RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

[seenabp]

Thanks. Going south on Ives, the neighborhood looks less fancy and more dense. (Is that a place where students live?) I also notice that that area is not that far from the 195 highway, which gives one access to other highways and might make for a quick getaway if he parked a vehicle somewhere around there.

Yes, students (especially grad students i would say) live in that area south on Ives. It does have quick access to the highway and parking is easier than it is closer to College Hill.

 

[brib809]

For a completely innocent explanation as to the "chase"... It's possible POI dropped something in his hurry to get around the corner and out of sight, and person 2 was trying to catch up to give it back or admonish them for littering.

I mean I guess that is possible, but I feel like they would just yell at the person at that point. It seems highly unlikely that they would chase after the person to give them something/get that angry over littering as opposed to just yelling from a distance. Especially given the circumstances I don’t see that being very realistic

 

[m00c0w]

I mean I guess that is possible, but I feel like they would just yell at the person at that point. It seems highly unlikely that they would chase after the person to give them something/get that angry over littering as opposed to just yelling from a distance. Especially given the circumstances I don’t see that being very realistic

This whole thing is a large collection of bizarre scenarios. I’m not sure I find it particularly probable, but I do think it’s a possibility given the very small number of reasons for such behavior to begin with.

 

[Sleuthiana]

For a completely innocent explanation as to the "chase"... It's possible POI dropped something in his hurry to get around the corner and out of sight, and person 2 was trying to catch up to give it back or admonish them for littering.

Another theory… what if when person 2 turned the corner. They saw person 1 running and immediately started running too because there is an active shooter loose. So obviously if you see someone running, then you would start running without question.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Another theory… what if when person 2 turned the corner. They saw person 1 running and immediately started running too because there is an active shooter loose. So obviously if you see someone running, then you would start running without question.

I'm pretty sure the running/approach of the second person happened well before the shooting. During the multiple hours the suspect was "wandering" over a several block area.

After the shooting, IIUC, he was seen on a very few cameras leaving the area via a different route than he covered beforehand.

Someone please correct me if any of that is incorrect.

 

[Cryptic]

Was the target Brown University, the engineering department, specific people, random people?

I would say that targeting specific people is less likely.

The review class was optional, so it would be difficult to know if a specific student target was going to be there. Likewise, it was being taught by a teaching assistant and not a professor.

This would reduce the possibility of a specific professor being the target. My guess is that full professors at elite universities are not given to presenting two hours long, formal review sessions. That is what graduate students are for- right? If so, a perpetrator familiar with universities would know that a specific professor giving the review would be unlikely.

Though the target could have been specific teaching assistant, assignments like teaching a certain review class could rotate between several teaching assistants. The name of the instructor may not of been posted. Rather, the schedule could have just stated something like: Review for final Economics 200 / Hobbes' Leviathan. Instructor: To be assigned.

 

[Dripfield]

User on Reddit who claims to have seen the POI and their car:

https://www.reddit.com/r/providence/s/NhWimeEXk2

 

[Charlot123]

They look like winter crocks to me.
Purple with white stripe.
I noticed that in some countries they are popular all year round.
(But not where I live )
JMO

I’d say crocks are very popular on the West coast as the weather is milder here. But not on the East coast as the ground is colder in winter.

 

[wibbleflea]

Another theory… what if when person 2 turned the corner. They saw person 1 running and immediately started running too because there is an active shooter loose. So obviously if you see someone running, then you would start running without question.

This happened 1h45m before any publicly shooting, though.

Edit: posted this before seeing the post by @Auntie Cipation

 

[Sillybilly]

User on Reddit who claims to have seen the POI and their car:

https://www.reddit.com/r/providence/s/NhWimeEXk2

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[Sillybilly]

What we can see of this individual's eyes has bothered me right from the first pic. IMO, they seem very tiny and too small and narrow set in relation to the size of his face and general body structure. I wondered if he was possibly wearing a face mask in addition to the usual black Covid type mask .

In this photo on the left if you zoom in or enlarge it:

image from https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/br...nt-12-15-25?post-id=cmj7skzzj0000356p43s8iti5

you can see the bottom and top black elastics that come horizontally off the black medical mask at chin level and ear level, but there appears to be some other kind of straps between the top of the black medi mask and the toque.

I also noticed what seems to be a discoloured (?) thickness around the neck area below the black medi mask and at one point thought he might be wearing some type of cowl neck scarf or turtleneck. Am now wondering if they are sporting on of those uber realistic face masks with the other masks overlaid.

Cropped and enlarged from the above left image:

If this has been discussed before, my apologies as we don't get to read every single thing.

 

[whitelilac]

^ My early impression was that he has a beard, since the mask is so low under his chin, particularly in the front view pic. Seemed to me that his features are out of proportion unless he has a heavy jaw/chin, or beard.
Now I'm not sure given the more recent side view photos.
I did not think of a double mask.

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks.

I have spent a lot of time in NYC, but have only been to New England once. As a result, I was wondering if there was a corridor between say, NYC - Newport- Boston, where there would still be good numbers of people with out cars and having some NYC style public transportation.

Nope. The "corridor" is I-95.

In summer, we flew to NYC and after a couple of days, decided to visit our friends in MA. We rented a car in NYC and drove through Connecticut and RI to Massachusetts. It is easy and fast, but one has to have a car.

 

[TristanP]

I’d say crocks are very popular on the West coast as the weather is milder here. But not on the East coast as the ground is colder in winter.

I see you're not familiar with the beloved fleece-lined Crocs for colder climates!

 

[Charlot123]

I see you're not familiar with the beloved fleece-lined Crocs for colder climates!

His don't look like it! Granted they don't look like heavy boots either. His ones look like aquatic socks or water boots, not fit for winter in Rhode Island - it is not too cold in NE so far, but the ground is cold.

 

[Skigh]

What we can see of this individual's eyes has bothered me right from the first pic. IMO, they seem very tiny and too small and narrow set in relation to the size of his face and general body structure. I wondered if he was possibly wearing a face mask in addition to the usual black Covid type mask .

In this photo on the left if you zoom in or enlarge it:

View attachment 631439

image from https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/br...nt-12-15-25?post-id=cmj7skzzj0000356p43s8iti5

you can see the bottom and top black elastics that come horizontally off the black medical mask at chin level and ear level, but there appears to be some other kind of straps between the top of the black medi mask and the toque.

I also noticed what seems to be a discoloured (?) thickness around the neck area below the black medi mask and at one point thought he might be wearing some type of cowl neck scarf or turtleneck. Am now wondering if they are sporting on of those uber realistic face masks with the other masks overlaid.

Cropped and enlarged from the above left image:

View attachment 631443

If this has been discussed before, my apologies as we don't get to read every single thing.

I agree with you about the possibility that he could have been wearing a face mask.
It might be a bit far fetched,but it also went through my mind to wonder whether he might have been wearing a fat suit to disguise his figure.

 

[Charlot123]

What we can see of this individual's eyes has bothered me right from the first pic. IMO, they seem very tiny and too small and narrow set in relation to the size of his face and general body structure. I wondered if he was possibly wearing a face mask in addition to the usual black Covid type mask .

In this photo on the left if you zoom in or enlarge it:

View attachment 631439

image from https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/br...nt-12-15-25?post-id=cmj7skzzj0000356p43s8iti5

you can see the bottom and top black elastics that come horizontally off the black medical mask at chin level and ear level, but there appears to be some other kind of straps between the top of the black medi mask and the toque.

I also noticed what seems to be a discoloured (?) thickness around the neck area below the black medi mask and at one point thought he might be wearing some type of cowl neck scarf or turtleneck. Am now wondering if they are sporting on of those uber realistic face masks with the other masks overlaid.

Cropped and enlarged from the above left image:

View attachment 631443

If this has been discussed before, my apologies as we don't get to read every single thing.

The lower strap…at first I thought it was an odd way for additional hold of the black mask under the chin. But on looking closer, I noticed that it is lighter (grayish) and is attached to something grayish-beige in front of it. I am beginning to wonder if it is a “beard pocket”. Does such thing exist?

P.S. apparently a beard pocket is something different it holds different beard combs etc. So what I am talking about may be a “beard pouch”. I wonder if he does wear a beard and it is important to him because of beauty, camouflaging (changes his face), unusual color (e.g.red) or shape. It could be cultural, too. And he doesn’t want to shave it nor for witnesses to notice it. And also, a beard hair left at the crime scene has DNA. So he uses a special pouch for it.

 

[TristanP]

I agree with you about the possibility that he could have been wearing a face mask.
It might be a bit far fetched,but it also went through my mind to wonder whether he might have been wearing a fat suit to disguise his figure.

I don't think he is actually overweight. The belly looks like one of those pregnancy bellies for actors.

There's something about his movements that don't match with a real belly that big.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If the suspect and new person whose image they released today worked together, it makes no sense to me why the second person was not also wearing a mask.

I'm dipping in and out of this thread so may have missed this point, but if the gunman had a beard part of the purpose of the mask could have been to hide the fact and also make it less likely for a beard hair to have been left at the scene.

If a beard (or head) hair was left, that could be the source of the DNA they have.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I think LE might have an idea because they have seen the video that the still came from and watching this person walking might clue in more on the feminine/masculine walk.

Typically, men walk with a more straight-legged gait than women do. However, when women reach a certain degree of obesity, their gait changes in response. They tend to swing the leg outwards in a slight circle in order to get it past a sagging belly, and that forces a more straight-legged gait. When they become extremely or morbidly obese, the excess weight also forces their knees inwards to produce the knock-kneed gait you see.