Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[gregjrichards]

Sorry off I know this is really off topic but I wanted to share this with our Aussie members here. Please share this online and if you are in a community within the affected bushfire areas. The poor burnt koalas need all the help possible. They are beautiful creatures I hope to meet one someday.

"Struggling heat-stricken koalas with burnt paws are in desperate need for mittens followed by the devastating bushfires in South Australia and Victoria.

The International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) has launched a public appeal in a bid to get cotton-made mittens from knitters to help treat injured koalas.

Injured koalas typically come into care with severe burns, especially on their paws, caused by contact with burning trees or from fleeing across fire grounds."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-South-Australia-Victoria.html#ixzz3ODELzyOi

 

[SouthAussie]

Sorry off I know this is really off topic but I wanted to share this with our Aussie members here. Please share this online and if you are in a community within the affected bushfire areas. The poor burnt koalas need all the help possible. They are beautiful creatures I hope to meet one someday.

"Struggling heat-stricken koalas with burnt paws are in desperate need for mittens followed by the devastating bushfires in South Australia and Victoria.

The International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) has launched a public appeal in a bid to get cotton-made mittens from knitters to help treat injured koalas.

Injured koalas typically come into care with severe burns, especially on their paws, caused by contact with burning trees or from fleeing across fire grounds."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-South-Australia-Victoria.html#ixzz3ODELzyOi

Thanks Greg ... these look really easy to sew ... one single seam, any old or new cotton fabric, pattern included in article. I am going to share this on another thread here where a lot of Aussies are.

 

[emirates1957]

Sorry off I know this is really off topic but I wanted to share this with our Aussie members here. Please share this online and if you are in a community within the affected bushfire areas. The poor burnt koalas need all the help possible. They are beautiful creatures I hope to meet one someday.

"Struggling heat-stricken koalas with burnt paws are in desperate need for mittens followed by the devastating bushfires in South Australia and Victoria.

The International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) has launched a public appeal in a bid to get cotton-made mittens from knitters to help treat injured koalas.

Injured koalas typically come into care with severe burns, especially on their paws, caused by contact with burning trees or from fleeing across fire grounds."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-South-Australia-Victoria.html#ixzz3ODELzyOi

Thanks for sharing, how awful and to think many of these fires are deliberate and these horrific injuries can be avoided. In an effort to spread the word, I will post a copy of the cotton paw pattern in the Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar, Rex crew rooms.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

OT/ Poor little Koalas. I love them so.

Yay for Gregjrichards! Welcome home!

Thank Goodness, Emirates1957! :cool2:

 

[SouthAussie]

In the wake of a typical airliner crash, representatives of the engine manufacturer routinely are requested to participate in the investigation, along with the regulatory agency responsible ….

Neither the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, which certified the jetliner's engines, nor General Electric Co … is on the multinational probe, which includes French and Indonesian entities.

Some air-safety experts are puzzled by the delay in seeking U.S. assistance. "That surprises me," said Mark Rosenker, a former NTSB chairman and vice chairman …. "I also would have thought we would be part of the investigation."

On Wednesday, a General Electric spokesman said "we fully expect to join the investigative team" once wreckage is brought to the surface.

Indonesian's decision to hold off enlisting U.S. help is especially puzzling for air-safety experts not involved in the AirAsia matter because the NTSB participated in a series of lower-profile Indonesian probes over the years.

American and Indonesian safety watchdogs have had their share of disagreements, however, stretching back to 2000.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/indon...in-airasia-crash-probe--update-20150107-01093

 

[SouthAussie]

The BBC's Alice Budisatrijo was on board an Indonesian warship tasked with retrieving the tail. She said divers planned to tie a rope to the tail section and then use an inflatable device to pull it out of the water.

However, the currents were too strong for the divers to get near the wreckage.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30723141


Surely there is something they can do. Whatever happened to those deep sea divers outfits with weights that allowed them to drop down and not be quite so affected by currents?

The sea looked relatively calm today, on the surface.

http://www.ibtimes.com/airasia-flig...ted-later-lost-tail-section-partially-1777060

 

[emirates1957]

In the wake of a typical airliner crash, representatives of the engine manufacturer routinely are requested to participate in the investigation, along with the regulatory agency responsible ….

Neither the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, which certified the jetliner's engines, nor General Electric Co … is on the multinational probe, which includes French and Indonesian entities.

Some air-safety experts are puzzled by the delay in seeking U.S. assistance. "That surprises me," said Mark Rosenker, a former NTSB chairman and vice chairman …. "I also would have thought we would be part of the investigation."

On Wednesday, a General Electric spokesman said "we fully expect to join the investigative team" once wreckage is brought to the surface.

Indonesian's decision to hold off enlisting U.S. help is especially puzzling for air-safety experts not involved in the AirAsia matter because the NTSB participated in a series of lower-profile Indonesian probes over the years.

American and Indonesian safety watchdogs have had their share of disagreements, however, stretching back to 2000.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/indon...in-airasia-crash-probe--update-20150107-01093

My thoughts only, suicide and a mix of politics.

 

[SouthAussie]

Three more bodies recovered Thursday raised the total to 43, said Suryadi B. Surpiyadi, a search and rescue operation coordinator.

http://news.yahoo.com/divers-search-black-boxes-crashed-airasia-plane-055950722.html

 

[Hatfield]

Tail section of QZ8501 found 30m underwater ....

Divers equipped with cameras were swimming in waters of 2m to 3m of visibility when they saw the tail on the seabed, partly buried in mud, Basarnas director of operations Suyadi Bambang Supriyandi told reporters at Pangkalan Bun, the centre of search operations.

Weak signals coming from the tail were detected, but vanished when divers got closer, he said.

While lifting the wreckage out of the mud will be a challenge, Mr Indroyono said subsurface vehicles will be able to lift objects weighing up to 250 tonnes.

The required equipment, located in Batam (Indonesia), can be brought here in about 24 hours, he said.

http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/tail-section-qz8501-found-30m-underwater?page=1

Great news they spotted the tail section.

Why wasnt any hoisting devices already out there though. That seems ridiculous and how come we always have to wait 24 hours for everything it seems.

 

[Hatfield]

Three more bodies recovered Thursday raised the total to 43, said Suryadi B. Surpiyadi, a search and rescue operation coordinator.

http://news.yahoo.com/divers-search-black-boxes-crashed-airasia-plane-055950722.html

That is a lot of bodies recovered. 43. About 1/3 already. I am beginning to get very afraid that many more floated away from the wreckage and may never be found. That plane must have exploded apart pretty bad for all these bodies to be found. Since they havent gone down to hoist up any wreckage it means they are finding them floating around. They need to start looking further and further away from wreckage now.

This wreck sounds like a more typical one like we thought where plane breaks apart upon severe impact. Just surprised they didnt spot a lot of floating debris in the immediate days right after it went missing. It is strange they are finding bodies every few days. Maybe some day we will get explanation why things happened that way.

 

[watcher9]

Is the location of the tail close to the shore or slap dab in the middle of the Java Sea?

It seems to me like they could position some of the ships or even lower some fishing nets upwind of the site so the hull or the net would block some of the winds and undercurrents to aid the divers in the recovery of the tail and the boxes. Aren't we talking about less than a hundred feet down in that location?

 

[MsFacetious]

Actually I think it's possible the other bodies are still in the plane. :twocents:

 

[Tssiemer]

Sorry off I know this is really off topic but I wanted to share this with our Aussie members here. Please share this online and if you are in a community within the affected bushfire areas. The poor burnt koalas need all the help possible. They are beautiful creatures I hope to meet one someday.

"Struggling heat-stricken koalas with burnt paws are in desperate need for mittens followed by the devastating bushfires in South Australia and Victoria.

The International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) has launched a public appeal in a bid to get cotton-made mittens from knitters to help treat injured koalas.

Injured koalas typically come into care with severe burns, especially on their paws, caused by contact with burning trees or from fleeing across fire grounds."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-South-Australia-Victoria.html#ixzz3ODELzyOi

Struggling mid westerners in America are struggling with frost bite and need mittens too.


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[SouthAussie]

Is the location of the tail close to the shore or slap dab in the middle of the Java Sea?

It seems to me like they could position some of the ships or even lower some fishing nets upwind of the site so the hull or the net would block some of the winds and undercurrents to aid the divers in the recovery of the tail and the boxes. Aren't we talking about less than a hundred feet down in that location?

Seriously, the relaxed manner is driving me nutty. ullhair:

We can hang and drag cables and equipment 6,000 ft down searching for MH370 in one of the wildest oceans on this planet, we can conduct insanely treacherous rescues in the ferocious Atlantic, rescue people from collapsing boats in the Timor Sea ... let some experience assist you, Indonesia!!

It seems as though they all go home, have tea and a chat, and come up with tomorrow's plan - then whoops, the weather is bad (during monsoon season) yet again, and the day's plan is foiled.

 

[SouthAussie]

That is a lot of bodies recovered. 43. About 1/3 already. I am beginning to get very afraid that many more floated away from the wreckage and may never be found. That plane must have exploded apart pretty bad for all these bodies to be found. Since they havent gone down to hoist up any wreckage it means they are finding them floating around. They need to start looking further and further away from wreckage now.

This wreck sounds like a more typical one like we thought where plane breaks apart upon severe impact. Just surprised they didnt spot a lot of floating debris in the immediate days right after it went missing. It is strange they are finding bodies every few days. Maybe some day we will get explanation why things happened that way.

BBM: I read that due to gasses and bloating, some will pop up later.

 

[newone]

Seriously, the relaxed manner is driving me nutty. ullhair:

We can hang and drag cables and equipment 6,000 ft down searching for MH370 in one of the wildest oceans on this planet, we can conduct insanely treacherous rescues in the ferocious Atlantic, rescue people from collapsing boats in the Timor Sea ... let some experience assist you, Indonesia!!

It seems as though they all go home, have tea and a chat, and come up with tomorrow's plan - then whoops, the weather is bad (during monsoon season) yet again, and the day's plan is foiled.

bbm: very polite way of putting it......I have other adjectives which I am reluctant to express in case I offend

 

[SouthAussie]

Brief underwater video at this link of divers looking around the tail. Makes me understand even less why we don't have equipment and people down there right now. :sigh:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30733797

 

[SouthAussie]

Soelistyo said, if weather allowed, retrieval experts would try to lift the tail off the seabed on Friday, which would give divers access into the wreckage and search for the black boxes.

He said the lifting could be done with special airbags or a crane, all of which would be brought to the Banda Aceh and another naval ship in the area on Friday.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25934119/indonesian-divers-struggle-to-reach-airasia-wreckage/


I guess there was no point bringing the crane/special airbags to the Banda Aceh yesterday, in preparation for today .. which will probably be another bad-weather day anyway.

 

[Boodles]

They haven't even found the other parts yet, have they? They're still looking at the tail. Maybe they should try telekinesis! Geez...I wonder what the US Navy would do. I know currents are dangerous. But they're tethered, right? I'm trying to remember how the Koreans got the ferry up. They had horrible conditions...

 

[Tssiemer]

If there was an American on that flight the USA would have already pushed Indonesia over and done this search themselves.


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