Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[newone]

Please correct me if wrong. The F/A who was found, was she a trainee ? If she was a trainee maybe she was seated at the L1/R1 door and activated the armed exit slide. If she was seated at the rear of the A/C considering what we know so far, a crew member would have sustained the first impact which would render them incapable. Whoever activated that slide should be remembered as a hero. Will this lady have an autopsy. So many questions. I do hope the families of the deceased receive full disclosure of all events.

She was the first one identified ((wooden casket))....one of the first to be found

''Haidar Fauzie, 60, said his youngest child and only daughter, Khairunnisa Haidar, was a flight attendant who had worked with AirAsia for two years.

On learning about the crash, he struggled to console his grieving wife. They last saw their child six weeks ago, when she returned home on holiday.

"From the start, we already knew the risks associated with being a stewardess," Fauzie said. "She is beautiful and smart. It has always been her dream to fly. We couldn't have stopped her."

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....ng_flight_attendant_recovered_from_crash.html

 

[emirates1957]

She was the first one identified ((wooden casket))....one of the first to be found

''Haidar Fauzie, 60, said his youngest child and only daughter, Khairunnisa Haidar, was a flight attendant who had worked with AirAsia for two years.

On learning about the crash, he struggled to console his grieving wife. They last saw their child six weeks ago, when she returned home on holiday.

"From the start, we already knew the risks associated with being a stewardess," Fauzie said. "She is beautiful and smart. It has always been her dream to fly. We couldn't have stopped her."

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....ng_flight_attendant_recovered_from_crash.html

Much appreciated Newone.

 

[Peliman]

I think they are going to need to pass laws or regulations making planes have better locator systems in case of a missing airliner. The money spent on Flight MH370 and this one could probably equip every plane in the air with a better locator system. If a 37 thousand foot fall didn't kill everyone, any survivors would die from exposure waiting for a rescue over water.

 

[emirates1957]

I think they are going to need to pass laws or regulations making planes have better locator systems in case of a missing airliner. The money spent on Flight MH370 and this one could probably equip every plane in the air with a better locator system. If a 37 thousand foot fall didn't kill everyone, any survivors would die from exposure waiting for a rescue over water.

My thoughts only Peliman, I don't think its the locators on board, it's those who search for them.

 

[newone]

I think they are going to need to pass laws or regulations making planes have better locator systems in case of a missing airliner. The money spent on Flight MH370 and this one could probably equip every plane in the air with a better locator system. If a 37 thousand foot fall didn't kill everyone, any survivors would die from exposure waiting for a rescue over water.

bbm: that's the heartbreaker -- ocean temperature is survivable.....but the weather and the reticence to aggressively deal with the downed aircraft (they waited hours didn't they before they were 'sure' it had gone down),,,,,nixed those chances MOO

they would have succumbed to dehydration and injuries

 

[Snoods]

Please correct me if wrong. The F/A who was found, was she a trainee ? If she was a trainee maybe she was seated at the L1/R1 door and activated the armed exit slide. If she was seated at the rear of the A/C considering what we know so far, a crew member would have sustained the first impact which would render them incapable. Whoever activated that slide should be remembered as a hero. Will this lady have an autopsy. So many questions. I do hope the families of the deceased receive full disclosure of all events.

emirates, the flight attendant Khairunnisa Haidar Fauzi, unfortunately did not have an autopsy done. Her body was flown home to her relatives on January 1, one day after she was identified.

Autopsies will only be performed on the pilot, co-pilot and a few randomly selected passengers whose families will allow it.

I agree, so many questions which will probably never be answered.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/68258
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/03/world/asia/airasia-disaster/

 

[Peliman]

My thoughts only Peliman, I don't think it the locators on board, it's those who search for them.

My thoughts also emirates. My thoughts are going along the lines of quickly reaching the crash location for the outside chance there were any survivors. I had an inkling the first victim shown may have been a survivor, the unclothed one.

 

[newone]

My thoughts also emirates. My thoughts are going along the lines of quickly reaching the crash location for the outside chance there were any survivors. I had an inkling the first victim shown may have been a survivor, the unclothed one.

bbm: I agree! That first victim found floating was actually a man (((most thought it was a woman))) and his shirt had ridden up...my thoughts were that he kicked off the shoes and swam for it ....

 

[emirates1957]

Thank you Snoods and Peliman.

 

[emirates1957]

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bbm: I agree! That first victim found floating was actually a man (((most thought it was a woman))) and his shirt had ridden up...my thoughts were that he kicked off the shoes and swam for it ....

That's an interesting thought, he kicked off his shoes. Yes would make sense.

 

[newone]

latest breaking news on boxes just in

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/11/indonesia-airplane-idUSL3N0UQ05S20150111

"Indonesian search teams believe they have found the fuselage of an AirAsia airliner that crashed in the Java Sea two weeks ago, and divers hope calmer waters on Monday will allow them to retrieve the black box flight recorders."

and there's more

""The ping was detected about one kilometre (0.6 miles) east of the tail," Supriyadi told AFP at the search headquarters of Panglakun Bun.''

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/162503-strong-signals-detected-in-airasia-black-box-hunt

 

[Snoods]

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bbm: I agree! That first victim found floating was actually a man (((most thought it was a woman))) and his shirt had ridden up...my thoughts were that he kicked off the shoes and swam for it ....

I thought that was a woman too! Was he the only victim found without clothes?

Great point, newone. I would also remove my pants, shoes and shirt if I was treading water to stay afloat. It looks like he was only wearing an undershirt and underwear when found, correct?

 

[newone]

I thought that was a woman too! Was he the only victim found without clothes?

Great point, newone. I would also remove my pants, shoes and shirt if I was treading water to stay afloat. It looks like he was only wearing an undershirt and underwear when found, correct?

t shirt and skivvies

when the flight attendant was found - MSM indicated that she was noticeable by her bright red uniform

and then there is the issue of the raft deployment - someone had to do that --

 

[Snoods]

t shirt and skivvies

There you go. If the force of the crash removed his clothes I would think it would remove all of them, not just selective items, correct?

 

[newone]

There you go. If the force of the crash removed his clothes I would think it would remove all of them, not just selective items, correct?

yes I would think so....

 

[Snoods]

And we'll probably never know who or if someone survived the initial impact.

Was there a raft found? I thought it was determined to be a slide? :scared:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There you go. If the force of the crash removed his clothes I would think it would remove all of them, not just selective items, correct?

Maybe not. I wish I could recall where I read about the way crashes into water remove the clothing, but it gave a decent explanation for how it happens. Women's clothing is easier to come off than men's because it often is more delicate and loosely fitted. Plus men wear shirts that are buttoned up or hard to get on/off over the head if you think about it.

 

[newone]

And we'll probably never know who or if someone survived the initial impact.

Was there a raft found? I thought it was determined to be a slide? :scared:

here's photo

can't imbed for some reason grrr

http://www.tnp.sg/news/board-search-qz8501

 

[newone]

The slide had to be manually deployed and cannot be activated on impact. It will be interesting to see what the autopsies reveal as to whether anybody was still alive once the A/C hit the water. When I arrived at work this morning one of our senior Pilot's believed the engine had a de-icing situation not wing but engine. Had to go into a training course so I couldn't quiz him further.

bringing this back into the forefront.....thanks for this

 

[Snoods]

It looks like a slide to me. And I believe emirates said that life rafts are a bright color, correct emirates?

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