Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[Bravo]

I finished watching Sole Survivor, turned on the news and saw this:

"Kentucky State Police say four people have been killed in a small plane crash and a 7-year-old girl apparently survived and walked away from the wreckage."

More at:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-girl-survived-ky-plane-crash-27973521

Poor little girl, all by herself. I don't think I could have done what she did at that age.

Wow. Just wow! Poor little girl and it was likely Family she was with. Prayers to her in the difficult days ahead.

 

[CARIIS]

The one thing that struck me the most was the flight the 12-year-old survived, Yemenia flight 626. 152 people were killed and only 25 were identifiable. It does make you think someone could have survived this flight...

But we dont really know how many did (if) and sucuumed after being in the roaring ocean for days.........

 

[Bravo]

But we dont really know how many did (if) and sucuumed after being in the roaring ocean for days.........

I hear ya. As much as it impresses me and want for this Pilot to have accomplished a soft water landing I pray for the passengers it played out different. That it was quick and as painless as possible. Since none were to survive.

 

[Dr. Know?]

One thing I have read several times today (and needed translated) was that the pilots didn't check the weather forecast (mandatory) before departure but at 7:00am it was checked after the plane disappeared. The tweets etc...sounded like they were accusing Air Asia of coverup...and take that with a big grain of salt.

 

[Dr. Know?]

12.30AM: The strong current is making it difficult to control the remotely operated vehicle, lowered underwater to probe QZ8501 main wreckage find. The large objects detected measure 9.2m x 4.6m x 0.5m and 7.2m by 0.5m reports Detik.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

Picture at link. Weather looks pretty bad.

 

[Isabelle]

Just seems that part of the earth is the worse place to fly. I wouldn't do it for all the money in the world.

 

[newone]

''The first five subs were manufactured in a meandering alley in Binh Tan District and sold for US$3,500 each to a Malaysian resort for recreational coral reef journeys."

''The company works on under-sea cables and plans to use the subs to check their work, he said."

http://www.thanhniennews.com/tech/vietnamese-minisub-maker-moves-operation-to-malaysia-31432.html

A Vietnamese mini submarine manufacturer is actually assembling mini subs now in Malaysia -- wish someone would courier one to the site right away.

 

[newone]

One thing I have read several times today (and needed translated) was that the pilots didn't check the weather forecast (mandatory) before departure but at 7:00am it was checked after the plane disappeared. The tweets etc...sounded like they were accusing Air Asia of coverup...and take that with a big grain of salt.

it is 'curious' that all of sudden we heard today that that flight was not even authorized to fly that day....how many other times did that carrier, or others, slip in an extra ''money maker'' perhaps 'off the books' or for ''extra consideration''? No innuendo intended on my part but it did raise a few gasps. Initially, I was surprised that the flight left a couple of hours ahead of time ... am more accustomed to departure times being delayed. It seemed ''odd'' MOO

Perhaps there is more of a ''wild west'' attitude there to make $ at the expense of safety and perhaps this is being scrutinized now. Again don't know just MOOing

 

[Bravo]

it is 'curious' that all of sudden we heard today that that flight was not even authorized to fly that day....how many other times did that carrier, or others, slip in an extra ''money maker'' perhaps 'off the books' or for ''extra consideration''? No innuendo intended on my part but it did raise a few gasps. Initially, I was surprised that the flight left a couple of hours ahead of time ... am more accustomed to departure times being delayed. It seemed ''odd'' MOO

Perhaps there is more of a ''wild west'' attitude there to make $ at the expense of safety and perhaps this is being scrutinized now. Again don't know just MOOing

Remember a few days in it was clarified by those who missed the alerts and the flight that the flight was actually changed a week or two prior. Not the 2 hour window first reported. It's hard to discern what gets lost in translation and now what is the Airline "deflecting". It does seem hinky that this plane would fly on a day it was not "suppose" to? If it did had it before? Is it now just being addressed? Seems a fast growing Airline and Asian Airlines have not been as forthcoming in a disaster as of late. Just jumping off your post.

 

[Dr. Know?]

it is 'curious' that all of sudden we heard today that that flight was not even authorized to fly that day....how many other times did that carrier, or others, slip in an extra ''money maker'' perhaps 'off the books' or for ''extra consideration''? No innuendo intended on my part but it did raise a few gasps. Initially, I was surprised that the flight left a couple of hours ahead of time ... am more accustomed to departure times being delayed. It seemed ''odd'' MOO

Perhaps there is more of a ''wild west'' attitude there to make $ at the expense of safety and perhaps this is being scrutinized now. Again don't know just MOOing

I usually keep the stuff like that in my drawer of rumors. Books, didn't think of that. I've been trying to figure out why they flew on a day they weren't legally allowed to? It wasn't uncommon from the articles. Flying the same flight number out the next morning wasn't too bright though. Haven't a clue about this airline or Asian airlines. I do know bad weather, big & small planes though as a passenger.

The late departure that the family spoke of was clarified somewhat. A family member didn't read an email a few weeks before notifying them about changing the departure time. At least I think it's posted here.

 

[Dr. Know?]

1.00PM: A transportation safety investigator says conflicting signals from too many ships may make the search for the QZ8501 black box harder, reports Channel NewsAsia's Sumisha Naidu.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

 

[newone]

I usually keep the stuff like that in my drawer of rumors. Books, didn't think of that. I've been trying to figure out why they flew on a day they weren't legally allowed to? It wasn't uncommon from the articles. Flying the same flight number out the next morning wasn't too bright though. Haven't a clue about this airline or Asian airlines. I do know bad weather, big & small planes though as a passenger.

The late departure that the family spoke of was clarified somewhat. A family member didn't read an email a few weeks before notifying them about changing the departure time. At least I think it's posted here.

That flight leaving earlier ((12 hours daylight)) would be able to squeeze in possibly 3 more flights that day. Flight hours for crew is one thing but what about maintenance records - those would have to be audited and match flight times too ((MOO))?

Yes the earlier time was sent to Passengers via email.....I just thought that was interesting - haven't experienced that.

 

[Dr. Know?]

In our business, unlicensed means uninsured. I hope that isn't true that these families won't be compensated heavily. jmo Rest in Love passengers.

Later!

 

[Bravo]

Off I go as well. Godspeed in finding the Victims and the Black boxes. Night all. Stay safe. Weather here tomorrow is to be nasty so I'll be hanging here with you fine folk.

 

[MsFacetious]

1.30PM: 12 bodies are leaving Pangkalan Bun for Surabaya - eight were flown in today, four from yesterday. Nine of the bodies are male, three female.

1.25PM: The health minister in Surabaya told a news conference at the crisis centre that forensics teams from across Indonesia are trying to identify the bodies retrieved so far from QZ8501,
but only some are undergoing autopsies as some families have declined, citing religious or cultural reasons.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

I do not understand why this is being allowed.
What if some of those not undergoing autopsies were alive and drowned later?
Or what if one of them has been burned from a bomb?
What if we don't know that because they don't have autopsies?

Finding the cause of an aviation accident has the potential to save thousands of lives.
It is unbelievable to me that they are jeopardizing that by not doing autopsies.

When someone is murdered their family doesn't get to decline an autopsy!
The same should apply here. It should be treated as a homicide until proven otherwise.
It could even jeopardize civil proceedings later, if they can't prove how the victim died!

I am all for respecting people's religions, but thousands of lives could be in jeopardy here.
The safety of everyone else flying on the A320 should take priority over the religious beliefs of passengers. :twocents:

 

[MzOpinion8d]

1.30PM: 12 bodies are leaving Pangkalan Bun for Surabaya - eight were flown in today, four from yesterday. Nine of the bodies are male, three female.

1.25PM: The health minister in Surabaya told a news conference at the crisis centre that forensics teams from across Indonesia are trying to identify the bodies retrieved so far from QZ8501,
but only some are undergoing autopsies as some families have declined, citing religious or cultural reasons.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html

I do not understand why this is being allowed.
What if some of those not undergoing autopsies were alive and drowned later?
Or what if one of them has been burned from a bomb?
What if we don't know that because they don't have autopsies?

Finding the cause of an aviation accident has the potential to save thousands of lives.
It is unbelievable to me that they are jeopardizing that by not doing autopsies.

When someone is murdered their family doesn't get to decline an autopsy!
The same should apply here. It should be treated as a homicide until proven otherwise.
It could even jeopardize civil proceedings later, if they can't prove how the victim died!

I am all for respecting people's religions, but thousands of lives could be in jeopardy here.
The safety of everyone else flying on the A320 should take priority over the religious beliefs of passengers. :twocents:

Maybe the airline doesn't want the autopsies if it potentially opens them up for more liability? If they can blame it on weather and have no proof of anyone being alive but dying due to the delay in rescue efforts, it is to their advantage in some way I'm guessing.

Always about the $$$$$

 

[MsFacetious]

So I'm guessing they don't have an NTSB/FAA/FBI over there.
Because this wouldn't be an OPTION here. To deny an autopsy after a plane crash.
It also would have nothing to do with the airline, they wouldn't be the one making that choice.
I'm guessing it's the lax regulations in that part of the world. :twocents:

 

[SouthAussie]

[INDONESIA-NEWS] JKTP - A Day with a Forensic Expert

We usually get about 3,000 bodies each year, and autopsies are carried out on about 50 percent of those. Autopsies are not mandatory in this country for all those who die, only for suspicious criminal deaths.

http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/2000/06/10/0054.html



If foul play or other special circumstances surround the death, the police could ask for an autopsy.

Under normal circumstances, post-mortems are conducted very quickly in Indonesia. Nearly 90 percent of the population in Indonesia is Muslim and Muslim law states that the deceased must be buried by sunset on the day of death if possible. Almost all burials are performed within a 24-hour period.

http://bali.angloinfo.com/information/healthcare/death-dying/


.... under Indonesian law an autopsy can proceed without permission ....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/07/bali-deaths-bischoff-family-reject-indonesian-autopsy

 

[MsFacetious]

Any plane crash should be considered a criminal or suspicious death until the investigation is complete. :twocents:

 

[MsFacetious]

2.15PM: About 60 ships and 20 aircraft are involved in the search for QZ8501 debris and bodies today. A Russian amphibious plane will join the operation. The following map is from Malaysia's Chief of Navy.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html