Revisit - Did CA/GA cover up 7-16-08

[akashana]

I'm going to take exception to this!!!! I live in the DEEP South. MOST Southerners don't talk that way. JMO :dance:

I meant no offense! Here in Louisiana I hear that a lot, and from educated people also. People also say (and I do this myself) "I'm fixin to leave right now," as opposed to, "I'm just about to leave." It's just a colloquialism, and it rubbed off on me, as I grew up in the Ohio Valley far removed from the speech patterns of the South. Up there in the Valley, "y'all" becomes "youns" and a "creek" is a "crick" . . .

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think it just gradually dawned on her over the course of that night and the next day . Cindy is very gullible when it comes to Casey's lies, she just can't see past them... remember that advanced state of pregnancy that was just a bump on a virgin? - she cannot allow the lies to intrude on her phony,arrogant 'reality'.
Although she knew that the car smelled of death, I don't think it really penetrated what the implications were immediately, she was maybe thinking the Nanny had done Caylee some harm...that is how she always thinks, someone else is to blame - once she got to thinking about how unlikely that was given Casey's lifetime of habitual lying then she went into trying to outwit LE .

Maybe the A's need IQ tests then rather than Lie Detector tests.
My vote would be to force them to take both.

 

[akashana]

Add the fact that your Granddaughter had not been "home" for a month and your Daughter was unable to be tracked down in person?

Think of the scenario to include the facts above to the story.
imo by then, you'd have had your hackles up.

It's a whole picture scenario that includes the 31 days prior up to and to include finding the car, the attempts to locate KC prior to July 15, that cause one to question their gullibility.

Yes but they were desperate to have another source of the odor other than a dead Caylee. Think about what admitting that would do to a parent. I simply can't fault them or anyone else for casting about frantically for something, anything, other than the odor being a dead Caylee. At this point, emotions would be roiling and they would not be thinking logically. All hope for a good resolution is lost once they accept the premise that Caylee is gone, really gone, not just sleeping at the Nanny's, or off on a beach holiday. Up to that point, KC has been plying them with a phony itinerary of her and Caylee's agendas, and while they were getting suspicious, who would have thought she killed her and this nightmare would soon unfurl? They didn't think that KC had lost her or that she was kidnapped, as what mom wouldn't call in authorities immediately when her child is taken? The As at that point couldn't fathom something like that, just as we as a nation of spectators couldn't fathom KC waiting a month to alert the cops to Caylee's plight. It doesn't factor in because it's an abnormal reaction. The As knew KC had problems, was a liar and a thief, but I can't see where anything they did prior to the 911 call indicates they believed her capable of killing her child.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I tried, but I can't even answer this question. To me it is the most baffling moment of the whole case. When did Cindy shift from denial to action? The 911 call was genuine, imo. But the cleaning of the car, pants, knife, possible carseat switch, possible doll switch.. all before the 911 call, leaves me dumbfounded. I do however, think she was clearly in action once Casey was hauled off to jail, and has stayed in action. I also think that it's a little more about saving her own face than Casey's butt. She is quite a case study, that's for sure.

I hear you. The other factor that keeps me from clearing from my mind that CA possibly could have been involved from day one of Caylee's death is that she is the last one who was with Caylee as far as evidence that exists outside the family. That coupled with all of her lies has caused me to wonder if she could possibly be the original Sociopath in the family.

Why can't anyone else see this? As hard as it is to believe a mother could kill her own child under any circumstances why will noone look closer to see that CA would go to any length to cover her own arse even if it meant forsaking her own child?

CA said herself that KC loved Caylee more than CA loved KC.
(When a person tells you who they are, believe them. - heard on Oprah)

My second choice is that CA had to have known the truth when she wrote the MySpace Poem, chased around to Universal and sent Lee out looking for KC prior to July 4. Any theory beyond that is unbelievable imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Yes but they were desperate to have another source of the odor other than a dead Caylee. Think about what admitting that would do to a parent. I simply can't fault them or anyone else for casting about frantically for something, anything, other than the odor being a dead Caylee. At this point, emotions would be roiling and they would not be thinking logically. All hope for a good resolution is lost once they accept the premise that Caylee is gone, really gone, not just sleeping at the Nanny's, or off on a beach holiday. Up to that point, KC has been plying them with a phony itinerary of her and Caylee's agendas, and while they were getting suspicious, who would have thought she killed her and this nightmare would soon unfurl? They didn't think that KC had lost her or that she was kidnapped, as what mom wouldn't call in authorities immediately when her child is taken? The As at that point couldn't fathom something like that, just as we as a nation of spectators couldn't fathom KC waiting a month to alert the cops to Caylee's plight. It doesn't factor in because it's an abnormal reaction. The As knew KC had problems, was a liar and a thief, but I can't see where anything they did prior to the 911 call indicates they believed her capable of killing her child.

We have seen how denial has served the A's in the past so I guess it's possible.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What do you call a person who sees a roaring fire but has to go up and touch it before he will believe it is a real fire?

Answer: burned

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I meant no offense! Here in Louisiana I hear that a lot, and from educated people also. People also say (and I do this myself) "I'm fixin to leave right now," as opposed to, "I'm just about to leave." It's just a colloquialism, and it rubbed off on me, as I grew up in the Ohio Valley far removed from the speech patterns of the South. Up there in the Valley, "y'all" becomes "youns" and a "creek" is a "crick" . . .

The way the A's keep messing up the language though really gets me and I can't believe GA has a college education from the way he speaks. CA makes the same mistakes a lot too.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think Cindy knew KC was manipulating her, so she called the police to either call her bluff, or to scare/bully her into telling Cindy where Caylee was. I just don't think CA could fake or script those 911 phone calls.

There is also a videotape from just after KC got home on bond (I forget which time), where GA storms out the house (? heading to the body? I can't find that video again) saying he's fed up or whatever, and then Lee drives up and gets him and brings him back to the house. That to me is I think him pizzed and trying to get the truth out of KC and CA not letting him.

I feel pretty confident on the two above situations. There are some others that don't seem fake but I am not willing to put my confidence in them, such as the one interview with GA and CA and Michelle B (?) where CA just looks like an empty, brokenhearted shell. Yet they eat crabpuffs when the body is found. Something is fishy there.

So based on these types of situations, I can only believe that CA found out after the 911 calls, and also found out where the body was before it was discovered. I think GA learned the truth after the Grand Jury.

Did you hear the Mother of Falcon (the boy in the tinfoil balloon) during their (Dad called but they asked to speak to Mom) call to 911 recently? Pure panic in her voice. Unbelievable as the whole thing was a hoax.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Thanks for all your answers on Cindy's wording. I know(hope)no one is really offended: it wasn't really a honest question as I understand that this has to be the guilt(pills) talking. I understand interchanging "bring her to me" and "take me to her" or but you can't interchange "me to her" or "her to me"-no one anywhere does that-you can say "bring her to me" or "take me to her" but not "take her to me". She could have said "bring her to me" but she said "take her to me" And again with Amy, Cindy says "take her to me"-It's not the "bring" or "take" that I question, it's the "me to her" part.

Sorry for the confusion: btw I live in Georgia.

It's not really important, I don't think...except that I think that by this time, Cindy knew that Caylee was dead and that Casey had done it and the confused language is "statement analysis" re: she is thinking one thing but trying to convey another. That is why she starts to say "and knowing what I know now" but changes it to "no...no one" I don't think Cindy knew that Caylee was gone when she made the 911 call but by the time of this interview(sorry don't have the date of this one, WS help?)...

she knew.

...jmo...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am not following you. I see little connection to my post and your response so color me confused.

I am saying two things.
One GA knew Casey was alive, so he could never have thought what he said in his deposition which was "please don't let it be Casey or Caylee". He knew it could not be Casey. Period. Nothing about GA coming up with other reasons for the stink. He himself was worried about what that stink could be .

Two, I am saying that the Anthony's knew it (meaning, that Caylee was dead) when Casey was willing to go to Jail and never produced Caylee or anything remotely plausible as to why she did not have Caylee. She went to Jail a day after the 911 call and after the police drove her around town to non existant baby sitter homes.

Except the A's are sticking to the story that Caylee had been kidnapped.

It doesn't matter that the kidnapper left all the evidence of foul play in their daughter's car (oops, I mean, their car). They stole Caylee from BP and then returned her dead body to KC's car. KC did them a favor when she ran out of gas and then never came back to put gas in her car and collect it from Amscot. How convenient for the kidnappers.

Oh and the squirrels caused the smell and later pizza contributed to it. :croc:

Don't the excuses above sound like lies?

 

[essies]

Yes but they were desperate to have another source of the odor other than a dead Caylee. Think about what admitting that would do to a parent. I simply can't fault them or anyone else for casting about frantically for something, anything, other than the odor being a dead Caylee. At this point, emotions would be roiling and they would not be thinking logically. All hope for a good resolution is lost once they accept the premise that Caylee is gone, really gone, not just sleeping at the Nanny's, or off on a beach holiday. Up to that point, KC has been plying them with a phony itinerary of her and Caylee's agendas, and while they were getting suspicious, who would have thought she killed her and this nightmare would soon unfurl? They didn't think that KC had lost her or that she was kidnapped, as what mom wouldn't call in authorities immediately when her child is taken? The As at that point couldn't fathom something like that, just as we as a nation of spectators couldn't fathom KC waiting a month to alert the cops to Caylee's plight. It doesn't factor in because it's an abnormal reaction. The As knew KC had problems, was a liar and a thief, but I can't see where anything they did prior to the 911 call indicates they believed her capable of killing her child.

BBM
On 7/3 Cindy was distraught worrying about Caylee-hence her myspace creation!

Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?
Cindy may not have known Caylee was missing from KC-but Cindy definetely expresses fear for where and who is watching out for the "little angel."
Cindy knows why KC left-JEALOUSY
Cindy knows KC is capable of "lies and betrayal". (How lies and betrayal are harmless is beyond me:waitasec
Cindy knows KC is telling people "her mother is controlling her life".
Still, I agree, Cindy didn't think KC was capable of killing Caylee prior to the 911 call. However, shortly after that call and the events that followed-Cindy made the choice not to admit the truth about KC to herself-even if it meant destroying other people's reputations and personal lives!:furious:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Hello WS

I know this is about Cindy, and what I am going to post is about George so mods if you want this somewhere else...please do and sorry about making work for you.

July 24th, 2008
Statement to LE
George Anthony

GA: Okay. Well, I need to set the record straight between you, you guys and me. You guys are doing what you can. I know that. Deep in my heart and my guy and my, my brain I know it. I know how you guys at least I have a rough idea of how every things put together. Granted, it's been years since I've done my stuff but I now the basic techniques of stuff are still here. I, I understand all that good stuff. Where this is leading I don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about that but I had bad vibes the very first day, when I got that car. I can be straight with you guys and I hope it stays in the confines of us three. I don't want to believe that I have, have raised someone, and brought someone in this world that could do something to another person. I don't want to believe that. And if it happens all I can do is ask that you guys please call me so I can prepare my wife because it's going to kill her. And I tell you, I know my wife has been tough on you guys. We talked about going on emotion and trying to get focused and step back. She's trying. I know she is but that two and a half hours, forty-five minutes she's getting sleep a day, you guys knew when you are up for two and three and five days...
(skip)
GA: All I can do is ask if, if you feel that this is going in the direction that my, my heart is killing me right now to say it even if its going into my granddaughter is not, no longer alive. I'm going to handle it the best I can, but I need to be there for my wife and my, my son. We, we need to just because its only us those left, the way I'm looking at it right now. Because if there's, if we lost my granddaughter I've lost my daughter. And, that's you know how hard that's going to be?

:cow:

Thank you for bringing this here. For the first few months I thought that maybe it had been an accident that happened under GA. Then stuff like this came forward and I began to look at CA differently.

GA certainly is swayed by what CA says - he was convinced to believe a farce so he could have hope. He too seems unable to stand on his own two feet.

 

[SleuthTheTruth]

Let’s start from the beginning with George, Cindy, the tow yard and the retrieval of the vehicle.

George walks to the vehicle with the lot attendant, telling him about his daughter not letting him and his wife see Caylee. In George’s statement to LE, just before he gets to the vehicle, he can smell it. He opens the driver door, smells the decomp smell, and knows what that smell means. He has smelled that smell before, from his Law Enforcement days. He looks around at the contents inside the vehicle and see’s KC’s purse. In it is her wallet with her Drivers License. George asks the lot attendant to go to the trunk with him. While he is opening it, he is praying he does not find his granddaughter. The lot attendant is fully aware of the smell. He states, he has smelled it before, only stronger, in a vehicle where a dead body was found. The lot attendant removes a trash bag from the trunk, containing a pizza box and other items, tosses it over the fence in the dumpster, telling George; that might have been the source of the smell. George drives the vehicle off the lot and takes it home.


In My Opinion, the first part of the cover-up started when George drove the vehicle off the lot.

I would bet to say, George stopped at Cindy’s vehicle, in the tow yard parking lot and told her about the smell. I would bet to say, Cindy, smelled the smell herself and knew what it was. I would bet to say, Cindy, told George; get the vehicle home and put it in the garage. That is just what George did. George follows orders.

George states to LE, it was raining that day, so he could not drive with the windows all the way down, he only had them cracked. Keep in mind, George had to drive all the way home, knowing what that smell was, the fear of who it was from and the only way it could have gotten in the car is from a dead body.

George and Cindy knew what the smell represented. They knew KC was alive, but they did not know about Caylee. George was at a new job so he felt he had to go to work. Cindy went back to work, told some of her co-workers about the vehicle; and they encouraged her to go home, find KC and call the police, so she did.

In My Opinion, the second part of the cover-up started when Cindy cleaned the car, removed and washed things that would incriminate KC.

Upon finding KC, Cindy was pi--ed because KC would not take her to get Caylee. Cindy wanted proof that the smell in the vehicle was not Caylee, and only KC could provide that proof. Cindy needed to see a live Caylee. KC knows she can’t produce a live Caylee, so she tells her Zanny kidnapped Caylee story. Cindy knows her daughter. She knows KC tells lies and makes up things. But, to Cindy, there was a glimmer of a chance; KC was telling the truth and Caylee was alive. So, in my opinion, that is why Cindy called 9-1-1. At that time, to Cindy, KC’s story about Zanny taking Caylee was so believable, because she just could not believe her daughter would hurt Caylee.

When Cindy states the smell of a dead body in the damn car was caused by Pizza, In My Opinion, the third part of the cover-up started and it continues to this day.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Hello WS

Cindy's interview with Orlando Sentinel

(A question is asked off camera that you can not hear: this is from a video interview with the OS. I assume "when did you last see Caylee?" from Cindy's response.)

CA: June the 8th. Her and I spent the day, we went up to, we went to sss(Cindy slurs her words several times in this interview: and I think "pills" have a lot to do with Cindy's behavior before, during and after Caylee's death jmo), to visit her great grandpa and she's coloring trying to help my dad color too and sitting there reading a story to him and at that moment it meant so much because it was my granddaughter and my dad together and its so vivid in my mind and (Cindy slurs here and seems to begin to say "and knowing" but she stops and says "and no...no one." Was she going to say "and knowing what I know now?" It seems to fit when you read her next statement only if she was going to say "knowing what I know now." If you take the statement "and no...no one" it does not "go" with her next statement)

"I would never have thought that I would remember that day other than a nice day with my dad and my granddaughter. But now that's the last day I saw...Caylee.
Reporter: I saw...
CA: I had called Amy to see if she had seen Casey lately and she said yeah she'd seen her on, um Tuesday. She, in fact, just several hours before I'd called her, she'd actually picked her up from the airport, Amy had come back from Puerto Rico, um Casey had picked her up. I asked her if she knew where she was at, and she said yeah. I said well can you take her to me, she said sure so I picked her up and when we went when we got Cay, Casey and I was hoping to find Caylee with her...but she wasn't with her. That's when I started to ask Casey questions. When she couldn't tell me where Caylee was at, well she said she was at the sitters but I wanted to go pick her up, I hadn't seen her in a month. I wanted to see her, wanted to bring her home and let her sleep in her own bed an she made an excuse "we don't want to disturb her mom its nighttime she's putting her down, by the time we get there she'll be sleeping. Why do we want to wake her up?" And I said, because I'm being selfish and I want to see her. Well, ya know I got a gut feeling, and my gut feeling was that there was something not right and my daughter's voice and something wasn't right, though I asked her to drive her to, you know to take her to me, when she said no I, um I called the police department."

Twice Cindy gets something wrong: she asks Amy "well can you take her to me?" And then at the end she says she asked her daughter "I asked her to drive her to, you know take her to me."

Is this a Florida thing or something? Is it the pills? Twice she asks that someone can "take her to me." What is that all about?

...jmo...

The only thing I can think of is that CA wanted Caylee home.

Take her to me; bring her home to me. ??????

Adding: I see the sentences refer to Casey and not Caylee. Still, I think CA wanted "her girls" to come home to her even tough, in that moment, CA had to find her way to KC through Amy. "take her to me" Strange that CA says this twice.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Did you hear the Mother of Falcon (the boy in the tinfoil balloon) during their (Dad called but they asked to speak to Mom) call to 911 recently? Pure panic in her voice. Unbelievable as the whole thing was a hoax.

No joke, listening to that call now is just sickening!

 

[Daylight/1257]

CA was hysterical because she knew she was about to unleash something she didn't know if she could keep control of. The question is whether she knew what that "something" was. The answer would lie in whether the washing machine and dryer were running at the time. The electric company may still have usage logs for that day and possibly even be able to tell at what hours usage peaked at the A's household... or ask GA. He knows the answer to that question. Were they cleaning even before the first call?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM
On 7/3 Cindy was distraught worrying about Caylee-hence her myspace creation!

Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?
Cindy may not have known Caylee was missing from KC-but Cindy definetely expresses fear for where and who is watching out for the "little angel."
Cindy knows why KC left-JEALOUSY
Cindy knows KC is capable of "lies and betrayal". (How lies and betrayal are harmless is beyond me:waitasec
Cindy knows KC is telling people "her mother is controlling her life".
Still, I agree, Cindy didn't think KC was capable of killing Caylee prior to the 911 call. However, shortly after that call and the events that followed-Cindy made the choice not to admit the truth about KC to herself-even if it meant destroying other people's reputations and personal lives!:furious:

Thanks for bringing the MySpace message here.

For someone who is so defensive towards LE when it comes to their questioning her child, CA sure has no issues when it comes to casting blame on other women's children.

 

[akashana]

The only thing that would have appeased Cindy at the point of the 911 call was for KC to produce a live Caylee, and of course that couldn't be done, so Cindy upped the ante and forced her hand. She had nothing left in her bag of tricks but the cop card, and KC's evasions led her to pull it. She knew the only way to bring this to a head was under threat of arrest, and I really do feel that in her heart she still believed Caylee was alive somewhere, perhaps not in the best of living situations, but still out there and that the police would force KC to reveal her whereabouts. Obviously any mother worth the salt in her bread would want to prove that her child was fine and thriving, and when this couldn't be done, Cindy knew, whether she accepted the reality or not, that Caylee was gone for good.

 

[CitizenKim]

I know I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but I don't believe that Cindy or George knew at the time they got the car back that Caylee had actually died. I made the mistake one time of missing a package of chicken breasts in the trunk when I put up groceries once. It was summertime. It was horrible, and it lasted a really long time no matter what I used to clean it up with. I don't think I could make that quantum leap from just the smell of decomp that my daughter had murdered her baby and that was the odor source. I don't think I could wrap my head around that right away. I would be led kicking and screaming to it eventually, but if I got my car back reeking, I'd probably air it out and begin cleaning it up just as Cindy did also. No one would wsant to drive it or buy it like that, and I would want to mitigate the damage as much and as soon as possible, just as if I got it back splattered with mud I would want to hose it off immediately. Just kinda a pride of ownership thing, you know? And if shoes or pants inside the car stunk to high heaven, I'd give 'em a wash.

I don't think my mind would go immediately to that was my dead grandchild I smelled. That is so horrible to contemplate, it would definitely take me awhile to even go there in my mind. So I just can't fault the As actions in that particular scenario. I also think that early on they developed a sort of siege mentality, probably under the influence of KC, the "us against them" mindset that set the tone for their future dealings with LE, the public and the media. Not excusing it, but perhaps explaining it.

I've thought this way too. Does pig decomp really smell similar enough to human decomp for them to be confused? Maybe they thought Casey had put something disgusting/dead pig in the car and abandoned it to be towed w/enormous fees just to be a spiteful b!tch? I think at least Cindy could have been thinking that- I'm not sure about George bc of the things he has said/admitted in interviews.

But IF the smell of human decomp is so distinctive and was so strong then why didn't ANY of those cops that were in and out of the house July 15 say-- hold on a minute-- we must have a dead body??!!

I've never really heard anyone question either George or Cindy enough about just how much cleaning was done. Could Febreze really have covered it? That's quite a commercial for Febreze.

 

[EgyptNug]

BBM
On 7/3 Cindy was distraught worrying about Caylee-hence her myspace creation!

Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?
Cindy may not have known Caylee was missing from KC-but Cindy definetely expresses fear for where and who is watching out for the "little angel."
Cindy knows why KC left-JEALOUSY
Cindy knows KC is capable of "lies and betrayal". (How lies and betrayal are harmless is beyond me:waitasec
Cindy knows KC is telling people "her mother is controlling her life".
Still, I agree, Cindy didn't think KC was capable of killing Caylee prior to the 911 call. However, shortly after that call and the events that followed-Cindy made the choice not to admit the truth about KC to herself-even if it meant destroying other people's reputations and personal lives!:furious:

This really shows how manipulative CA was. This message is all about how she is the victim for loving Caylee, etc. If this was standard operating procedure for CA, that really would be a messed up way to be raised. Also, is it common for a mom to say their daughter is jealous of them? I cannot imagine saying that, but i don't have any girls..

I've thought this way too. Does pig decomp really smell similar enough to human decomp for them to be confused? Maybe they thought Casey had put something disgusting/dead pig in the car and abandoned it to be towed w/enormous fees just to be a spiteful b!tch? I think at least Cindy could have been thinking that- I'm not sure about George bc of the things he has said/admitted in interviews.

But IF the smell of human decomp is so distinctive and was so strong then why didn't ANY of those cops that were in and out of the house July 15 say-- hold on a minute-- we must have a dead body??!!

I've never really heard anyone question either George or Cindy enough about just how much cleaning was done. Could Febreze really have covered it? That's quite a commercial for Febreze.

Some really good points, Kim. I can see how they might think that KC stunk up the car intentionally.

I also have never understood how with such a short time span, all of the stains, and yet no dna evidence of Caylee like blood or decomp fluid (does decomp have dna?) I do have trouble with how KC and or her family were able to remove almost all traces in the trunk minus one hair (that we know of).