Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[SouthAussie]

This is insane. Since they're throwing in the towel, does that mean another government could step in and resume efforts? One that's experienced and professional????? Can the relatives sue the government for giving up??? Argh!!

I wonder what other govt would step in. Malaysia (Indonesian AirAsia is 49% owned by Malaysian AirAsia) would likely be just as useless and unwilling imo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia_Flight_8501

 

[Dr. Know?]

I guess I missed this. 2 days off? No recovery effort by anyone? Oh those poor families. One month and they quit? I honestly thought/hoped they would ask for help from other countries again before quitting. smdh

IZ Reloaded ‏@izreloaded · 11h11 hours ago
BASARNAS have yet to receive official order to stop recovery of #QZ8501, give their men 2 days break. Indonesia military stop ops today.

https://twitter.com/izreloaded/status/560101080978034688

 

[Dr. Know?]

Indonesia needs way better public relations if it's true no one is searching or rescuing tonight or tomorrow (their day & the day after). All the tweets are tweeting, Indonesia will continue searching. No links just that statement. Who? When? Where? What are they going to do?

I've so held back since I thought as well as others that the focus was obviously on the black boxes over finding the crash victims. Then they use balloons to bring up the tail and drag it at a 45 degree angle onto a tugboat! After sending all other countries home who could help. What do you expect dropping the main fuselage 2x more to the floor of the sea? Too fragile to lift. fgs! Then to watch the videos of the (2nd attempt) straps snapping I am just po'd now.

Very disappointed right now in Indonesia. Sad to say but there is and was help, right there. Loyal countries willing to help. It doesn't make sense to me.

My apologies for my rant.

Prayers for the families of QZ8501. RIP & RIL QZ8501.

 

[Snoods]

[video=twitter;560287787551707137]https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/560287787551707137?lang=en[/video]

 

[emirates1957]

It's staggering in this day and age that the debris cannot be lifted. Up thread it mentioned that fisherman could see the outline of an engine (and their FISHERMAN) !!! I wonder if family members could collectively fund a team of divers to retrieve the deceased ? Human life is simply not important in Indonesia. Words fail me.

 

[Snoods]

I know, it's mind-boggling. That crossed my mind too emirates, about the families hiring divers on their own.

I wonder what they would have done if the plane had crashed in water too deep for divers to reach it? Another 30 feet or so and I guess there wouldn't have been ANY wreckage or victims recovered unless they were floating on the surface.

 

[SouthAussie]

The preliminary report of the investigation into the 28 December crash of an AirAsia A320 into the Java Sea ought to have been released yesterday, and appears to be slowly leaking out.

A report suggesting there may (stress may) have been a maintenance problem with part of the computer based flight control systems on the jet has appeared behind the paywall of the Straits Times, but the site is quite generous in terms of disclosing much of the story ....

“There appears to be some issue with the FAC (Flight Augmentation Computers),” a person familiar with the investigation said ...

A second person familiar with the probe said investigators were looking at how the pilots dealt with the chain of events leading up to the crash.

.... the references to the control system make sense of earlier opaque mentions of possible component failure in jet by Indonesian officials early in the New Year.


A very interesting read ... http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetal...rasia-preliminary-crash-report-springs-leaks/

 

[SouthAussie]

I think this may be the Straits Times article that crikey.com are referring to.


"In October, airlines were given four years to upgrade FACs on A320 jets at the next repair after a design review. An emergency European safety directive in December instructed crew how to disable computerised flight protections themselves but only in extremely rare circumstances."

http://www.nst.com.my/node/71095

 

[SouthAussie]

Okay .. I have been looking for the FACS design flaw. If you read the comment by VADM at this blog archive, they say that Airbus believes the on-board computer has the last say and can override the Captain.

http://aviationweek.com/blog/1987-a320-first-flight-remembered


Another one about 'Faulty Wire Installation Cited in A320 Control Problem'.

http://flightsafety.org/amb/amb_nov-dec03.pdf


Another one about blocked sensors issues on the A320 - leading to autopilot disconnect, and other things that I don't understand.

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-503248.html


.... if anyone is interested, of course. :blush:

 

[Snoods]

I'm very interested, that's great information SA! I remember a crash investigator on a documentary saying something like "no plane crash is ever caused by one thing. It's always a series of things." Sounds like that may be the case here?

 

[MsFacetious]

This is EXACTLY what I was afraid of. verreaction:

 

[emirates1957]

I'm very interested, that's great information SA! I remember a crash investigator on a documentary saying something like "no plane crash is ever caused by one thing. It's always a series of things." Sounds like that may be the case here?

Swiss cheese effect.

 

[emirates1957]

Okay .. I have been looking for the FACS design flaw. If you read the comment by VADM at this blog archive, they say that Airbus believes the on-board computer has the last say and can override the Captain.

http://aviationweek.com/blog/1987-a320-first-flight-remembered




Another one about 'Faulty Wire Installation Cited in A320 Control Problem'.

http://flightsafety.org/amb/amb_nov-dec03.pdf


Another one about blocked sensors issues on the A320 - leading to autopilot disconnect, and other things that I don't understand.

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-503248.html


.... if anyone is interested, of course. :blush:

Will have a check with the engineers.

 

[gregjrichards]

I know, it's mind-boggling. That crossed my mind too emirates, about the families hiring divers on their own.

I wonder what they would have done if the plane had crashed in water too deep for divers to reach it? Another 30 feet or so and I guess there wouldn't have been ANY wreckage or victims recovered unless they were floating on the surface.

I think AirAsia should step in and pay a private firm from somewhere in the world to recover the plane and any remains. Tony Fernandez the Airline owner and CEO is a multi, multi millionaire and can certainly afford it. To just leave the plane and any remains dumped in the ocean forever is inhumane and the victims families should be kicking up h£ll about this.

I wonder how this crash will affect AirAsia and tourism in the region given the recovery has been an unmitigated disaster.

Thanks for all your updates about the recover and posts about issues with the plane which are very interesting.

 

[gregjrichards]

The head of Indonesia's search and rescue agency on Wednesday vowed to continue the search for victims of AirAsia Flight 8501, despite the country's military withdrawing from the search Tuesday, a month after the crash.

"The search operation will continue. I repeat, the search and rescue operation is still on," Bambang Soelistyo, chief of the rescue agency, known as BASARNAS, told reporters Wednesday morning. So far 70 bodies have been recovered but 92 are still missing after the Airbus A320 crashed en route to Singapore with 162 people aboard on Dec. 28.

The search agency could call on the military again for assistance if needed. Soelistyo said searchers don't believe any more bodies are within the plane's fuselage, which remains submerged in the Java Sea after unsuccessful efforts to raise the wreckage.

The search for more bodies will resume Saturday and will consist of seven ships, 60 divers and eight salvage experts. An air search will be conducted as well, Soelistyo said. If no bodies are found in seven days of searching, the search would be evaluated on a daily basis, he said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ai...spite-military-withdrawal-agency-says-n295036

 

[jslk]

How this is panning out is beyond belief. The poor families [emoji17]

 

[PrairieWind]

The preliminary report of the investigation into the 28 December crash of an AirAsia A320 into the Java Sea ought to have been released yesterday, and appears to be slowly leaking out.

A report suggesting there may (stress may) have been a maintenance problem with part of the computer based flight control systems on the jet has appeared behind the paywall of the Straits Times, but the site is quite generous in terms of disclosing much of the story ....

“There appears to be some issue with the FAC (Flight Augmentation Computers),” a person familiar with the investigation said ...

A second person familiar with the probe said investigators were looking at how the pilots dealt with the chain of events leading up to the crash.

.... the references to the control system make sense of earlier opaque mentions of possible component failure in jet by Indonesian officials early in the New Year.


A very interesting read ... http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetal...rasia-preliminary-crash-report-springs-leaks/

Its going to be very interesting to see what the final report says. Starting to look like the computers may be involved, which i don't think is that surprising. This is a big deal for Airbus, because this problem keeps cropping up.

 

[MsFacetious]

This is why I refuse to fly on an Airbus.
I prefer a plane where the pilot is more in control than the computer.
DH agrees... and he is a computer guy. We will not fly on an Airbus.
We have actually CHANGED flights when the plane was going to be an Airbus. :twocents:

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't actively avoid airbus aircraft for safety concerns. I think all things considered, they are very safe in normal conditions. If I was going to fly in an area where I knew there would be a storm I might be more concerned, especially at night. Seems that some of these incidents occur because the pilot and computer disagree and are based on incorrect data. If the pilot has no visual ability to see what is going on (night or in a storm) he must trust the instruments. And since the computer controls and is controlled by the instruments, a malfunction can be disasterous. I am not a pilot, but that is basically what I believe happened with AF 447.

 

[Snoods]

The French copilot’s family files legal case against AirAsia over Indonesia crash

The family of the French copilot in the 28 December crash of an AirAsia plane off Indonesia has lodged a legal complaint against the company in Paris, because it apparently did not have authorisation to fly the route.

Because a French national was on board Paris prosecutors had already opened an inquiry into possible manslaughter.

Plésel’s family wants an investigating magistrate, who would have more powers, to be named.

http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-paci...ref=partage_user&aef_campaign_date=2015-01-28