RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

[99cats]

In this report, Fox guy says that his sources tell him there were unspent rounds recovered from the shooting. That opens up a lot of doors, and probably means the DNA stuff that’s been talked about will be somewhat fruitful. Spent casings will probably not have viable DNA because of the heat. Unspent is crazy.

Also makes you wonder how this person left unspent rounds and if we have another Kohberger situation. Did a lot of methodical planning but absolutely botched it when it got real.

I do wonder if the unspent rounds is because he did manage to shoot his target (if the target was indeed one of the students that were shot) or if he realized his target wasn't in the room.

 

[JennieM]

less than 1 min ago

News conference on the Brown University shooting probe delayed​

From CNN's Danny E Freeman and Emma Tucker

The news conference on the Brown University shooting investigation originally scheduled at 4 p.m. ET today has been delayed, a spokesperson for the Providence mayor told CNN.

The spokesperson did not provide a time when the news conference will be rescheduled, but said officials will do so “soon,” as authorities enter their sixth day in the manhunt for the suspect in Saturday’s deadly mass shooting.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/brown-university-shooting-suspect-12-18-25

 

[MassGuy]

What about Sandy Hook? Reverse order, he killed his mom first and then went to the school? Maybe more of a domestic than an assassination.

Psychologically, it does seem that this shooter would be more likely to have a hit list of assassinations or do a multiple location mass shooting. Maybe something spooked him and he thought a second mass shooting at a school, especially one 50 miles away and also Ivy League (which certainly put campus security into overdrive) was simply too risky?

Or, Occam's Razor, investigators are doing due diligence by checking out some of the obvious similarities that are merely coincidental.

That's a super common pattern. I was thinking of Charles Whitman, but found these too.

• Kip Kinkel (USA, 1998) — killed both parents before the Thurston High School shooting (Oregon).
• Evan Ramsey (USA, 1997) — killed his father before the Bethel High School shooting (Alaska).
• Charles Andrew Williams (USA, 2001) — killed his grandmother (legal guardian) before the Santana High School shooting (California).
• Jeffrey “Jeff” Weise (USA, 2005) — killed his grandfather (legal guardian) and his grandfather’s partner before the Red Lake Senior High School shooting (Minnesota).
• Adam Lanza (USA, 2012) — killed his mother before the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (Connecticut).

I'm totally open to both cases being connected, but if you were to suggest it a couple days ago, I'd lean very much against it.

The old adage is "a serial killer intends to get away with it, a mass murderer doesn't, and a spree killer hasn't thought that far ahead."

I've seen a serial killer become a spree killer, but I haven't seen a mass murderer become an assassin, which is its own category. The psychology is very different.

ETA: The math does change if this Brown attack was targeting a specific person, but the issue is all the collateral damage. He could just be a really bad shot though.

 

[justtrish]

Just thought LE would advise them not to.

They probably did. The initial post was made BEFORE they spoke to LE. They stated they called or sent in the tip. Then yesterday was an additional post letting people know they sat down with LE that day and this was all they were going to say about it. I think they made that post because people kept commenting on the first one and even saying they were screenshotting the post and sending it to FBI and so on. I think the update was to just reassure people they did sit down with LE and it was being looked into.

 

[Barry]

I've decided to stop thinking/over-thinking for the moment. All's quite on the frontal lobe.

 

[Lebowski]

well if the "nissan parked next to RIHS" pans out, then whoever was saying he was parked on cooke street nailed it.

 

[crhedBngr]

Police identify person of interest in Brown University shooting, sources say

Authorities are now searching for the individual as the hunt for the shooter entered a sixth day.

www.bbc.co.uk

Interesting.

JMVHO.

 

[99cats]

Regarding the connections between the killing of Professor Loureiro and the shooting at Brown, I do want to point out the connection beyond the obvious (connections to elite higher education in the Northeast).

1. Loureiro was a Professor of Nuclear Science and Engineering, and the building targeted at Brown housed the School of Engineering. I'd be curious if there was one person who attended both Brown and MIT in the Engineering department.
2. Professor Friedberg received her PhD. at MIT (of course, a long time before Professor Loureiro started at MIT). Perhaps a long time MIT staff member and/or professor had a grudge, although this is less likely.
3. Professor Friedberg was an expert on Israeli economic and Professor Loureiro was allegedly a supporter of Israel.

I'd be curious what caused LE to go from "there is no evidence that these are related" to investigating possible links. I'm guessing either ballistics or someone spotted the grey Nissan with Florida plates. But perhaps they narrowed down on a suspect that threatened both professors and/or departments, or attended both institutions?

 

[m00c0w]

That's a super common pattern. I was thinking of Charles Whitman, but found these too.

• Kip Kinkel (USA, 1998) — killed both parents before the Thurston High School shooting (Oregon).
• Evan Ramsey (USA, 1997) — killed his father before the Bethel High School shooting (Alaska).
• Charles Andrew Williams (USA, 2001) — killed his grandmother (legal guardian) before the Santana High School shooting (California).
• Jeffrey “Jeff” Weise (USA, 2005) — killed his grandfather (legal guardian) and his grandfather’s partner before the Red Lake Senior High School shooting (Minnesota).
• Adam Lanza (USA, 2012) — killed his mother before the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (Connecticut).

I'm totally open to both cases being connected, but if you were to suggest it a couple days ago, I'd lean very much against it.

The old adage is "a serial killer intends to get away with it, a mass murderer doesn't, and a spree killer hasn't thought that far ahead."

I've seen a serial killer become a spree killer, but I haven't seen a mass murderer become an assassin, which is its own category. The psychology is very different.

ETA: The math does change if this Brown attack was targeting a specific person, but the issue is all the collateral damage. He could just be a really bad shot though.

My thing is he went into a specific building and into a specific room. Witnesses say the first two people that were killed, were killed because they were basically on their way to leave the room when he entered. I do wonder if he expected someone to be in the room that wasn’t.

It also doesn’t track that this was someone against higher education or wokeness in general or anything like that, if the MIT assassination is connected. That was a very specific person targeted at their home address.

If they are connected, I’m leaning towards either a disgruntled colleague in the same physics community that felt harmed by at least two specific people, one at Brown, one at MIT… or something equally personal that would have made the shooter motivated enough to go into a public place and attempt to kill the person that “wronged” them.

A lot of ifs.

JMO

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

What we can see of this individual's eyes has bothered me right from the first pic. IMO, they seem very tiny and too small and narrow set in relation to the size of his face and general body structure. I wondered if he was possibly wearing a face mask in addition to the usual black Covid type mask .

In this photo on the left if you zoom in or enlarge it:

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image from https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/br...nt-12-15-25?post-id=cmj7skzzj0000356p43s8iti5

you can see the bottom and top black elastics that come horizontally off the black medical mask at chin level and ear level, but there appears to be some other kind of straps between the top of the black medi mask and the toque.

I also noticed what seems to be a discoloured (?) thickness around the neck area below the black medi mask and at one point thought he might be wearing some type of cowl neck scarf or turtleneck. Am now wondering if they are sporting on of those uber realistic face masks with the other masks overlaid.

Cropped and enlarged from the above left image:

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If this has been discussed before, my apologies as we don't get to read every single thing.

I noticed the eye appearance, too! I was confused by it and couldn't figure it out.

 

[whitelilac]

That the PC has been postponed, and no word when it will happen, certainly seems to point to major headway in the case, and that things may be happening fast.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

That's a super common pattern. I was thinking of Charles Whitman, but found these too.

• Kip Kinkel (USA, 1998) — killed both parents before the Thurston High School shooting (Oregon).
• Evan Ramsey (USA, 1997) — killed his father before the Bethel High School shooting (Alaska).
• Charles Andrew Williams (USA, 2001) — killed his grandmother (legal guardian) before the Santana High School shooting (California).
• Jeffrey “Jeff” Weise (USA, 2005) — killed his grandfather (legal guardian) and his grandfather’s partner before the Red Lake Senior High School shooting (Minnesota).
• Adam Lanza (USA, 2012) — killed his mother before the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (Connecticut).

I'm totally open to both cases being connected, but if you were to suggest it a couple days ago, I'd lean very much against it.

The old adage is "a serial killer intends to get away with it, a mass murderer doesn't, and a spree killer hasn't thought that far ahead."

I've seen a serial killer become a spree killer, but I haven't seen a mass murderer become an assassin, which is its own category. The psychology is very different.

ETA: The math does change if this Brown attack was targeting a specific person, but the issue is all the collateral damage. He could just be a really bad shot

For some reason, I felt from the get go that these two crimes were connected.
They both seemed so random and out of place. They both involved Jewish professors. Plus coupling all that with the Australian shooting.
What if the guy at Brown was wandering around the neighborhood trying to find the Brown professor’s house, to kill her there. He got frustrated and headed to campus and just fired into a classroom he thought she might be in. On Monday, he shot the MIT professor in his home as planned.
Might be wrong about it all, but it sounds like something is actually happening today which is good.

 

[MassGuy]

Watching local news here in Massachusetts, and the anchor made a very good point.

The evidence is likely to be much stronger in the Brookline MIT professor shooting, because the layout is conducive to a suspect (specifically vehicle) being caught on camera.

So he opined that it's possible investigators worked this in reverse, connecting Brookline to Brown, and not the other way around.

So they may have seen a car or a person in Brookline that matched something that was spotted at Brown.

I don't know if he had sources saying this, or if it was just him spitballing, but I really like the theory.

 

[99cats]

For some reason, I felt from the get go that these two crimes were connected.
They both seemed so random and out of place. They both involved Jewish professors. Plus coupling all that with the Australian shooting.
What if the guy at Brown was wandering around the neighborhood trying to find the Brown professor’s house, to kill her there. He got frustrated and headed to campus and just fired into a classroom he thought she might be in. On Monday, he shot the MIT professor in his home as planned.
Might be wrong about it all, but it sounds like something is actually happening today which is good.

I agree that it's connected. I do want to point out that, as far as I can tell, there's no proof that Professor Loureiro was Jewish. But I really feel that these two cases are connected. The timing, location, and connections to higher Ed are - at least in my mind - entirely too coincidental.

 

[seenabp]

That the PC has been postponed, and no word when it will happen, certainly seems to point to major headway in the case, and that things may be happening fast.

WPRI reports there will be a briefing “at some point this evening.” https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news/providence/brown-university-reports-active-shooter/

 

[brib809]

NYT saying authorities believe vehicle used in both cases may be the same

Brown Shooting: Authorities Search for a Person With Possible Connection to MIT Killing

Investigators are also examining the possibility that the case is connected to the killing of an M.I.T. professor in his home in Massachusetts.

www.nytimes.com

 

[justtrish]

Watching local news here in Massachusetts, and the anchor made a very good point.

The evidence is likely to be much stronger in the Brookline MIT professor shooting, because the layout is conducive to a suspect (specifically vehicle) being caught on camera.

So he opined that it's possible investigators worked this in reverse, connecting Brookline to Brown, and not the other way around.

So they may have seen a car or a person in Brookline that matched something that was spotted at Brown.

I don't know if he had sources saying this, or if it was just him spitballing, but I really like the theory.

I am noticing a news helicopter circling near Boston, specifically Central Square seems to be center with Eagle Hill also being in there. Is this typical for news out of Boston for maybe monitoring traffic or something like that? I was trying to see if anything jumped out at me on the flight radar for Providence to Boston areas and that sure did.

So earlier it was News 7 and now this one is News 4 Skyeye.

 

[getthefax]

Watching local news here in Massachusetts, and the anchor made a very good point.

The evidence is likely to be much stronger in the Brookline MIT professor shooting, because the layout is conducive to a suspect (specifically vehicle) being caught on camera.

So he opined that it's possible investigators worked this in reverse, connecting Brookline to Brown, and not the other way around.

So they may have seen a car or a person in Brookline that matched something that was spotted at Brown.

I don't know if he had sources saying this, or if it was just him spitballing, but I really like the theory.

I like this theory a whole lot.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Yeah, but you're talking about the same type of event, just repeated.

Here you've got a mass shooting, pivoting to what amounts to an assassination. I can't find any precedent.

And of course the two cases potentially being "linked" does not necessarily mean the same shooter in both cases, nor the exact same scenario (mass killing vs assassination etc).

They could be two different shooters but part of the same group or ideology, perhaps spurred on by the same specific inspiration/motivation.

And, horrifyingly, if that's the case there could be who-knows-how-many others out there waiting for the 'right' moment to play out their own incidents.

 

[marloweclover]

JMO. If someone didn't go to college, or went to a small school where TAs were not so common, etc, they might well think a scheduled review session would be led by the actual professor.