Revisit - Did CA/GA cover up 7-16-08

[Gma Kat]

The A's should of known alittle about the Sunshine laws. The jailhouse phone calls and videos of Hulk Hogan's kid and the family was everywhere in the media! But, I don't think the A's thought the LE interviews would be broadcast! Tell ya the truth-I didn't either!
But, they are stuck now videos that will last forever on websites, youtube, photobucket, etc! It's like they are stuck in quicksand-the harder they try to get themselves out-the worse they make their predicament!:bang:

Oh that's a good one Essies! Well put! P.S. - LOVE your siggy! grrrrrrrrr!

 

[NocturnalLady]

That is certainly one interpretation. I also can imagine CA asking GA to please confirm that for her so she could hold it together when she went back to work (which I happen to think was GA's idea - he was the ex-LE and knew how important it would be for them to be seen by others after the car had been driven home despite the obvious smell of human decomp that just might later be corroborated by the towing company). GA knew he was driving home a potential crime scene and chose to do so in order to do his own investigation as to what might have happened before involving LE.

CA took that choice away by freaking out after she located KC who refused to produce Caylee, and by escalating the situation calling 911 several times instead of waiting until the entire family was assembled. That desperate impulsivity on her part may have been the only reason LE ever found out about Caylee to begin with.

ITA - GA knew something was seriously wrong. But he went straight into his habitual mode of choosing to deal with Casey "in house" and to let Cindy handle the majority of whatever was going to happen. He had 2+2 and chose not to add it up. I think he went to work that evening with a feeling of relief. He was getting away from the situation - whatever that may be - and leaving it for Cindy to sort out.

Whenever there has been a known problem with Casey we have seen the A's choose to pretend to the outside world that the problem didn't exist. In private there was nearly constant fighting and harsh words. Casey's pregnancy is a great example of this. The A's denied it to themselves as long as they could, then denied it to Rick and any other outsiders, and then went home and told Casey what a huge mistake Caylee was. According to Lee that was a theme. I'm sure it was hammered into Casey over and over again how angry her parents were, how much she had effed up etc.

The tension between these two realities is very difficult for a child to reconcile in their own mind. It's not surprising that Casey was a completely screwed up individual.

I don't think the A's went into immediate cover up mode as far as concealing a crime when they first got the car home. I think they went into immediate cover up mode in terms of dealing with another Casey problem. I don't think they let the enormity of what that problem might be sink in until Cindy saw Casey without Caylee, was stonewalled about seeing Caylee and then the last straw of essentially walking into the middle of what seemed to Cindy like Casey confessing "something" to Lee.

I think that whispered converation between Lee and Casey was probably the point of realization for Cindy. That's when she realized this might be a Casey problem that was way bigger than she could handle - this was actually a crime. George on the other hand wasn't going to realize anything until Cindy told him to.

 

[Gma Kat]

ITA - GA knew something was seriously wrong. But he went straight into his habitual mode of choosing to deal with Casey "in house" and to let Cindy handle the majority of whatever was going to happen. He had 2+2 and chose not to add it up. I think he went to work that evening with a feeling of relief. He was getting away from the situation - whatever that may be - and leaving it for Cindy to sort out.

Whenever there has been a known problem with Casey we have seen the A's choose to pretend to the outside world that the problem didn't exist. In private there was nearly constant fighting and harsh words. Casey's pregnancy is a great example of this. The A's denied it to themselves as long as they could, then denied it to Rick and any other outsiders, and then went home and told Casey what a huge mistake Caylee was. According to Lee that was a theme. I'm sure it was hammered into Casey over and over again how angry her parents were, how much she had effed up etc.

The tension between these two realities is very difficult for a child to reconcile in their own mind. It's not surprising that Casey was a completely screwed up individual.

I don't think the A's went into immediate cover up mode as far as concealing a crime when they first got the car home. I think they went into immediate cover up mode in terms of dealing with another Casey problem. I don't think they let the enormity of what that problem might be sink in until Cindy saw Casey without Caylee, was stonewalled about seeing Caylee and then the last straw of essentially walking into the middle of what seemed to Cindy like Casey confessing "something" to Lee.

I think that whispered converation between Lee and Casey was probably the point of realization for Cindy. That's when she realized this might be a Casey problem that was way bigger than she could handle - this was actually a crime. George on the other hand wasn't going to realize anything until Cindy told him to.

I agree with all of your excellent post. I imagine that with the control CA had over her family that essentially the burden must rest on her as well. The burden of the truths she holds that we all see as lies; the burden of the daughter she held up to the light as a good mother - which we all see through now; the burden of carrying the guilt of making that first series of 911 calls when all she can do now is backpedal and redirect our attention away from the reality she has worked so hard all these years to conceal herself and the world from.

 

[Pink Panther]

ITA - GA knew something was seriously wrong. But he went straight into his habitual mode of choosing to deal with Casey "in house" and to let Cindy handle the majority of whatever was going to happen. He had 2+2 and chose not to add it up. I think he went to work that evening with a feeling of relief. He was getting away from the situation - whatever that may be - and leaving it for Cindy to sort out.

Whenever there has been a known problem with Casey we have seen the A's choose to pretend to the outside world that the problem didn't exist. In private there was nearly constant fighting and harsh words. Casey's pregnancy is a great example of this. The A's denied it to themselves as long as they could, then denied it to Rick and any other outsiders, and then went home and told Casey what a huge mistake Caylee was. According to Lee that was a theme. I'm sure it was hammered into Casey over and over again how angry her parents were, how much she had effed up etc.

The tension between these two realities is very difficult for a child to reconcile in their own mind. It's not surprising that Casey was a completely screwed up individual.

I don't think the A's went into immediate cover up mode as far as concealing a crime when they first got the car home. I think they went into immediate cover up mode in terms of dealing with another Casey problem. I don't think they let the enormity of what that problem might be sink in until Cindy saw Casey without Caylee, was stonewalled about seeing Caylee and then the last straw of essentially walking into the middle of what seemed to Cindy like Casey confessing "something" to Lee.

I think that whispered converation between Lee and Casey was probably the point of realization for Cindy. That's when she realized this might be a Casey problem that was way bigger than she could handle - this was actually a crime. George on the other hand wasn't going to realize anything until Cindy told him to.

I have no doubt anymore that these people cleaned out their daughter's car. They cleaned up all vestiges of their grand-daughter's decomposition. Now why on earth would they do that? If they didn't have a clue that she was most probably dead and that their daughter was likely responsible. They cleaned the friggin' car! I think that sometime between the 15th and 16th they realized (or KC told them) what had happened...After that, they went into protect KC mode.



MOO

 

[RR0004]

"Stupid Girl thought that "Rocky the squirrel" story was going to fly. Is it a truth when LA showed up at the home per gA orders after CA and KC came back home? CA had sent the panick message of something seeming very wrong. I have a feeling gA's conversation with LA to get to the home must have been as panicked as CA's. Looking back (help please) LA arrived at the A home after GA went to work, and was their when cA got off work and before CA went to repieve KC? Was LA at the house alone for a period of time? The first 72 hrs. in the A home after Caylee's reported "missing". Did LA call TL before arriving to pick up KC things? Seriously a guy in his mid twenties who supposedly didn't know his sisters where abouts for a mon. would kick in to detective mode when chaos had just broken that his niece has been abducted, would immediatly think to go to a strange guy's apartment to help LE? Na I don't think so!

I thought (and sorry if this has been addressed) that Lee arrived at the house minutes before Cindy did with Casey. His retrieving Casey's belongings has long been an issue. Where he was for 2 hours and what he was doing for all that time has never been made clear to me.

 

[countzero]

I have no doubt anymore that these people cleaned out their daughter's car. They cleaned up all vestiges of their grand-daughter's decomposition. Now why on earth would they do that? If they didn't have a clue that she was most probably dead and that their daughter was likely responsible. They cleaned the friggin' car! I think that sometime between the 15th and 16th they realized (or KC told them) what had happened...After that, they went into protect KC mode.



MOO

I have stated this many a time in other threads and posts. THE CAR, that dang car completely changed the mode of operand which the A clan had been proceeding on. Other posters have said similar themes in different words but it all means the same bottom line of what they were doing.

Going back to June 9, 08 which happened to be the original date CA/GA/LA/KC had stated in their affidavits was the last date any of them had seen Caylee, there was a fight of sorts. An ABSOLUTELY HUGE heated fight. KC takes Caylee over to RM's, has sex, Caylee ends up in RM's bed between KC and RM. Middle of the night KC disappears with Caylee. We know she was alive then, LE has proven that fact.

During the next six days KC is bumming couches, beds whatever to crash in/at. June 15, 08 KC lets CA take Caylee to Mt Dora, without a clue that SP has spilled the beans, rather irritated at KC for stealing money from them. KC doesn't spend any time on Fathers Day with GA. CA is now more than pissed at home now. We don't know what really happened whether they were in the pool or not. We do know KC came back to the A's and got an earful from CA and that KC spent the night at the A compound.

Sometime prior to morning 6.16.08 , KC murdered Caylee in KC's bed. CA/GA knew and the plan was created to get rid of Caylee and KC goes on her merry way. She had been banished from the A compound forever. Maybe, maybe not. I think so because she wasn't staying there after 6.16.08.

No one would think twice about Caylee. CA/GA telling family KC moved out with Caylee. KC telling her NEW friends and boy toy AL, CA or zanny/nanny had her for the day. Again, who the heck is gonna confront any of the A clan demanding to see Caylee? NO ONE. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.

KC figured she isn't about to do what CA/GA have told her about getting rid of Caylee, thus Caylee's decomposing little body was left in the car for 2.6 days. KC now had to go back to the As borrow a shovel, fiddle fart around in the yard, back into the garage to grab black plastic bags and laundry basket. Put Caylee in the trash bags, double bagging her, sticks a heart sticker over her mouth, closes the trash bags and tosses her into the laundry basket. Off to meet AL for some hot body contact by way of Suburban, remembered the special spot and tosses Caylee into the muck of land. Task accomplished.

GA discoverd something in the backyard that he knew KC was there with Caylee. He put lime and pavers down to cover the evidence. He reports to LE a report that someone "stole" gas cans.

June 27,08 KC was finally free. She can't steal from CA/GA anymore, maybe will have to use some of that cash left over from the other times she stole money. AH had money too, need to get that as well. The car, hummm boy did it stink, thinks of Rocky and blames him as the offensive smell. Wait, someone in Orlondo will certainly steal it cause she had sprayed enough fabreze and left boxes of softener sheets to mask it for a while. She isn't worried a bit about leaving anything in it but the keys.

Here is where the plan fell apart. The towing of the dang car. I bet that last dollar in my bank account (yes, I still have it ) that when GA opened that letter he literally pee'ed himself. How the hell-o was he gonna get out of this one? :waitasec: KC was suppose to have the car, that was the deal. Why did KC abandon the car? CA is pissed she has to spend more money because of KC. The A compound is about to go to foreclosure, she is thinking about bankruptcy, she hates GA and wants him to pack his carp and leave ...... meanwhile back at the tow yard the car with severe decomp odor struck both GA and the tow yard guy hard. Quickly GA came up with a story, haven't seen my daughter and granddaughter he tells the guy. Asks the tow guy to look in the trunk with him. He really didn't at that point have a clue if Caylee was in there or not. He only knew KC didn't follow instructions. Get rid of Caylee's body.

He gets the car back to the A compound where CA is waiting. Both know what KC did and didn't do. Clean, clean, clean they go. Now where is KC? Phone calls & texting starts. Call home immediately, big problem CA texts KC. They have got to get their story straight because they know the tow yard guy knows exactly what the decomp odor means and they can't count on him NOT to contact LE.

They have to contact LE but they need to talk to KC first.

If the car had not been found by someone outside the family, then Caylee's disappearance would never had been noticed. We don't know if in fact the stories both GA/CA told in their interviews to LE/FBI even happened. When their lips moved, they lied. :liar::liar:

If KC had not borrowed the shovel, no one would have noticed she backed into the garage which was out of character for her. No one in the neighborhood noticed the A clan. They were not well liked.

Now if you go back and re-read my earlier post in this thread it will continue with my thought patterns. I didn't realize I would have to type out my thoughts but at least they are here now.

So my heros in finding Caylee are both the tow yard manager and RK.

 

[MissJames]

RE: BOLDED BY ME:
ITA. I posted a similar thought early in this case wherein I believe that if they could turn back the clock to that 911 call CA would not have made the call, the family would have dealt with this entire situation "in house" and a viable explanation for Caylee's absence would have been concocted and offered only if questioned. I truly believe that this entire family would have continued with their lives, minus Caylee, living a cover-up for perhaps eternity or until someone went nuts with this horrible secret. WS weren't ready to view CA in that light at the time of my post; however, it appears that now she has played right in to my theory with her statements and behavior. I have no doubt they loved Caylee with all their hearts; unfortunately I believe that they would have kept her demise a secret from the world if they could have to protect KC.

Like maybe" Caylee's visiting her father's family right now."
I think they may have all moved to a new city where no one even knew there was a Caylee.

 

[NocturnalLady]

Like maybe" Caylee's visiting her father's family right now."
I think they may have all moved to a new city where no one even knew there was a Caylee.

I think they would have avoided mentioning at all. Then they would have given different stories explaining Caylee's absence to different people depending on the circumstances. Eventually (hopefully) the discrepancies would have been noticed by Rick and he would have finally alerted LE when he wasn't able to get an answer out of CA. I think poor Shirley would have complained and maybe even said she was suspicious but would not have gone to the police.

 

[MAMABEAR]

One thang that always stuck out to me is why LA was called to begin with. One reason I figured was CA needed him to be The Sargent of Arms. We don't know what happened in the fight of the 15th (the fatal night). Maybe she figured she needed somebody there who could hold KC down if need be. Maybe KC wasn't the one who was "chocked". Of course he was there to go run errands.

There is a lot that was spoken and happened that night then we will ever know. This is like seeing a cockroach---there are thousands more behind the walls.

They knew Caylee was dead and they cleaned/wiped her right off the face of the earth---then they created a new Caylee who was kidnapped and killed (missing child) and on we go with a new life with a new foundation.

 

[MAMABEAR]

countzero, you post # 123 has put all my thoughts together. I believe this happened just about the way you said. This is why KC said, "Don't worry---I haven't said anything".

:clap::clap::clap:
countzero: :takeabow:

 

[NocturnalLady]

One thang that always stuck out to me is why LA was called to begin with. One reason I figured was CA needed him to be The Sargent of Arms. We don't know what happened in the fight of the 15th (the fatal night). Maybe she figured she needed somebody there who could hold KC down if need be. Maybe KC wasn't the one who was "chocked". Of course he was there to go run errands.

There is a lot that was spoken and happened that night then we will ever know. This is like seeing a cockroach---there are thousands more behind the walls.

They knew Caylee was dead and they cleaned/wiped her right off the face of the earth---then they created a new Caylee who was kidnapped and killed (missing child) and on we go with a new life with a new foundation.

ooohhh creepy - and so apt. I hope I can get that picture out of my mind! :yow::nerves:

 

[cecybeans]

I think they would have avoided mentioning at all. Then they would have given different stories explaining Caylee's absence to different people depending on the circumstances. Eventually (hopefully) the discrepancies would have been noticed by Rick and he would have finally alerted LE when he wasn't able to get an answer out of CA. I think poor Shirley would have complained and maybe even said she was suspicious but would not have gone to the police.

It's so scary to me that all these scenarios are completely believable. And they ARE based on how we have witnessed the way this family has circled the wagons and behaved since the story broke, lying, showing no remorse about obstructing justice, being angrily defensive, criticizing LE and the media, coddling their daughter, trying to insinuate innocent parties are to blame, pairing with KFN to promote "Caylee's Comet" sightings to bolster what is obviously untrue, the list goes on forever. And it so explains the anger with which the public responded (however inappropriately).

I apologize for not being able to give credit to the poster who first mentioned it, but I just love the analogy this member made to the Anthonys acting like the Sopranos. As if they are beyond the law and are entitled to the right to be able to handle anything that happens within their family, theft, murder, who knows what else, using their own personal rules and administer justice on their own terms, regardless if they contradict the laws of the society in which they live. I don't even think entitlement is an adequate term - it just doesn't describe the underlying self-righteous arrogance these people have exhibited to the public and to all who have sought to represent the rights of poor little Caylee, who died because these people seem to feel that they are not responsible or accountable for their own behavior, or subject to the rules or laws society has mandated.

What is also unfortunate is that it robs us of feeling any sympathy or empathy we would like to extend for what is obviously a tragic and painful experience for them and their extended family.

 

[countzero]

It's so scary to me that all these scenarios are completely believable. And they ARE based on how we have witnessed the way this family has circled the wagons and behaved since the story broke, lying, showing no remorse about obstructing justice, being angrily defensive, criticizing LE and the media, coddling their daughter, trying to insinuate innocent parties are to blame, pairing with KFN to promote "Caylee's Comet" sightings to bolster what is obviously untrue, the list goes on forever. And it so explains the anger with which the public responded (however inappropriately).

I apologize for not being able to give credit to the poster who first mentioned it, but I just love the analogy this member made to the Anthonys acting like the Sopranos. As if they are beyond the law and are entitled to the right to be able to handle anything that happens within their family, theft, murder, who knows what else, using their own personal rules and administer justice on their own terms, regardless if they contradict the laws of the society in which they live. I don't even think entitlement is an adequate term - it just doesn't describe the underlying self-righteous arrogance these people have exhibited to the public and to all who have sought to represent the rights of poor little Caylee, who died because these people seem to feel that they are not responsible or accountable for their own behavior, or subject to the rules or laws society has mandated.

What is also unfortunate is that it robs us of feeling any sympathy or empathy we would like to extend for what is obviously a tragic and painful experience for them and their extended family.

bbm:

The extended family of CA/GA are the only people who have my empathy for what the A clan has done. By blood, they are drawn into this. How unfortunate for all.

As to any family member questioning CA about Caylee's whereabouts, none of them have the energy to argue with CA. She has a track record years long of battling, manipulating and hurting them. If they had any type of compassion left in them and they knew she wasn't lying on an hourly basis, they could or would have come forward to defend her. Her own mother could not even do this. The silence from the extended family tells me more is being hidden from the public and they, the extended family, plan to keep it that way until the trial.

 

[Patty G]

During the next six days KC is bumming couches, beds whatever to crash in/at. June 14, 08 KC lets CA take Caylee to Mt Dora, without a clue that SP has spilled the beans, rather irritated at KC for stealing money from them. KC doesn't spend any time on Fathers Day with GA. CA is now more than pissed at home now. We don't know what really happened whether they were in the pool or not. We do know KC came back to the A's and got an earful from CA and that KC spent the night at the A compound.

Sometime prior to morning 6.15.08 , KC murdered Caylee in KC's bed. CA/GA knew and the plan was created to get rid of Caylee and KC goes on her merry way. She had been banished from the A compound forever. Maybe, maybe not. I think so because she wasn't staying there after 6.16.08.

Cindy took Caylee to the nursing home on Father's Day, Sunday, June 15, 2008, not June 14, 2008. This date has been verified based on the video, guest book at the nursing home, employees at the nursing home as well as Cindy's mother etc. Caylee was still alive at least to some point on June 15, 2008.

 

[TinaD]

snipped respectfully for brevity

KC figured she isn't about to do what CA/GA have told her about getting rid of Caylee, thus Caylee's decomposing little body was left in the car for 2.6 days. KC now had to go back to the As borrow a shovel, fiddle fart around in the yard, back into the garage to grab black plastic bags and laundry basket. Put Caylee in the trash bags, double bagging her, sticks a heart sticker over her mouth, closes the trash bags and tosses her into the laundry basket. Off to meet AL for some hot body contact by way of Suburban, remembered the special spot and tosses Caylee into the muck of land. Task accomplished.

GA discoverd something in the backyard that he knew KC was there with Caylee. He put lime and pavers down to cover the evidence. He reports to LE a report that someone "stole" gas cans.

June 27,08 KC was finally free. She can't steal from CA/GA anymore, maybe will have to use some of that cash left over from the other times she stole money. AH had money too, need to get that as well. The car, hummm boy did it stink, thinks of Rocky and blames him as the offensive smell. Wait, someone in Orlondo will certainly steal it cause she had sprayed enough fabreze and left boxes of softener sheets to mask it for a while. She isn't worried a bit about leaving anything in it but the keys.

Here is where the plan fell apart. The towing of the dang car. I bet that last dollar in my bank account (yes, I still have it ) that when GA opened that letter he literally pee'ed himself. How the hell-o was he gonna get out of this one? :waitasec: KC was suppose to have the car, that was the deal. Why did KC abandon the car? CA is pissed she has to spend more money because of KC. The A compound is about to go to foreclosure, she is thinking about bankruptcy, she hates GA and wants him to pack his carp and leave ...... meanwhile back at the tow yard the car with severe decomp odor struck both GA and the tow yard guy hard. Quickly GA came up with a story, haven't seen my daughter and granddaughter he tells the guy. Asks the tow guy to look in the trunk with him. He really didn't at that point have a clue if Caylee was in there or not. He only knew KC didn't follow instructions. Get rid of Caylee's body.

He gets the car back to the A compound where CA is waiting. Both know what KC did and didn't do. Clean, clean, clean they go. Now where is KC? Phone calls & texting starts. Call home immediately, big problem CA texts KC. They have got to get their story straight because they know the tow yard guy knows exactly what the decomp odor means and they can't count on him NOT to contact LE.

They have to contact LE but they need to talk to KC first.

I can see your reasoning however I don't think CA and GA would have left something as important as disposing of Caylee's poor body to Casey, if they had known straight away. She just wasn't reliable enough.

And if they had planned a coverup from then, telling people some story to explain Caylee's disappearance, why didn't they do so in the 31 days? The 911 calls sound genuine to me - at that stage CA really was worried and scared that she hadn't seen Caylee.

 

[MissJames]

I've been wondering about the cover up and it raises some questions.
If they helped concoct the Zanny story why wouldn't they say they had met her or at least spoken with her?
Also why would CA tell LE she thought JG or anyone who watched Caylee was Zanny.
I think the A's are up to there eyeballs in the cover up,but they did a half A## job of it.IMO

 

[Debbie3223]

I hope it allll comes out at the trial...

I wonder how lil Caylee would have turned out if CA & GA had raised her? evil like KC? Weird like Lee? wimp like GA? oh and I have no nice words to describe ole CA.. shes the one who made them all whack jobs if you ask me..

TTFN

 

[countzero]

Cindy took Caylee to the nursing home on Father's Day, Sunday, June 15, 2008, not June 14, 2008. This date has been verified based on the video, guest book at the nursing home, employees at the nursing home as well as Cindy's mother etc. Caylee was still alive at least to some point on June 15, 2008.

typo on my part, i can fix it. thanks.

 

[countzero]

I can see your reasoning however I don't think CA and GA would have left something as important as disposing of Caylee's poor body to Casey, if they had known straight away. She just wasn't reliable enough.

And if they had planned a coverup from then, telling people some story to explain Caylee's disappearance, why didn't they do so in the 31 days? The 911 calls sound genuine to me - at that stage CA really was worried and scared that she hadn't seen Caylee.

I do. CA/GA would not chance getting their hands dirty doing it. Dirty meaning physically and literally. They were more than irritated with KC. CA didn't like or love KC at all. She no doubt took the opinion that she wasn't about to get her hands dirty fixing this mess again. KC murdered Caylee, KC can dispose of Caylee. Possibly KC was told to dump Caylee in water infested with gators and that could have "grossed" KC out.

All I know is I have relatives who "resemble" CA/GA/KC and when my phone rings after 11pm I am extemely worried that one of them has either killed or has been killed due to their personalities. So far all the calls received after 11pm have been because one of them was in jail.

 

[countzero]

I've been wondering about the cover up and it raises some questions.
If they helped concoct the Zanny story why wouldn't they say they had met her or at least spoken with her?
Also why would CA tell LE she thought JG or anyone who watched Caylee was Zanny.
I think the A's are up to there eyeballs in the cover up,but they did a half A## job of it.IMO

No, actually that was kinda smart and dumb at the same time. It is called deflection of the truth. Admit yet deny. CA/GA/KC have it down to perfection. Or so they believe.