Revisiting George Anthony statements re: Greta on the Record Aug. '08

[Bobbisangel]

FWIW...there's a 14-page thread here regarding George & the gas cans...

ETA: And here's a detailed analysis showing how the cell pings support that George's account to the FBI is in synch w/ the objective evidence. Related to this post, we still don't know who "Lexus" is yet. My best speculation is that Lexus=Ricardo.

I watched the interview between George and the FBI and believed that he was being as honest and helpful as he could be. You could tell that he knew Cindy would be upset if she found out some of the things that he told them...he mentioned that a few times. I noticed that when Cindy isn't around George in open and tells the truth but when she is there he doesn't dare. He just goes along with whatever she is telling. I'll bet she tore him up after the FBI interview came out. He probably hasn't had a seconds piece since then.
While talking to the FBI he said things like "if you find out that Casey did something to Caylee it will kill my wife" or something close to that. That told me that George isn't closed minded to Casey committing this crime. He almost got sick when FBI were talking about the dirty pictures of Casey. He didn't doubt them though. I think he was just hoping that the pictures wouldn't be all over the internet. I would guess that he was open with the Grand Jury too.

 

[JoAnn_W]

I'm disappointed that George told two conflicting stories. Yes, I've lied- I get that people lie, but George has a law enforcement background and his lies were about a criminal investigation in reference to his missing granddaughter. I think that makes his lies more suspect.

I wonder if he is being blackmailed by Casey or it's as simple as a parent covering up for their child?

JoAnn_W

 

[marla]

I'm disappointed that George told two conflicting stories. Yes, I've lied- I get that people lie, but George has a law enforcement background and his lies were about a criminal investigation in reference to his missing granddaughter. I think that makes his lies more suspect.

I wonder if he is being blackmailed by Casey or it's as simple as a parent covering up for their child?

JoAnn_W

I see a man who loves his daughter unconditionally ..
Sadly, I'd have to say, I think he's just covering up for Casey .. : /

 

[JoAnn_W]

I see a man who loves his daughter unconditionally ..
Sadly, I'd have to say, I think he's just covering up for Casey .. : /

If that's so, why did he have a late start? Both Cindy and George were not on her side in the beginning. Cindy is the one who called the police- saying she wanted to press charges. Apparently she was armed with bank statements. In her 9-1-1 call she said her grandaughter is missing and her daughter's car smells like there's a body in there.

When the detectives came to the house the next morning to take Casey in for questioning, George approached the vehicle and told them Casey was hiding something. I believe he also snuck over to law enforcement (in the transcript I read something about Lee and Cindy not knowing he was there and George asking the detective to cover for him with his son). In that interview, George said he had experience with the smell of a dead body and something like: "I'll be honest with you, I don't like the smell in the car..."

Even Lee was describing her as a diabolical liar.

What happened that they now all want to cover up when in the beginning they were being more forthright with incriminating evidence? I mean, I've seen where a parent will coverup for their child- but they are like that every breathing moment- they deny-deny, defend, lie, have amnesia, etc. Real button-lip kinda people. What caused george Cindy and Lee to do a complete turnaround?

JoAnn

 

[JoAnn_W]

LE has picked up on these inconsistencies, right??? Please tell me they have!!??

Hopefully this will come out in trial. I can see the defense bringing it up- an eyewitness who said there was no body or smell in the car on the 24th.


JoAnn_W

 

[Ripley007]

I am struck by the "dance" of this family. CA tries to lead
all of them but the master is KC. As I listened to CA talking,it was so matter of fact, one would not guess a tragedy has occured. She speaks over GA, almost as if it were she that saw the gas cans.

One of the complaints coming from the A home, was financial difficulty related to paying so much for KC and Caylee. Yet, the unbelievable number of toys for one child
screams a different story. How many Elmo dolls does one
child need? The same was true for the sandbox, it would have seemed more appropriate for a daycare center.

KC has held the entired family hostage, through lies,
(I believe with threats), and fierce tension for years. The almost monotone of CA the uncertainy of GA, the overly
agreeable LA gives KC dogmatic control. KC does not sound like her parents. There is a sharpness to her voice
that when she is more aggitated becomes so tight in the back of her throat, it is difficult to understand. She has been able to distort reality for the family. There was no doubt or hesitation with them that she was working at
Universal for years. If she said it was always night and never daytime, somehow they would believe it.

Though these observations, were not addressing the exact question, it does apply to the intercommunication within
the family setting. It is confusing at it's best.

Mind Student

ITA-the depiction of Caylee's room and the ridiculous amount of toys has always bothered me. I specifically also posted before about the 4 elmo dolls. My kids are now grown, so, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought these Elmo dolls were "hard-to-find", yet Caylee had 4? And even if not hard-to-find WHY 4? Call me suspicious but me thinks a "staging" may have taken place for the cameras benifit???

 

[tasylshari]

If that's so, why did he have a late start? Both Cindy and George were not on her side in the beginning. Cindy is the one who called the police- saying she wanted to press charges. Apparently she was armed with bank statements. In her 9-1-1 call she said her grandaughter is missing and her daughter's car smells like there's a body in there.

When the detectives came to the house the next morning to take Casey in for questioning, George approached the vehicle and told them Casey was hiding something. I believe he also snuck over to law enforcement (in the transcript I read something about Lee and Cindy not knowing he was there and George asking the detective to cover for him with his son). In that interview, George said he had experience with the smell of a dead body and something like: "I'll be honest with you, I don't like the smell in the car..."

Even Lee was describing her as a diabolical liar.

What happened that they now all want to cover up when in the beginning they were being more forthright with incriminating evidence? I mean, I've seen where a parent will coverup for their child- but they are like that every breathing moment- they deny-deny, defend, lie, have amnesia, etc. Real button-lip kinda people. What caused george Cindy and Lee to do a complete turnaround?
JoAnn

Hi JoAnn: that answer is the only easy one here IMO......as soon as the A's realized that LE was smarter than they were - able to discover that Casey never had a job, that Casey was a diabolical liar, Casey was dancing on stripper poles instead of looking for her missing 2 yr old, Casey blaming everything on ZFG who does not exist, etc. etc. etc.
they united in their "you're just out to implicate sweetheart, darling Casey" defense mode. The A's are stuck in that mode IMO to this day. They know, but are refusing to acknowledge or believe, that Casey murdered Caylee and have kept their focus on defending Casey. Caylee is dead and they are powerless to protect her, so they continue to "protect" Casey. This is all sooooooo wrong and warped. I think that I'm going to send GA & CA a children's book on telling lies - - - better that they learn to teach their children that lying is bad late, than never

 

[nyvictoria]

I watched the interview between George and the FBI and believed that he was being as honest and helpful as he could be. You could tell that he knew Cindy would be upset if she found out some of the things that he told them...he mentioned that a few times. I noticed that when Cindy isn't around George in open and tells the truth but when she is there he doesn't dare. He just goes along with whatever she is telling. I'll bet she tore him up after the FBI interview came out. He probably hasn't had a seconds piece since then.
While talking to the FBI he said things like "if you find out that Casey did something to Caylee it will kill my wife" or something close to that. That told me that George isn't closed minded to Casey committing this crime. He almost got sick when FBI were talking about the dirty pictures of Casey. He didn't doubt them though. I think he was just hoping that the pictures wouldn't be all over the internet. I would guess that he was open with the Grand Jury too.

I agree...George knew then (and still knows) exactly what Casey was capable of doing. IMO George tried to be truthful, particularly with the FBI, but without Cindy directing him (to lie) he had difficulty staying on topic. His statements and answers to the FBI were all over the place. When speaking to the media he was much more focused, concise and careful with his words. He had to tell the truth according to Cindy...thus the contradictions. I am not condoning George's flip-flopping, merely agreeing he tried to be as truthful as he could with LE when first confronted with the reality of what his daughter did.

I don't doubt for one second that Cindy browbeat George to the point where he believed that suicide was the only way out. She probably made him feel it was his failure as a father that caused Casey's behavior and Caylee's death. She surely blamed his statements to the GJ for landing Casey behind bars.

Cindy is diabolical! Casey's behavior is a reflection Cindy's overbearing parenting/partnering and George's lack of male testes. Grrrrrr! I will stop now, as I'm getting OT and too close to a time out

As always, JMHO

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I'm disappointed that George told two conflicting stories. Yes, I've lied- I get that people lie, but George has a law enforcement background and his lies were about a criminal investigation in reference to his missing granddaughter. I think that makes his lies more suspect.

I wonder if he is being blackmailed by Casey or it's as simple as a parent covering up for their child?

JoAnn_W

I have always thought he was involved.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

If that's so, why did he have a late start? Both Cindy and George were not on her side in the beginning. Cindy is the one who called the police- saying she wanted to press charges. Apparently she was armed with bank statements. In her 9-1-1 call she said her grandaughter is missing and her daughter's car smells like there's a body in there.

When the detectives came to the house the next morning to take Casey in for questioning, George approached the vehicle and told them Casey was hiding something. I believe he also snuck over to law enforcement (in the transcript I read something about Lee and Cindy not knowing he was there and George asking the detective to cover for him with his son). In that interview, George said he had experience with the smell of a dead body and something like: "I'll be honest with you, I don't like the smell in the car..."

Even Lee was describing her as a diabolical liar.

What happened that they now all want to cover up when in the beginning they were being more forthright with incriminating evidence? I mean, I've seen where a parent will coverup for their child- but they are like that every breathing moment- they deny-deny, defend, lie, have amnesia, etc. Real button-lip kinda people. What caused george Cindy and Lee to do a complete turnaround?

JoAnn

They found the body? I think they did.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

George said when he picked up the Pontiac at the tow yard, due to the powerful smell in the car, he had to force himself to open up the trunk. He was holding his breath so-to-speak because he feared what he might find in there. He expressed relief that the bodies of KC or Caylee were not found there.

Regarding the gas can incident as I remember it - First George stated he ran ahead of KC insisting he could grab the tool he was after quickly while at the same time KC insisted she could get the tool. He opened the trunk and found the gas cans. The assumption was that KC was trying to hide the fact of the gas cans being in the trunk. Later his story changed to the version that KC ran to the trunk, grabbed the cans and thrust them at him while swearing at him, making it sound as if he never looked in the trunk.

It could be that the tow yard and gas can "stories" are getting mixed up.

Whenever I start to waiver about KC's involvement, I remember the abandoned car that smelled like death and the trunk with stains, squirrels and pizza. Helps me regain my perspective that KC knows exactly what happened to cause Caylee's death.

 

[Friday]

I wonder if LE or the SA asked Fox to take it down or edit it because they plan on using it as evidence at trial?

I'm more inclined to think that If LE had made that request, Fox's immediate response would have been to make LE's request their lead "Teaser" news item accompanied by broadcasting the exact segment LE wanted them to take down.

 

[Friday]

Confusing it is, I think we have all spent so much time trying to "understand" why they do the things they do that, at times, it has taken the focus off of the real issue here, Caylee is dead and her mother killed her. My opinion.

I can easily understand why you feel that way, SFT, but speaking for myself and perhaps some others like me, it is only because I mourn for Caylee and desperately want justice for her that I'm willing to spend my time trying to "understand" the very people who otherwise repell, sicken, frighten, sadden, and horrify me.

You're so right--"Caylee is dead and her mother killed her." For that reason, and only that reason, I stay here--and along with you and fellow WSs--I voluntarily wade through the smelly, disgusting muck of lies and hidden agendas because I'm desperate for reassuring facts or clues or meaningful minutia.

I'll admit that in my heart, I'm somewhat afraid the A's are going to successfully collaborate with the defense and enable Casey to be acquitted. For that reason, I find it reassuring that here at WS, the A's past and present behavior is kept under constant, close scrutiny.

I'll also admit that (perhaps foolishly) I'm convinced that--God forbid--if LE were to overlook something small but significant, one or more dedicated, talented WSs might catch it in time.

All of this is because I cannot make myself forget that little "Caylee is dead and her mother killed her."

I can promise you this though, the day after Casey is finally convicted and sentenced for that murder, I intend to scrub every memory of the Anthonys out of my mind. I never want to hear, or read, or see, another reference to any of them.

:blowkiss:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I can easily understand why you feel that way, SFT, but speaking for myself and perhaps some others like me, it is only because I mourn for Caylee and desperately want justice for her that I'm willing to spend my time trying to "understand" the very people who otherwise repell, sicken, frighten, sadden, and horrify me.

You're so right--"Caylee is dead and her mother killed her." For that reason, and only that reason, I stay here--and along with you and fellow WSs--I voluntarily wade through the smelly, disgusting muck of lies and hidden agendas because I'm desperate for reassuring facts or clues or meaningful minutia.

I'll admit that in my heart, I'm somewhat afraid the A's are going to successfully collaborate with the defense and enable Casey to be acquitted. For that reason, I find it reassuring that here at WS, the A's past and present behavior is kept under constant, close scrutiny.

I'll also admit that (perhaps foolishly) I'm convinced that--God forbid--if LE were to overlook something small but significant, one or more dedicated, talented WSs might catch it in time.

All of this is because I cannot make myself forget that little "Caylee is dead and her mother killed her."

I can promise you this though, the day after Casey is finally convicted and sentenced for that murder, I intend to scrub every memory of the Anthonys out of my mind. I never want to hear, or read, or see, another reference to any of them.

:blowkiss:

Oh I understand totally the interest in this case. I too am emtionally invested in this case. I do sometimes think that the crime gets lost in the background, but I am as much to blame as anyone for focusing on things like Cindy and George and their statements and unexplainable behavior after Caylee went missing.

 

[Friday]

Oh I understand totally the interest in this case. I too am emtionally invested in this case. I do sometimes think that the crime gets lost in the background, but I am as much to blame as anyone for focusing on things like Cindy and George and their statements and unexplainable behavior after Caylee went missing.

I know exactly what you mean. I don't know about you, but I keep thinking that buried within all their conflicting statements and unexplainable behavior, there's some sort of hugely incriminating clue that will tip everything in LE's favor. If we could just figure it out. :blowkiss:

 

[The World According]

So, George tells the FBI that he DID see inside the trunk, clothing, blue bin,etc...but then tells the OCSO in a sperate interview that he DID NOT see inside the trunk. Humm..

If he saw laundry in the trunk, dear God , could he have seen the laundry bag that poor little baby was in and of course just thought it was a bag of clothes Miss worker bee was taking to the cleaners? I have to watch that interview again. Do you have the link?

 

[AZlawyer]

If he saw laundry in the trunk, dear God , could he have seen the laundry bag that poor little baby was in and of course just thought it was a bag of clothes Miss worker bee was taking to the cleaners? I have to watch that interview again. Do you have the link?

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I can't remember if he said "laundry" or "clothes"... if "laundry," you have to wonder if the discovery of the laundry bag with the remains is what sent him over the edge (suicide attempt), if he realized that's what he saw in the trunk on the 24th.

It appears there is no transcript for that FBI interview, but I know the video is on the "official documents" thread somewhere.

 

[Marina2]

I think GA saw or at least smelled something in that trunk that day. On the 25th, KC, by her own admission, stated that the car smelled of death. This was when she texted AH about how bad her car smelled. That trunk didn't go from no smell on the 24th to smelling bad enough on the 25th that KC went into cya mode with her text to AH. If GA saw enough of the inside of the trunk to state that there were clothes in it, he was close enough to smell the odor of death. Something is not right with his story.

 

[The World According]

Oh I understand totally the interest in this case. I too am emtionally invested in this case. I do sometimes think that the crime gets lost in the background, but I am as much to blame as anyone for focusing on things like Cindy and George and their statements and unexplainable behavior after Caylee went missing.

I think the reason this case is so fascinating is because everyone knows someone with a little bit of KC in them, a mom that is totally taking advantage of her family's help and support or someone that lies for no apparent reason, God knows we all had our partying days in college (only thank God there was no internet to memorialize it all in photos), or a friend that we think is raising totally spoiled, entitled children and we think they are doing a huge disservice to them ,setting them up to fail because we know that behavior will not be tolerated, ever, not at school, not at any job, not in their adult relationships, etc. And we are all wondering if not for the grace of God, could this have happened to someone we thought we knew, that we thought just needed to grow up. It seems to be the general opinion of her friends, she was a party buddy, so what, yeah she lied a lot, who cares, we know she is always bsing but that is just KC, even her brother told AL, "I went through that lying stage too, real bad, only mine was in high school and hers is now". Everyone saw her as someone with an arrested development, but NEVER A KILLER. I think this is why it is so fascinating , everyone knows someone with a little bit of KC in them. It is a startling wake up call to bring back good old fashioned family values, rules and standards that are very clear in your family and taking what we model for the young people in our lives more seriously. It makes me want to sit down with a few old episodes of the Waltons and think of my grandparents, their work ethic, their "earn it" and pride they took in their hard work for their family. It is humbling to know that children learn what they live. I'm going to pray to conduct myself accordingly. I haven't always.
Here's my favorite poem:

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.

Copyright © 1972 by Dorothy Law Nolte

The only way the DA is going to be able to get the A family out of lying to protect their daughter mode is to preface any important questions with a lot of softball questions about how much they adored their little Caylee, get them vulnerable and in that place, and then shame them in to telling the truth. I will be interested to watch the Prosecutor, (I think you call them something else in your area SA not DA, right?)

 

[marla]

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I can't remember if he said "laundry" or "clothes"... if "laundry," you have to wonder if the discovery of the laundry bag with the remains is what sent him over the edge (suicide attempt), if he realized that's what he saw in the trunk on the 24th.

It appears there is no transcript for that FBI interview, but I know the video is on the "official documents" thread somewhere.

I remeber it too ..
George definitely said a laundry or clothes bag ..