Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[MsFacetious]

You cannot tell if someone drowned without an autopsy.
They have to look at the lungs to determine that.
If they drowned they survived the impact, it's as simple as that.
Which means, we will not know how many people survived the crash.

The injuries of those in the tail section differ from those in the front.
All of that information is used to further the research to make flying safer.

My outrage isn't going to change anything but it won't stop me from being outraged. :twocents:

 

[SouthAussie]

Koala Mitten Update

This is for gregjrichards, and anyone else who is interested ... I saw a lady on TV this morning who was thrilled to bits, so happy. They have received boxes and boxes of cotton mittens from all over the world for the burned and injured koalas. Says the mittens help to keep the bandages and meds on the koalas' burned paws, and promote healing.
She couldn't thank everyone enough.

 

[itzkatiex0]

Yeah but we have to respect their beliefs even if we don't agree. If the landing was successful (the recorders would show that especially the CVR), autopsies won't do anything to save future lives. Everything would have been done right with the plane and they still would have died. There was no help. The plane had no option but to sink. They still would have drowned. Nothing would have changed that. To me it seems we already know what happened. The plane endured bad weather and they seemed to of tried to land on the water while possibly going too fast. There was no help and everyone drowned. Nothing would have changed that whether or not they survived. They were in the middle of an ocean and help wouldn't have arrived for hours like it did. They were doomed. Whether anyone survived to me, IMO, doesn't matter. They STILL would have died. An autopsy isn't gonna change those findings. Now we just need to mechanically find out why and see what changes can be made to the PLANES.

 

[gregjrichards]

Koala Mitten Update

This is for gregjrichards, and anyone else who is interested ... I saw a lady on TV this morning who was thrilled to bits, so happy. They have received boxes and boxes of cotton mittens from all over the world for the burned and injured koalas. Says the mittens help to keep the bandages and meds on the koalas' burned paws, and promote healing.
She couldn't thank everyone enough.

Fantastic news thank you so much for this update SouthAussie it has made me smile after a day of being really unwell. I didn't doubt there would be a large response I know how well Australians pull together in times of crisis affecting man or animal. It's amazing there has been contributions from around the world. I hope everyone and all the animals are on the road to recovery. I'm determined to visit your great country to see Sydney, Melbourne and meet some koalas. It's going to be a tough trip due to my disability but it will be so worth it I'm sure. Thanks again for this update and for your posts about the plane.

 

[PrairieWind]

I agree. I think the cause of death will be apparent without an autopsy, but I might be wrong. I think most of those poor souls prob died on impact. Regardless, with the tail and perhaps front torn off, that fuselage would have sank very very quickly. I agree, there was really no chance for those people.

 

[itzkatiex0]

I agree. I think the cause of death will be apparent without an autopsy, but I might be wrong. I think most of those poor souls prob died on impact. Regardless, with the tail and perhaps front torn off, that fuselage would have sank very very quickly. I agree, there was really no chance for those people.

If they did survive though I can't imagine the horror.. Knowing you survived a horrific crash but are gonna drown no matter what.. and those poor babies. They didnt even know what would happen if they did survive impact. We need even better technology to track planes. If we can hit a button on a computer and find an exact location of an iPhone why does it take hours, days (or never) to find a plane? I just don't understand that. We have got to get better tracking for them. Instead we spend billions of dollars on things we don't need. It makes me sad and mad all at the same time.

 

[gregjrichards]

I agree. I think the cause of death will be apparent without an autopsy, but I might be wrong. I think most of those poor souls prob died on impact. Regardless, with the tail and perhaps front torn off, that fuselage would have sank very very quickly. I agree, there was really no chance for those people.

Yeah at least some autopsies are being done which should be a good indicator of cause of death. I also hope most of those onboard died on the decent down or on impact but as we have discussed the emergency slide didn't inflate itself. I just hope they figure out to the best of their ability what happened and see if any steps can be taken to prevent it in future.

If my current theory is correct that pitot tubes froze over again like Air France AF447 causing inaccurate readings resulting in the pilots stalling the plane it will be a big problem to overcome.

 

[gregjrichards]

If they did survive though I can't imagine the horror.. Knowing you survived a horrific crash but are gonna drown no matter what.. and those poor babies. They didnt even know what would happen if they did survive impact. We need even better technology to track planes. If we can hit a button on a computer and find an exact location of an iPhone why does it take hours, days (or never) to find a plane? I just don't understand that. We have got to get better tracking for them. Instead we spend billions of dollars on things we don't need. It makes me sad and mad all at the same time.

The latest technology exists to track planes but as always it boils down to money and making the airlines willing to pay for it. It is going to take worldwide leglislation/regulation to make this happen. It needs to be mandatory that all new aircraft are fitted with the technology and if possible for planes to be retrofitted. Too much time and money has been spent already searching for MH370 that could have been avoided. The aircraft regulatory bodies need to address this serious problem as a matter of urgency.

 

[itzkatiex0]

The latest technology exists to track planes but as always it boils down to money and making the airlines willing to pay for it. It is going to take worldwide leglislation/regulation to make this happen. It needs to be mandatory that all new aircraft are fitted with the technology and if possible for planes to be retrofitted. Too much time and money has been spent already searching for MH370 that could have been avoided. The aircraft regulatory bodies need to address this serious problem as a matter of urgency.

Agreed. Something needs to be done.

 

[Zuri]

Just listening to ABC World News. David Muir reported that Indonesia is attempting to handle the cockpit recording analysis themselves, don't have the proper lab to do it, and it may take 2 weeks for results. One of the experts said the current could be responsible for the pieces of the plane being two miles apart.

Do you all concur with this? And why wouldn't Indonesia ask another country to help with the recorders?

 

[Hope32]

interesting read from the simthsonian about evacuation slides... http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/how-things-work-evacuation-slides-22196601/?no-ist

 

[panthera]

In his Facebook post, Dr Ng said: “We have informed BASARNAS, the Indonesian search authority who can now begin recovery operations.”

He hoped that with the fuselage now located, “some form of closure can come to the families of the victims to ease their grief”.

He added: “I would also like to thank all our SAF servicemen who have given this mission their all to help the Indonesians recover the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, and the fuselage. Especially to the crew of MV Swift Rescue, you never gave up - well done.”

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore-navy-ship-finds-fuselage-wings-air-asia-qz8501-found


:clap:

Kudos to Dr. Ng for the very articulate post and may prayers for those who must retrieve the fuselage and those who are buried in and around it.

Blessings to all of them.

 

[panthera]

If a wing is still attached, might that infer the plane did not enter the sea vertically? After they recover the bodies, all I then hope for is to hear that there were no survivors upon impact (or preferably before impact). I can't stand the idea that the victims may have suffered and their loved ones could find out that the plane landed at sea and they waited in a floating plane for a rescue that never came.

We we need to get GPS tracking devices on planes! It's just common sense!

I'm so grateful the fuselage has been found! Thanks to all for the updates.

I seriously doubt the plane floated and anyone was waiting for a rescue that never came, due to the fact that passengers have been found still strapped into their seats. One would imagine had they been alive after the plane crashed into the sea they would be attempting to exit the aircraft. Just hopeful they didn't suffer much.



MOO

 

[itzkatiex0]

Its what.. 9:30 am there.. Any new reports of them diving down to the fuselage? And if so have they found anymore victims?

 

[sherlockh]

I seriously doubt the plane floated and anyone was waiting for a rescue that never came, due to the fact that passengers have been found still strapped into their seats. One would imagine had they been alive after the plane crashed into the sea they would be attempting to exit the aircraft. Just hopeful they didn't suffer much.



MOO

Not only that but nobody had time to put on their life jackets even. If the pilots had tried to land they would have told the passengers to put on their life jackets and sent out distress signals. It seems the crash happened too quickly for any of this. The slide would have inflated automatically when the armed door was ripped off. If autopsies show that people drowned then that doesn't mean they were conscious after impact. Either way, I am sure the black boxes will show what happened exactly. All JMO.

 

[Bravo]

I do believe we will get answers, most importantly that the loved one's get a reason for this tragedy. There were times I feared this recovery would end without results. Thankfully there were no further casualties. Looking at those happy,vibrant folks who are no longer with us is heartbreaking.

 

[itzkatiex0]

Not only that but nobody had time to put on their life jackets even. If the pilots had tried to land they would have told the passengers to put on their life jackets and sent out distress signals. It seems the crash happened too quickly for any of this. The slide would have inflated automatically when the armed door was ripped off. If autopsies show that people drowned then that doesn't mean they were conscious after impact. Either way, I am sure the black boxes will show what happened exactly. All JMO.

To be honest I'm not sure how autopsies would really even help. All it would show is what killed them. Most likely the impact did them in.. If not, it was drowning. If impact didn't kill them, they drowned. there's nothing that can be done in the future to fix that. they unfortunately still would have drown.

 

[Bravo]

Blog with updates

w.channwwelnewsasia.com/news/live-blog-search/1583898.html

 

[panthera]

Not only that but nobody had time to put on their life jackets even. If the pilots had tried to land they would have told the passengers to put on their life jackets and sent out distress signals. It seems the crash happened too quickly for any of this. The slide would have inflated automatically when the armed door was ripped off. If autopsies show that people drowned then that doesn't mean they were conscious after impact. Either way, I am sure the black boxes will show what happened exactly. All JMO.

Exactly, and yes, hopefully the black boxes will reveal just what did happen. It does appear the plane may have hit the water in a more horizontal direction,however, rather than a steep vertical nose dive.

MOO

 

[itzkatiex0]

I don't see anything new on the live blog updates.. Does anyone else?