Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[Skittles]

Two more people were identified today:

"The bodies of passenger Yuni Astutik and AirAsia flight attendant Oscar Desano have also been identified, officials added."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-retrieving-the/1583898.html

 

[Tssiemer]

So did they find the fuselage or not?


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[MsFacetious]

CNN says yes, everywhere says no.
I'm going with "maybe but they aren't sure what it is yet."
I'm guessing CNN jumped the gun when it was reported they found something large.
It sounds like they now believe it is the engine.

 

[newone]

Two more people were identified today:

"The bodies of passenger Yuni Astutik and AirAsia flight attendant Oscar Desano have also been identified, officials added."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-retrieving-the/1583898.html

thanks for the update:

Yuni was sitting in 12F

 

[SouthAussie]

The head of the Indonesian rescue agency searching the ocean for bodies from the doomed AirAsia flight QZ8501 has reportedly said he is unsure all victims will be recovered.

VIVAnews news portal says Bambang Soelistyo, the head of national search and rescue agency Basarnas, told a parliamentary hearing the likelihood was only 20 per cent.

"As operation commander I still have hope (to find all victims)," VIVAnews said Soelistyo told the hearing on Tuesday.

But he said the period of search and rescue operation had been extended twice and there must be an end to it.

He said he would travel to Surabaya to give an explanation to the victims' families.

Rescuers remain hopeful large numbers of bodies will be found still strapped in their chairs when the plane's main body is found.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/slim-ch...dies-from-airasia-flight-20150113-12nfqg.html


At first I thought that meant that all ops will stop, but I think it means that they will stop scouring the ocean for floating people.

 

[newone]

The reluctance of full out ocean search from the beginning set the recovery of victims up for failure (MOO) .... hope that SAR will be outfitted with better vessels immediately and perhaps they should consider job shadowing with coast guards of other nations to see how it is done properly MOO

 

[Tssiemer]

Do you guys think it's bad that all I'm thinking is "America would have done a much better job. " Does that make me ethnocentric? Like, "America is so much better at this stuff let us take over!"

It doesn't feel right.


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[Tssiemer]

The head of the Indonesian rescue agency searching the ocean for bodies from the doomed AirAsia flight QZ8501 has reportedly said he is unsure all victims will be recovered.

RSBM


At first I thought that meant that all ops will stop, but I think it means that they will stop scouring the ocean for floating people.

I wonder how many bodies just kinda floated away and sank again.

What is the rate of decomp under water like that? Is there any like fish activity on the bodies?


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[newone]

Do you guys think it's bad that all I'm thinking is "America would have done a much better job. " Does that make me ethnocentric? Like, "America is so much better at this stuff let us take over!"

It doesn't feel right.



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let's add: UK, Norway, Australia, Korea, Japan, Canada and a few more to that list of countries that have better SAR capabilities and drive to assist others. There may be others that I am leaving out and I apologize for that.

even with the horrid Korean disaster there was immediate launch of coast guard and they stuck with the task!

 

[raisincharlie]

I wonder how many bodies just kinda floated away and sank again.

What is the rate of decomp under water like that? Is there any like fish activity on the bodies?


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Given the reported water temps of 80 plus degrees, and all the bad weather, I fear that several victims may be nowhere near the search areas and may never be recovered. Add in the seat listings of the victims recovered and my fears expand as it seems that 12 rows of seating will not yield the remaining 114 victims sadly.


Thanks to all for the updates.

 

[Snoods]

It's nice to remember the passengers by face, not just name and seat number but boy is it heartbreaking. :tears::tears::tears::tears: thank you for sharing.

I know, I feel badly describing them as just a name and seat number; this helps to humanize the victims in a small way.

 

[emirates1957]

Given the reported water temps of 80 plus degrees, and all the bad weather, I fear that several victims may be nowhere near the search areas and may never be recovered. Add in the seat listings of the victims recovered and my fears expand as it seems that 12 rows of seating will not yield the remaining 114 victims sadly.


Thanks to all for the updates.

I'm guessing there would have been a number of pax who did not have their seat belts on. Hopefully the majority did and will be found attached to their seats as awful as it may sound.

 

[Snoods]

Flight attendant Oscar Desano has been identified. (I wasn't able to find a picture of Yuni Astutik.)

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...rew-member-oscar-desanos-wife-pregnant-and-de

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25866716/airasia-flight-attendants-eerie-tweets/

 

[Snoods]

Here we go again. I hope this is the fuselage this time.

[video=twitter;555209824867065857]https://twitter.com/STcom/status/555209824867065857?lang=en[/video]

 

[gregjrichards]

"The fuselage, or main body, of the plane is believed to have been found by a ship scanning for wreckage northeast of where the tail section was previously discovered, said Supriyadi, an operations coordinator at Indonesia's national search and rescue agency who goes by only one name.

But he said he hasn't seen the full report on the reported discovery yet -- and it hasn't been confirmed so far by the head of the search and rescue agency."

New update to CNN page about the crash http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/13/asia/airasia-disaster/

Thanks for all your posts and updates. I hope more remains will be found for the loved ones families who must be suffering terribly.

 

[gregjrichards]

Flight attendant Oscar Desano has been identified. (I wasn't able to find a picture of Yuni Astutik.)

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...rew-member-oscar-desanos-wife-pregnant-and-de

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25866716/airasia-flight-attendants-eerie-tweets/

R.I.P everyone on board. It is very hard looking at all victims photos on websleuths whether by a terrible crime or a tragic event like this. It just brings it home that you need to keep appreciating being able to keep on living when so many don't get the chance. I was in tears when I read the post about the remains of a little one still being missing when their parents had been found. The dad still had the baby carrier with him it's just very very sad indeed.

 

[Snoods]

It is very hard looking at all victims photos on websleuths whether by a terrible crime or a tragic event like this. It just brings it home that you need to keep appreciating being able to keep on living when so many don't get the chance. I was in tears when I read the post about the remains of a little one still being missing when their parents had been found. The dad still had the baby carrier with him it's just very very sad indeed.

That was so sad hearing that detail about the baby carrier. And sadly I doubt the little 11 month old girl will ever be found.

 

[newone]

Do you guys think it's bad that all I'm thinking is "America would have done a much better job. " Does that make me ethnocentric? Like, "America is so much better at this stuff let us take over!"

It doesn't feel right.


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No I don't think you are a bad person at all - I suspect you are wishing that the Indonesians just had the ''right stuff''. The US Coast Guard is known and respected for doing amazing recoveries under very challenging circumstances.

Maybe we should email SAR in Indonesia the manual. There is a ''coordinated'' effort in most parts of the world between the military and Coast Guard to scope the situation first and most nations have excellent helicopters - I don't know where the failures occurred with Indonesia not being able to respond within minutes instead of days......((rhymes with daze -- hmm))

let's send them the manual

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg534/On Scene/OSsummer2007.pdf

 

[SouthAussie]

PANGKALAN BUN/INDONESIA:
Indonesian divers Wednesday investigated an object believed to be the fuselage of the crashed AirAsia jet and the resting place of most of the victims, after retrieving the black boxes of the plane that went down with 162 people on board.

Scores of divers on Wednesday shifted their focus to investigating an object thought to the jet's main body, which was earlier spotted on sonar scans and is lying about two miles (three kilometres) from where the plane's tail was found.

Search and rescue agency official S.B. Supriyadi said if the object, which is lying about 30 metres (100 feet) under water, turned out to be the fuselage, divers would examine how it could be raised from the water.

"If it is not too heavy, we may lift the whole piece and evacuate the victims," Supriyadi, who is coordinating what has been a huge, international search, told AFP.

"If it's too heavy, we may then swim into the fuselage and pull out the bodies one by one before lifting it."

But he cautioned it would be a complex operation that could take several days.

"Retrieving the main part of the body poses a different challenge to retrieving the black boxes. We are working with larger plane parts and then there's a possibility of victims trapped inside," he said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[SouthAussie]

Mr Tatang said a preliminary report on the plane crash may be ready within a month while a final report will take a year or longer.

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/cockpit-voice-recorder-retrieved-sea#sthash.r7dSyTmW.dpuf