Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[Hatfield]

I've seen that Air Crash episode SA, "Kid in the Cockpit" correct? The captain had his son "flying" the plane and the boy accidentally disengaged the autopilot, sending the plane into a near vertical dive. That's another example of a co-pilot manning the controls of a plane that crashed. I believe the captain was able to eventually get to his seat, but it was too late.

Air France, another example of a co-pilot at the controls, American Airlines Flight 587 crash, also the co-pilot flying the plane.

Does this happen to anyone else? I look up one thing and that brings me to another article of interest and then that leads me to another and then I have like 854 tabs open lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587

It is interesting how so many examples of crashes where the co-pilot was left to try to save the plane and didnt make the save. I am guessing in a severe emergency they are just not as capable as the pilot would be. Afterall, If they were better then they would be the captain/pilot.

 

[Hatfield]

Just saw a good movie on HBO tonight called "Non-Stop" which had a few realistic scenes about what it would be like if the plane went nose diving. People flew backwards. With this AirAsia plane, I think maybe the captain flew back and couldnt drag himself back to his seat due to G-force or maybe he hit his head and got knocked out.

 

[Snoods]

Just saw a good movie on HBO tonight called "Non-Stop" which had a few realistic scenes about what it would be like if the plane went nose diving. People flew backwards. With this AirAsia plane, I think maybe the captain flew back and couldnt drag himself back to his seat due to G-force or maybe he hit his head and got knocked out.

I hope they are able to discern whose voices they hear on the cockpit voice recorder. Non Stop with Lliam Neeson, that's on my to watch list.

 

[Snoods]

It is interesting how so many examples of crashes where the co-pilot was left to try to save the plane and didnt make the save. I am guessing in a severe emergency they are just not as capable as the pilot would be. Afterall, If they were better then they would be the captain/pilot.

BBM Yes Hatfield, thank you for your interest! That was my line of thought as well. I started researching plane crashes at the hands of co-pilots and it's been enlightening and interesting. Especially the plane crashes caused by the co-pilot pushing the stick back, causing the plane to rise up when the nose should be going down. Fascinating stuff!

Thank you emirates, I understand pilot error is probably not the cause for this particular crash, but I'm still going to put together my own little Snoodle Study lol.

 

[Snoods]

Emirates I hope I didn't offend you! You have been the backbone of this thread, along with a few phalanges and a tibia bone as well. I did not intend to disparage anyone, especially those brave pilots.

I'm guilty of not following closely here the past few days and I am happy to hear that pilot error wasn't the cause. So do they think it was catastrophic failure that nobody could have recovered from? I'm very happy for the families of those pilots, but now they need to figure out exactly what brought that plane down.

I had been doing a little research into planes that crash due to co-pilot error, and found a few in which the less experienced co-pilot pushed the nose up, causing a stall. I was just throwing that out to everyone as a sounding board, since it sounded in all my inexperienced glory that there could be a connection.

Glad to hear I am incorrect in this case!

 

[gregjrichards]

Just saw a good movie on HBO tonight called "Non-Stop" which had a few realistic scenes about what it would be like if the plane went nose diving. People flew backwards. With this AirAsia plane, I think maybe the captain flew back and couldnt drag himself back to his seat due to G-force or maybe he hit his head and got knocked out.

It's a great movie but a little far fetched towards the end. The reality of the film would be very different. Thanks for all your posts and updates everyone they have all been interesting. I've been preoccupied with terrible toothache and am going through h£ll so haven't posted much the last few days. I'm going to get my wisdom teeth out and get fillings this week and I'm terrified I hate going to the dentist.

 

[watcher9]

Very sad indeed. The last bodies found were a 1,000 kilometers away (from the crash location) and "little more than skeletal remains with a few articles of clothing".
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/video/2015-01/31/c_133961398.htm

Here is a link to a map showing the West Sulawesi where the bodies were found.

https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=West+Sulawesi
http://www.id.emb-japan.go.jp/oda/en/provinces/odaprojects_map_sulbar.htm

ETA Sorry that I didn't see the map posted above before posting this. It is a lot easier to read than mine was anyway.

 

[emirates1957]

Emirates I hope I didn't offend you! You have been the backbone of this thread, along with a few phalanges and a tibia bone as well. I did not intend to disparage anyone, especially those brave pilots.

I'm guilty of not following closely here the past few days and I am happy to hear that pilot error wasn't the cause. So do they think it was catastrophic failure that nobody could have recovered from? I'm very happy for the families of those pilots, but now they need to figure out exactly what brought that plane down.

I had been doing a little research into planes that crash due to co-pilot error, and found a few in which the less experienced co-pilot pushed the nose up, causing a stall. I was just throwing that out to everyone as a sounding board, since it sounded in all my inexperienced glory that there could be a connection.

Glad to hear I am incorrect in this case!

Dear Snoods.....you could not upset me if you tried. Your posts are brilliant. I just hope whatever happened serves to help the families and the future of aviation safety.

 

[Dr. Know?]

The Daily Beast ‏@thedailybeast · 3m3 minutes ago
About time: The UN's aviation body will meet this week to discuss keeping track of planes. http://thebea.st/1Dvw7da

redirects to this link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11383383/UN-aviation-body-to-hold-safety-summit.html

 

[gregjrichards]

The search for victims has resumed lets hope they find some victims even though it is not looking overly optimistic

'Rescuers on Sunday resumed their search for 86 victims still missing from the AirAsia plane that crashed on Dec. 28, 2014, with 162 people on board, an official said.

National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) chief Bambang Soelistyo said last week search and rescue teams were being given two days’ break after weeks searching in inhospitable conditions.

Sixty-eight divers from Basarnas as well as others from companies and clubs would focus on scouring the fuselage of flight QZ8501 and the seabed for remaining bodies, he said.

So far, 76 bodies have been recovered after the plane went down in the Java Sea in stormy weather during what was supposed to be a short trip from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore." - See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...rasia-crash-victims.html#sthash.Twt1M10S.dpuf

 

[Snoods]

Dear Snoods.....you could not upset me if you tried. Your posts are brilliant. I just hope whatever happened serves to help the families and the future of aviation safety.

:blowkiss: You are very kind.

 

[SouthAussie]

Indonesian divers on Monday found another six victims of the AirAsia plane crash, an official said, taking to 84 the number of bodies retrieved since the accident in late December.

Two bodies were found inside the fuselage of the plane, while another four were located near the wreckage on the bottom of the Java Sea.

Another body was located on Sunday as the national search and rescue agency resumed operations.

The mission is continuing to find the bodies of the remaining 78 people aboard Flight QZ8501 ....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/26179650/six-more-airasia-crash-victims-found-indonesian-official/

 

[SouthAussie]

Low-cost long-haul carrier AirAsia X has replaced chief executive Asran Osman-Rani and will raise 395 million ringgit ($140 million) to shore up its balance sheet as a result of deep financial losses.

The airline had been in financial difficulties for months, amid reports it was paying wages and allowances to staff on a staggered basis.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/airasia-replaces-chief-20150201-1335tf.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Diving squad assigned to search for bodies of AirAsia Indonesia QZ8501 at the bottom of the ocean are faced with difficulties to bring out bodies considering the aircraft body has shattered into pieces, kompas.com reported.

A diver from Indonesian Divers involved in the search and rescue mission Monday said that one body was found entangled in the aircraft’s body making it difficult to bring the body to the surface.

http://www.malaysiandigest.com/fron...t-cable-hampering-the-recovery-of-bodies.html

 

[Hatfield]

Low-cost long-haul carrier AirAsia X has replaced chief executive Asran Osman-Rani and will raise 395 million ringgit ($140 million) to shore up its balance sheet as a result of deep financial losses.

The airline had been in financial difficulties for months, amid reports it was paying wages and allowances to staff on a staggered basis.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/airasia-replaces-chief-20150201-1335tf.html

It is interesting how even foreign airlines seem to struggle financially. A couple years ago, the US carriers had all kinds of money problems too.

If the airlines have to raise their ticket prices a lot to be sure to do proper maintenance and have up to date equipment, I am all for it. I know it means our ticket prices may sky rocket (pun intended), but my feeling is they need to charge whatever they have to charge to do the job properly. Human lives are at stake and if it means our ticket prices are outrageous then so be it. We would just have to absorb that cost to be safe.

If airlines did this, my fear though is the increased profits would not be properly used and it would go to executive salaries and bonuses instead of where it needs to be spent on good maintenance and good up to date equipment.

 

[gregjrichards]

Indonesian divers on Monday found another six victims of the AirAsia plane crash, an official said, taking to 84 the number of bodies retrieved since the accident in late December.

Two bodies were found inside the fuselage of the plane, while another four were located near the wreckage on the bottom of the Java Sea.

Another body was located on Sunday as the national search and rescue agency resumed operations.

The mission is continuing to find the bodies of the remaining 78 people aboard Flight QZ8501 ....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/26179650/six-more-airasia-crash-victims-found-indonesian-official/

Great news thanks for the update SouthAussie.

 

[Snoods]

Investigators say no evidence the Captain left his seat

Indonesian air crash investigators said on Monday they had not so far found evidence that the pilot of an AirAsia jet had left his seat, or that power to an automated control system was shut off, shortly before the aircraft plunged into the sea.

"Up until today, there is no indication yet that the captain left his seat as reported by Reuters," Ertata Lananggalih, an investigator with the National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC), told Reuters at the team's office in Jakarta, referring to the story published on Saturday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/02/indonesia-airplane-idUSL4N0VC30D20150202

 

[Snoods]

This article is claiming the little baby has been identified! It would be the 11 month old girl who was lap flying with her father. If you remember, her father was found still wearing the baby seat. I'm glad to hear this, I didn't think she would ever be found.

WARNING GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION

I'm going to paraphrase an excerpt from the article because of spazzy google translation:

They only found one part of the body of the baby. :tears: Setiyono apologizes for not revealing the identity of some of the ohter bodies found, they are having difficulties caused by bodies not being intact and finding only parts of bodies. They are awaiting results of DNA from Indonesian Police Headquarters.

Sounds like a living hell.


http://www.antaranews.com/berita/47...urce=fly&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=news

 

[Snoods]

DVI Team identifies four more victims.

Nanang Priyo Widodo (44) was travelling with his daughter, Florentina, to meet her boyfriend in Singapore. Mr Widodo shared a photo of he and his daughter on board the AirAsia flight on Facebook shortly before it disappeared, making it his profile picture. His daughter has not been identified yet.

Nanang and Florentina on the flight.

Donna Indah Nurwatie (39) pictured left, with her husband and daughters (16 and (9) who were also on board.

Viona Florensia Abraham (19) she was travelling with her friend, Lanny Octavani (pictured right) who remains unidentified.

Andrian Fernando (13) was also identified but I can't find any pictures of him.

https://www.facebook.com/lanny.octa...xNmQ3YThkN2E4YWVmYjJmODNhYWYyZThlNDI0YjI1NiJ9
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/12/30/melbourne-student-airasia-flight/
http://news.detik.com/read/2014/12/28/153245/2788392/10/
http://www.antarajatim.com/lihat/be...four-more-bodies-of-airasia-qz8501-passengers
https://www.facebook.com/viona.florensa?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all

 

[emirates1957]

It makes it all too real looking at these photographs. How difficult must it be for the families with all the conflicting reports that come to light via the media. I have just printed out some if the Reuters stories for our A320 Engineer to have a look at.