour.
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05:59:52.9​

E882 taxi to **, Eagle flight eight eighty two.​

05:59:57.5​

HOT-2 that's cool.​

06:00:09.4​

HOT-1 both kids were sick though, they, well they all got colds. it was an​

interesting br, dinner last night.​

06:00:16.1​

HOT-2 really.​

06:00:16.6​

HOT-1 huh, oh gosh.
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06:00:19.1​

HOT-2 how old are they?​

06:00:20.0​

HOT-1 three months and two years old. who was sneezing, either nose​

wiped, diaper change I mean that's all we did all night long.​

06:00:31.0​

HOT-2 oh yeah I'm sure.​

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06:00:32.2​

GND ** sixteen ninety two thanks, turn right heading two seven zero​

runway two two, cleared for takeoff.​

06:00:32.4​

HOT-2 [sound of laughter]​

06:00:34.9​

HOT-2 that's a nice range, age range.
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06:00:37.7​

HOT-1 yeah, I like two years apart basically and that's the kinda what we​

were going for.​

06:00:45.3​

HOT-1 my wife wants four, I, I, I'm, I was good at one.​

06:00:48.5​

HOT-2 she wants four.​

06:00:49.9​

CAM [sound of chime]​

06:00:50.1​

HOT-1 yeah.
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06:00:50.2
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HOT-1 [sound of chuckle]
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06:00:52.7
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HOT-2 it'd be like honey….
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06:01:02.7​

CAM [sound of chime]​

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06:01:07.1​

HOT-2 yeah, it's especially being on reserve it, it's gotta be tough being​

away.​

06:01:12.2​

HOT-1 ah, tough on her, oh my God. that's why she came down yesterday.​

she's like, I just need to get out of this house.​

06:01:18.0​

HOT-2 yeah, I bet.​

06:01:18.9​

HOT-1 I'm like I understand. I, I told her, why don't you just spend the​

night. she said well, if you're gonna get up at oh dark thirty and​

she said you'll end up waking up the babies. I'm like yeah, you're​

probably right.​

06:01:32.1​

HOT-2 yeah it would just be like being at home.​

06:01:35.5​

HOT-1 yeah, she's like you know, I don't know, she's like I'll....​

06:01:38.5​

HOT-2 instead of having her rush back and drive....​

06:01:40.6​

HOT-1 and we got a dog.​

06:01:40.8​

GND *** Lexington tower roger, hold short.​

06:01:42.9​

HOT-2 aah, trust me the dog *. be on the @ slim-fast diet * for a night.​

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06:01:47.4​

HOT-1 [sound of laughter]​

06:01:48.7​

HOT-2 uh, parking brake.​

06:01:49.6​

HOT-1 that's on.​

06:01:50.0​

HOT-2 number two, actually, engine.​

06:01:51.7​

HOT-1 one and two are started.​

06:01:52.5​

HOT-2 starting engines complete.​

06:01:54.3​

HOT-1 and before taxi.​

06:01:55.6​

HOT-2 anti-iiiiice.​

06:01:56.6​

HOT-1 windshields and probes are low and on.​

06:01:58.3​

HOT-2 nosewheel steering.​

06:01:59.5​

HOT-1 that's armed.​

06:02:00.0​

HOT-2 taxi check complete.​

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06:02:01.3​

RDO-2 Comair one ninety one is ready to taxi we have ALPHA.​

06:02:03.8​

GND Comair one ninety one, taxi to runway two two. altimeter three​

zero zero zero and the winds are two zero zero at eight.​

06:02:08.9​

RDO-2 three triple zero and taxi two two, Comair one ninety one.​

06:02:12.6​

GND Eagle flight runway two two, cleared for takeoff.​

06:02:15.1​

HOT-1 clear left.​

06:02:17.3​

HOT-2 on the right.​

06:02:17.9​

GND Skywest six eight nineteen radar contact, say altitude leaving.​

06:02:18.9​

HOT-1 flaps twenty, taxi check.​

06:02:21.0​

HOT-2 full right.​

06:02:23.8​

GND Skywest sixty eight nineteen, climb and maintain one zero thousand,​

ten thousand, join Victor one seventy one and resume *,​

own navigation.​

06:02:24.0​

HOT-2 full left.​

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06:02:25.5​

HOT-1 test your brakes any time.​

06:02:31.1​

HOT-2 I want to *** down.​

06:02:32.3​

HOT-1 sure.​

06:02:41.5​

HOT-2 let's see, comin' back.​

06:02:51.6​

HOT-1 brakes.​

06:02:52.3​

HOT-1 they're checked.​

06:02:53.2​

HOT-2 right, flaps.​

06:02:54.4​

HOT-1 set twenty, indicating twenty.​

06:02:55.6​

HOT-2 flight controls.​

06:02:56.3​

HOT-1 check left.​

06:02:58.3​

HOT-2 on the right, trims.​

06:02:59.5​

HOT-1 engage zero seven point two.​

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06:03:02.2​

HOT-2 radar terrain displays. [spoken in a yawning voice]​

06:03:04.0​

HOT-2 all the taxi check's complete. [spoken in a yawning voice]​

06:03:12.0​

HOT-1 finish it up your leisure.​

06:03:16.4​

HOT-2 yeah, I know three guys at Kennedy. actually two guys uh....​

@@ he went but he didn't get past the sim.​

06:03:26.7​

HOT-1 oh, really.​

06:03:29.1​

HOT-2 and then um, a First Officer from Cinci....​

06:03:34.5​

GND Eagle flight radar contact, radar contact. say altitude leaving.​

06:03:35.1​

HOT-2 got through the second part....​

06:03:37.2​

HOT-2 what do you do the uh, these tests.... and he didn't, and that's as​

far as he got.​

06:03:40.8​

GND Eagle flight eight eighty two, climb and maintain one zero thousand,​

ten thousand.​

06:03:49.3​

HOT-2 and then @@ he actually got offered the position.​

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HOT-1 did he take it or....​

06:03:55.5​

HOT-2 yeah.​

06:03:56.1​

HOT-1 ah, okay.​

06:04:01.2​

HOT-2 second engine started, anti-ice probes windshield low.
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06:04:03.1
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GND * sixteen ninety one, previous question.
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06:04:05.6​

HOT-2 hydraulics checked, APU's on, FMS we got runway two two out of​

Lexington up to six.​

06:04:13.3​

HOT-2 thrust reversers are armed, auto crossflow is manual, ignition is​

off, altimeters three
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[Snoods]

Me either. It's mind boggling. I get loved one's have hope even when realistically it should have run out. Some of these stories really speak to it being a possibility. Slight. Yet still possible in the early hours.

The one thing that struck me the most was the flight the 12-year-old survived, Yemenia flight 626. 152 people were killed and only 25 were identifiable. It does make you think someone could have survived this flight...

 

[Dr. Know?]

At this point those families have got to be running on empty ..... nerves frayed...little will be of consolation to them at this point. MOO

Of course the families should be notified first and always. Sometimes, reporters or others rush to the news when they shouldn't. In this case, I can't see the authority bypassing the relatives. Could have, but Air Asia and rescue need to know who's more important. Finding the victims, determining how they died, finding the black boxes & fuselage. In that order. I'm pretty tired of pictures of rescuers with cameras snapping shots of the victims or leaked rescues of bodies on youtube! Fake or not and the reporting since yesterday about the darn black boxes before mentioning the people missing. It's probably a language difference. rant over...

 

[newone]

"I can confirm that this is the big part of the AirAsia plane we have been looking for all this time,” Mr. Soelistyo said, adding that a remotely operated vehicle would be sent to take pictures of the objects, though rough weather is hampering the deployment.

He added that the larger of the two objects appeared to be more than 9 meters long, and the other was more than 7 meters long. The objects were found close together around 11 p.m.*** Friday night in a priority area of the wider search zone, he said. An oil slick was discovered Friday."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia-recovery-mission-speeds-up-1420201656

Further to the upset vis a vis notification of families first of the most recent discovery it appears that it was late Friday night. Given that there is a difficulty in communication from the SAR vessels to the islands, it seems it is a logistical nightmare for communications.

***approximately 12 hours ago

 

[Dr. Know?]

"I can confirm that this is the big part of the AirAsia plane we have been looking for all this time,” Mr. Soelistyo said, adding that a remotely operated vehicle would be sent to take pictures of the objects, though rough weather is hampering the deployment.

He added that the larger of the two objects appeared to be more than 9 meters long, and the other was more than 7 meters long. The objects were found close together around 11 p.m. Friday night in a priority area of the wider search zone, he said. An oil slick was discovered Friday."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia-recovery-mission-speeds-up-1420201656

Way smaller than earlier reports.

 

[Bravo]

I think I am officially "lost in translation". Poor Family's. I suppose the lack of communication from rescue vessels to land isn't helping. I do believe they are doing the best they can.

 

[Skittles]

I finished watching Sole Survivor, turned on the news and saw this:

"Kentucky State Police say four people have been killed in a small plane crash and a 7-year-old girl apparently survived and walked away from the wreckage."

More at:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-girl-survived-ky-plane-crash-27973521

Poor little girl, all by herself. I don't think I could have done what she did at that age.

ETA:

Link to WS thread about this:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?267251-KY-7-year-old-walks-away-from-plane-crash-4-dead

 

[Dr. Know?]

All times listed are Singapore time. Refresh this page for updates.


11.55AM: 7 bodies from QZ8501 have arrived at Pangkalan Bun airport. One more is on its way from a Malaysian ship, flown in by a Super Puma helicopter. Channel NewsAsia's Xabryna Kek who is on the scene says there appears to be debris being shifted from the choppers as well.



Awww, too sad.



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