REVISIT Does LE have enough evidence to Convict Casey on 1st Degree Murder?

Do you think LE has enough evidence to get Casey on 1st Degree Murder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 759 77.2%
  • No

    Votes: 84 8.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 140 14.2%

  • Total voters
    983
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What evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that chloroform caused Caylee's alleged death.

I believe the larvae (maggots) will show this. We have just a small portion of the evidence LE has available and when it is released I believe it will be shocking how much evidence they really have.
 
Caylee didn't commit suicide. No accident or fatal illness was reported. She didn't die from old age. What's left?

Regardless of what's reported, the State still has the burden of proving there was as much as negligence (much less murder) and even then, to prove that negligence rose to level of culpable before they could charge as much as manslaughter in the state of FL.
 
Caylee didn't commit suicide. No accident or fatal illness was reported. She didn't die from old age. What's left?

An accident cannot be ruled out nor can negligence or manslaughter. Moreover. I have yet to hear a definitive proof of death.
 
About a decade ago, I started to advise attorneys and law students (future attorneys) to consider asking prospective jurors if they've closely followed other cases. If so, which cases.

If they respond affirmatively, then ask them which cases those were and if they pre-judged guilt in those cases or did they hold to a presumption of innocence throughout the trial. Finally, ask them if they posted online about those cases.

Women jurors won't be swayed by how "cute" KC is; I'm worried about young male jurors and childless male jurors.

This really isn't funny, but I just envisioned a "jury of her peers" -- 12 young, single guys all hoping to get la*d.
 
Women jurors won't be swayed by how "cute" KC is; I'm worried about young male jurors and childless male jurors.

This really isn't funny, but I just envisioned a "jury of her peers" -- 12 young, single guys all hoping to get la*d.


Experience has taught me that if your client is a women -- especially a decent looking woman -- it is usually best to try and stock the jury with men, all else being equal.

Depending on the charges, this may not hold true, but I really think there is a lot to the legendary cattiness between women that carries over to trials.
 
I believe the larvae (maggots) will show this. We have just a small portion of the evidence LE has available and when it is released I believe it will be shocking how much evidence they really have.

I so hope you are right turbo.....I'm sitting here thinking.....what if she actually gets away with it?
 
Experience has taught me that if your client is a women -- especially a decent looking woman -- it is usually best to try and stock the jury with men, all else being equal.

Depending on the charges, this may not hold true, but I really think there is a lot to the legendary cattiness between women that carries over to trials.


Well well well, are you saying the men on the jury will have difficulty with the evidence because they are using the wrong head to think with?
I would think after hearing how men she has slept with ( coming from her own words) they would need to be sure if they plan to play they have a comdom designed by either Nasa or the Military, needs to some high grade stuff. I think men & woman will hear the case & be fair. Might want to do her, but they will be fair.:behindbar
 
Well well well, are you saying the men on the jury will have difficulty with the evidence because they are using the wrong head to think with?
I would think after hearing how men she has slept with ( coming from her own words) they would need to be sure if they plan to play they have a comdom designed by either Nasa or the Military, needs to some high grade stuff. I think men & woman will hear the case & be fair. Might want to do her, but they will be fair.:behindbar

Actually, my strong belief is that women are more emotional than men, by a good measure.
 
Experience has taught me that if your client is a women -- especially a decent looking woman -- it is usually best to try and stock the jury with men, all else being equal.

Depending on the charges, this may not hold true, but I really think there is a lot to the legendary cattiness between women that carries over to trials.

^^^ HUH?

On both points.

(I must need a RAM upgrade, because I can't compute these statements, especially together.)

Also note the 'bolded by me' phrase. Subconscious slip, Wudge? I mean, all of us 'Frails' are likely multi-faceted, and fufill many roles, but not many of us could honestly boast that we are 'women' in a singular body. Casey might fit the bill, [not proven or diagnosed,] but, most of us sing, 'I am WoMAN, hear me roar,' versus 'I am WoMEN, hear me obfuscate, obstruct and bely the obvious.'

Mind you, you might have a point in stocking the jury with Men-Folk when we apply our game-face & studiously selective attire. :rolleyes:

'splain points please, in detail, lest this be misinterpreted by prospective jurors of both genders, (and all persuasions,) out there all around the world.
 
It makes sense to me!! If someone was missing in my family r friends I sure wouldn't wait till trial to tell what I know.. :furious: As JB says KC is waiting to do.

(Bolded by me) Personally, I'm thrilled to learn KC intends to tell what she knows at her trial. I just can't figure out how JB intends KC to do that, since he can't possibly let her testify and be subject to cross-examination. (Although, God, how I would love it if he did.)

So, what sort of judicial judo does JB have in mind that would enable KC to tell what she knows without actually testifying to it in open court? Lemmee think. How about if he says,

"Your honor, my client can't possibly testify here to what she knows without endangering her child, but she has written it all down in invisible ink on these 12 identical post-it notes which her mother, Mrs. Cindy Complicit, has sworn under oath are true and complete. If your honor permits, I will pass them out to the jurors....?"

Pause for reply from judge...

"With all due respect, your honor, this is Florida and the sun shines all the time, everywhere. However, I'll be happy to tell our lawfirm's spokesperson, Mr. Todd Tedious, what to do with them when he gets back to his home state...

"Thank you, your honor. Now, since you won't allow my client, Miss Casey O'Cutie, to reveal everything she knows to the jury via her post-it notes, may I suggest we allow her to go over to the jurrors and whisper in each jurror's ear--after she whispers in yours and mine, of course?"

Apologies if this post isn't suitable for this thread or WS, but I'm quite new here and this case is making me crazy because nearly all the major participants are so impossibly IRRATIONAL. :puke::banghead:
 
^^^ HUH?

On both points.

(I must need a RAM upgrade, because I can't compute these statements, especially together.)

Also note the 'bolded by me' phrase. Subconscious slip, Wudge? I mean, all of us 'Frails' are likely multi-faceted, and fufill many roles, but not many of us could honestly boast that we are 'women' in a singular body. Casey might fit the bill, [not proven or diagnosed,] but, most of us sing, 'I am WoMAN, hear me roar,' versus 'I am WoMEN, hear me obfuscate, obstruct and bely the obvious.'

Mind you, you might have a point in stocking the jury with Men-Folk when we apply our game-face & studiously selective attire. :rolleyes:

'splain points please, in detail, lest this be misinterpreted by prospective jurors of both genders, (and all persuasions,) out there all around the world.

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
 
^^^ HUH?

On both points.

(I must need a RAM upgrade, because I can't compute these statements, especially together.)

Also note the 'bolded by me' phrase. Subconscious slip, Wudge? I mean, all of us 'Frails' are likely multi-faceted, and fufill many roles, but not many of us could honestly boast that we are 'women' in a singular body. Casey might fit the bill, [not proven or diagnosed,] but, most of us sing, 'I am WoMAN, hear me roar,' versus 'I am WoMEN, hear me obfuscate, obstruct and bely the obvious.'

Mind you, you might have a point in stocking the jury with Men-Folk when we apply our game-face & studiously selective attire. :rolleyes:

'splain points please, in detail, lest this be misinterpreted by prospective jurors of both genders, (and all persuasions,) out there all around the world.
I think it was just a typo.
 
(Bolded by me) Personally, I'm thrilled to learn KC intends to tell what she knows at her trial. I just can't figure out how JB intends KC to do that, since he can't possibly let her testify and be subject to cross-examination. (Although, God, how I would love it if he did.)

So, what sort of judicial judo does JB have in mind that would enable KC to tell what she knows without actually testifying to it in open court? Lemmee think. How about if he says,

"Your honor, my client can't possibly testify here to what she knows without endangering her child, but she has written it all down in invisible ink on these 12 identical post-it notes which her mother, Mrs. Cindy Complicit, has sworn under oath are true and complete. If your honor permits, I will pass them out to the jurors....?"

Pause for reply from judge...

"With all due respect, your honor, this is Florida and the sun shines all the time, everywhere. However, I'll be happy to tell our lawfirm's spokesperson, Mr. Todd Tedious, what to do with them when he gets back to his home state...

"Thank you, your honor. Now, since you won't allow my client, Miss Casey O'Cutie, to reveal everything she knows to the jury via her post-it notes, may I suggest we allow her to go over to the jurrors and whisper in each jurror's ear--after she whispers in yours and mine, of course?"

Apologies if this post isn't suitable for this thread or WS, but I'm quite new here and this case is making me crazy because nearly all the major participants are so impossibly IRRATIONAL. :puke::banghead:

Friday, it's Wednesday... and I needed some comic relief this am I am CRACKING up. Seriously, this would be hilarious if it weren't so TRUE!!! But I'm right there banging my head along with you...

:banghead:
 
(Bolded by me) Personally, I'm thrilled to learn KC intends to tell what she knows at her trial. I just can't figure out how JB intends KC to do that, since he can't possibly let her testify and be subject to cross-examination. (Although, God, how I would love it if he did.)

So, what sort of judicial judo does JB have in mind that would enable KC to tell what she knows without actually testifying to it in open court? Lemmee think. How about if he says,

"Your honor, my client can't possibly testify here to what she knows without endangering her child, but she has written it all down in invisible ink on these 12 identical post-it notes which her mother, Mrs. Cindy Complicit, has sworn under oath are true and complete. If your honor permits, I will pass them out to the jurors....?"

Pause for reply from judge...

"With all due respect, your honor, this is Florida and the sun shines all the time, everywhere. However, I'll be happy to tell our lawfirm's spokesperson, Mr. Todd Tedious, what to do with them when he gets back to his home state...

"Thank you, your honor. Now, since you won't allow my client, Miss Casey O'Cutie, to reveal everything she knows to the jury via her post-it notes, may I suggest we allow her to go over to the jurrors and whisper in each jurror's ear--after she whispers in yours and mine, of course?"

Apologies if this post isn't suitable for this thread or WS, but I'm quite new here and this case is making me crazy because nearly all the major participants are so impossibly IRRATIONAL. :puke::banghead:

When cross-examining various detectives, the defense can use LE's interrogation tapes that contain Casey's answers to the questions the detective asked her. This technique puts Casey's words and story into the trial record without requiring her to take the stand.

HTH
 
When cross-examining various detectives, the defense can use LE's interrogation tapes that contain Casey's answers to the questions the detective asked her. This technique puts Casey's words and story into the trial record without requiring her to take the stand.

HTH
Both the defence and the prosecution can use these tapes. This was very effectively done in the Scott Peterson case.
 
When cross-examining various detectives, the defense can use LE's interrogation tapes that contain Casey's answers to the questions the detective asked her. This technique puts Casey's words and story into the trial record without requiring her to take the stand.

HTH

It really depends upon FL evidentiary rules. Some states so NOT allow tapes to be played to a jury UNLESS the witness mis-states is prior testimony or recounts it in some way that the defense could then try to use the tapes to discredit him. So, if LE does their job on the witness stand, they probably won't come in (I stand to be corrected by any FL attorney out there - yoo hoo!!!)
 
SNIPPED: "Experience has taught me that if your client is a women -- especially a decent looking woman -- it is usually best to try and stock the jury with men, all else being equal..."

What expereince are you referencing?
 
I believe the larvae (maggots) will show this. We have just a small portion of the evidence LE has available and when it is released I believe it will be shocking how much evidence they really have.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Experience has taught me that if your client is a women -- especially a decent looking woman -- it is usually best to try and stock the jury with men, all else being equal.

Depending on the charges, this may not hold true, but I really think there is a lot to the legendary cattiness between women that carries over to trials.

Are you talking from a defense standpoint? Your comment is intriguing... tell us more. What would the best possible jury pool look like from the prosecution's side of things? And vice versa.
 
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