Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[Bravo]

Thanks for all the interesting info here folks. Always a learning curve.

 

[Bravo]

I have taken airplane safety for granted all these years and I am so grateful to those that ensure our safety. I flew on an US Air A320 plane to West Palm Beach out of Philly last year to see my son and go stallion shopping. I am headed there again, but I am driving after all this info about the A320 planes. Are those planes truly safe?

It's my belief despite what I have learned here you are safer in a plane than a vehicle. At least that's what I keep telling myself. Flying myself in just over a months time. I'm thinking as time passes we will have a comfort level again. I hope!

 

[newone]

Unless someone knows the best link that gives up to date information, I struggle to find the latest news. Here is one that is pretty recent but havent seen news for Friday yet.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/divers-search-for-bodies-in-fuselage-of-crashed-airasia-jet-648933

supposedly this one is 3 hrs old

I set my search to Australia updates (English and it is in that time zone)

indicating that divers have been set down at the fuselage site......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...tims-in-crashed-airasia-jets-fuselage/6020230

 

[Hatfield]

It's my belief despite what I have learned here you are safer in a plane than a vehicle. At least that's what I keep telling myself. Flying myself in just over a months time. I'm thinking as time passes we will have a comfort level again. I hope!

I agree. We have to go with the sheer "odds". And even though there is the occasional plane accident, the sheer odds is that we are still much safer in a plane VS car so I personally will always fly when given the opportunity. The other drivers on the roads can make a mistake even if we are driving carefully. And just think of how many people you know who have been in a car accident than a plane accident. I myself have been in 2 car accidents and I know quite a few other people in car accidents. Luckily none serious.

I found another link with pretty current info. I dont like what the Chief of rescue said below:
WTH? Since when do search + rescue always expect failures? And I did not know they already attempted to get the fusalage up already by baloon and failed? This guy doesnt give me much confidence. I hope it is just his style of talking but sheesh. This almost reminds me of Malaysia chief who desparately needs a spokesperson to do his talking for him.

"Chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency BASARNAS Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo today said the operation to lift the fuselage from the seabed has so far failed. Authorities have been attempting to lift the fuselage with balloons.
The mission to locate the victims will continue, even if no bodies are found in the fuselage, he said, adding success and failure is part of every mission, and that once the mission is no longer effective or efficient, the operation will end. "

http://www.firstpost.com/world/divers-hunt-bodies-crashed-airasia-jets-fuselage-2047955.html

 

[gregjrichards]

I agree. We have to go with the sheer "odds". And even though there is the occasional plane accident, the sheer odds is that we are still much safer in a plane VS car so I personally will always fly when given the opportunity. The other drivers on the roads can make a mistake even if we are driving carefully. And just think of how many people you know who have been in a car accident than a plane accident. I myself have been in 2 car accidents and I know quite a few other people in car accidents. Luckily none serious.

I found another link with pretty current info. I dont like what the Chief of rescue said below:
WTH? Since when do search + rescue always expect failures? And I did not know they already attempted to get the fusalage up already by baloon and failed? This guy doesnt give me much confidence. I hope it is just his style of talking but sheesh. This almost reminds me of Malaysia chief who desparately needs a spokesperson to do his talking for him.

"Chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency BASARNAS Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo today said the operation to lift the fuselage from the seabed has so far failed. Authorities have been attempting to lift the fuselage with balloons.
The mission to locate the victims will continue, even if no bodies are found in the fuselage, he said, adding success and failure is part of every mission, and that once the mission is no longer effective or efficient, the operation will end. "

http://www.firstpost.com/world/divers-hunt-bodies-crashed-airasia-jets-fuselage-2047955.html

For goodness sake why is a crane not out there? Why do they keep using balloons? (Sorry it is just unbelievable) No wonder they can't get the fuselage up. Thanks for all your updates they are much appreciated.

I'm the opposite actually after being in a car accident last year and suffering months of whiplash I would gladly take a plane than a car. I still think flying is extremely safe unfortunately no transport is accident proof yet. JMO.

 

[Peliman]

BY JALELAH ABU BAKER


SINGAPORE - Singapore Armed Forces's last ship in Indonesia has left the Java Sea for home, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said on his Facebook page on Friday.

The MV Swift Rescue is returning after 20 days of search and rescue efforts for Air Asia flight QZ8501, which went missing on Dec 28 and was discovered in the Java Sea.

"With the flight data and cockpit voice recorders recovered and the fuselage located, the BASARNAS (Indonesian search authority) Chief Mr Bambang Soelistyo has informed other countries that Indonesia would have its own resources for subsequent efforts, and thanked us for all our help," Dr Ng said.

He added that this marks a formal end to SAF's involvement in the search for the AirAsia plane and its passengers. Dr Ng thanked and commended all SAF servicemen and women for a job well done. He also offered the condolences of the SAF and fellow Singaporeans to all the victims of the tragic accident.

"The final resting place of the plane has been found. May family members and loved ones of those departed find strength and comfort to recover from your great loss in the days ahead. Our prayers are with you in this time of grief," he said.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/si...-search-airasia-qz8501-ends-ng-eng-hen-201501

 

[SouthAussie]

Indonesian divers Friday made a fresh attempt to reach the main body of an AirAsia plane that crashed in the sea last month with 162 people on board, after their initial bid failed due to bad weather and rough seas.

Five divers tried to descend to the main body again Friday morning, and search and rescue agency official S.B Supriyadi expressed hope that they would succeed.

"The weather is clear today, hopefully the divers will be able to reach the fuselage, examine its condition and see if there are any bodies inside," he told AFP.

http://news.yahoo.com/divers-hunt-victims-crashed-airasia-jets-main-body-050135812.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Two days after finding the fuselage of AirAsia Flight 8501 at the bottom of the Java Sea, diving teams have been unable to determine whether there are any bodies of victims inside, officials said Friday.

Because of the difficulty divers face getting into the fuselage, officials said they are considering lifting the 85-foot-long piece of wreckage from the sea floor ....

Divers attempting to explore the wreckage have been hampered by strong currents and poor visibility.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/diver...ht-8501-fuselage-20150115-01180#ixzz3Oxo0UPmE

 

[SouthAussie]

Indonesia's Disaster Victim Identification Police Department (DVI POLRI) team has identified the remains of one more victim of crashed Indonesia AirAsia Flight QZ8501 as Cindy Clarissa Soetjipto.

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/105135


Cindy Clarissa Soetjipto was sitting next to him and is listed as his sister on Facebook. (Sister of Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, who was attending University in Melbourne, Australia.)
The pair were seated with a relative named Rudy Soetjipto, according to the flight manifest.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ling-family-board-missing-AirAsia-flight.html

 

[emirates1957]

I have taken airplane safety for granted all these years and I am so grateful to those that ensure our safety. I flew on an US Air A320 plane to West Palm Beach out of Philly last year to see my son and go stallion shopping. I am headed there again, but I am driving after all this info about the A320 planes. Are those planes truly safe?

There not just safe the are SUPER safe.

 

[Snoods]

Thanks, SA. How very sad, a family lost both a son and a daughter.

Clarissa Soetjipto, 15-years-old

http://sp.beritasatu.com/home/cindy-tak-ada-lagi-yang-menyambut-guru-di-depan-kelas/73407

 

[Snoods]

Unless someone knows the best link that gives up to date information, I struggle to find the latest news. Here is one that is pretty recent but havent seen news for Friday yet.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/divers-search-for-bodies-in-fuselage-of-crashed-airasia-jet-648933

Hatfield I usually just open twitter and follow #airasia tweets.

 

[Snoods]

Confirming all AC will have a rego under their wing.

What would we do without you on this thread? Please make sure to thank all the engineers that have been so helpful! And thank you for going to all the trouble to ask and relay all this information to us!

 

[Snoods]

I agree. We have to go with the sheer "odds". And even though there is the occasional plane accident, the sheer odds is that we are still much safer in a plane VS car so I personally will always fly when given the opportunity. The other drivers on the roads can make a mistake even if we are driving carefully. And just think of how many people you know who have been in a car accident than a plane accident. I myself have been in 2 car accidents and I know quite a few other people in car accidents. Luckily none serious.

I found another link with pretty current info. I dont like what the Chief of rescue said below:
WTH? Since when do search + rescue always expect failures? And I did not know they already attempted to get the fusalage up already by baloon and failed? This guy doesnt give me much confidence. I hope it is just his style of talking but sheesh. This almost reminds me of Malaysia chief who desparately needs a spokesperson to do his talking for him.

"Chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency BASARNAS Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo today said the operation to lift the fuselage from the seabed has so far failed. Authorities have been attempting to lift the fuselage with balloons.
The mission to locate the victims will continue, even if no bodies are found in the fuselage, he said, adding success and failure is part of every mission, and that once the mission is no longer effective or efficient, the operation will end. "

http://www.firstpost.com/world/divers-hunt-bodies-crashed-airasia-jets-fuselage-2047955.html

End? End as in, forever? Not just until they get a crane out there? :thud:

If this weren't so deadly serious, it would be laughable!

 

[SouthAussie]

Divers were unable to get inside the fuselage of the downed AirAsia Flight 8501 for the second day on Friday and recovery officials said they are making plans to lift the 85-foot piece of wreckage off the seafloor ..... it remains unclear whether there are any bodies of victims inside.

He (Bambang) said he would ask for assistance from Indonesia’s armed forces, which lifted the plane’s tail section out of the water last weekend. :facepalm:

Mr. Soelistyo said searchers have identified suspected pieces of the plane in nine locations, including what are believed to be the plane’s cockpit and at least one engine.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-...-into-airasia-flight-8501-fuselage-1421382123

 

[SouthAussie]

Relatives of missing passengers on AirAsia Flight 8501 pray for their loved ones.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-...-into-airasia-flight-8501-fuselage-1421382123

 

[SouthAussie]

"The amount of air traffic and lack of English competency are major problems in ensuring airlines' safety in Indonesian airspace, says an aviation analyst."

Brief video at link
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/divers-hunt-victims-crashed-airasia-jets-main-body-050135701.html#L3fiZou

 

[newone]

Divers were unable to get inside the fuselage of the downed AirAsia Flight 8501 for the second day on Friday and recovery officials said they are making plans to lift the 85-foot piece of wreckage off the seafloor ..... it remains unclear whether there are any bodies of victims inside.

He (Bambang) said he would ask for assistance from Indonesia’s armed forces, which lifted the plane’s tail section out of the water last weekend. :facepalm:

Mr. Soelistyo said searchers have identified suspected pieces of the plane in nine locations, including what are believed to be the plane’s cockpit and at least one engine.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-...-into-airasia-flight-8501-fuselage-1421382123

bbm: that would be a great idea (MOO).....

 

[SouthAussie]

bbm: that would be a great idea (MOO).....

I'd think so too, if they weren't the ones who helped lift the tail last weekend .. using only one balloon ... and then dragging (or allowing it to be dragged) onto the boat. I wasn't aware that the armed forces were a part of that schmozzle. But it makes sense, as that was when Gen Moeldoko showed up.

Let's hope that they use many more balloons this time, and a crane or two. Hope they learned from the last effort just how easily the aircraft can be damaged.

 

[newone]

I'd think so too, if they weren't the ones who helped lift the tail last weekend .. using only one balloon ... and then dragging (or allowing it to be dragged) onto the boat. I wasn't aware that the armed forces were a part of that schmozzle. But it makes sense, as that was when Gen Moeldoko showed up.

Let's hope that they use many more balloons this time, and a crane or two. Hope they learned from the last effort just how easily the aircraft can be damaged.

bbm: yes he was the ''driving'' force between SAR and the divers -- things really moved right along when he was involved.

It's not clear to me whether the SAR there is ill equipped, poorly trained or mismanaged ((or combo of all 3)) but there seems to be a need for a serious rethink of their capabilities. MOO