RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

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Has there been any information why he was let go from his position? I would guess that it was something he did at the same time as he was studying, and the spring term was the last before graduation, as he went on to study at Brown University in the autumn that year. Maybe he didn't have time enough for both his final studies and the work, perhaps the school needed someone working more hours, and Neves Valente had to chose between concentrating on his studies or on the work. Until there's more information about why he was let go, we don't know why, a person may chose to leave a job without them having done anything wrong to have got a termination notice.
Someone made a point that the position he held at IST is akin to a TAship in the US, so when a student graduates they can no longer hold that position as it's passed on to the incoming students. The use of the term "terminated" threw me off, but as it was pointed out, he left to attend Brown it appears.
 
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Summary of how he was caught.

I did not hear about this particular tip (unless I missed it) which led police to the particular car rental agency.
"Another tip came from someone who reported seeing an individual at a rental car outlet who the tipster believed matched the person seen in footage released by police on Wednesday, a law enforcement official told CNN."

 
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Portuguese police are cooperating with US authorities on investigation, department says​

From CNN's Alisha Ebrahimji and Vasco Cotovio
The Polícia Judiciária, Portugal’s judicial police department, is helping US authorities in the investigations of Saturday’s deadly Brown University shooting and Monday’s killing of Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Nuno Loureiro, the agency said in an online release.

The department was contacted yesterday, it said, and is “providing collaboration and support” since the suspect, 48-year-old Portuguese national and former Brown University student Claudio Neves Valente, became a subject of interest to law enforcement.

 
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Site of Brown shooting had only 2 exterior surveillance cameras, affidavit says​

From CNN's Eric Levenson

Brown University’s Barus and Holley building, where Saturday’s shooting took place, is equipped with only two exterior cameras but has multiple entrances and exits, according to the suspect’s criminal affidavit.

In addition, interior cameras do not cover the room where the shooting took place or the surrounding hallways, the affidavit says.

Brown’s system of surveillance cameras has come under scrutiny this past week, including from President Donald Trump, after the shooting suspect was able to flee the scene. The most helpful surveillance videos of the suspect came not from the university but from cameras positioned at nearby homes.

Brown University has an “expansive network of security cameras,” with more than 1,200 cameras around its campus, a university spokesman has said. But the shooting took place at the edge of campus in an older part of the Barus and Holley building that has “fewer, if any” cameras, Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Neronha said Tuesday.

Read more: Here’s a deeper look at Brown’s surveillance camera system, why its cameras failed to capture the attack or suspect, and the concerns about privacy and academic freedom that are the biggest resistance to their growing use.

 
  • #1,845
Makes no sense.

He spends two weeks lurking around Brown, that was his big showpiece. He couldn't have reasonably expected to escape after the attack, but by pure luck he gets away clean and unidentified. But he didn't kill himself at that point. He waits two whole days, pops out to kill NL, almost like it's an afterthought... or a bonus. He gets away clean and unidentified that time as well. No significant connection made between the killings yet. But (it seems) he went back to his unit and killed himself shortly after. As if his work was done.

It makes NL seem both an afterthought and the final task.

Maybe I'm the crazy one expecting rational thought from this guy.

I hope we get much more cctv footage over the coming days.
I wonder if he was lurking around Boston for a while... but just could not get the nerve or the
"perfect" moment to get the MIT professor.

So his second thoughts were to go to Brown...on a Saturday, assuming campus LS and the students around would be lighter....

And then he took a chance back in Brookline.........
Just speculating of course... but I bet we will see more sightings in the greater Boston area and it will shape up more for us.
 
  • #1,846
Some witnesses to the Brown University mass shooting say they heard the killer make a 'barking noise' before he gunned down students taking their final exams in a lecture hall last Saturday.


Claudio Neves Valente, 48, (pictured) a former Brown University student and Portuguese national, was found dead Thursday evening from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Police believe he is responsible for the Brown shooting and murder of MIT professor Nuno F.G. Loureiro


 
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In 2004, Valente reportedly placed third in the National Physics Olympiad, showing early promise in the subject. Then, he went on to represent Portugal at the International Physics Olympiad in Australia in 1995, as per a report.
He was once a very smart and talented young man. (The first date should be 1994, btw.) We’ll eventually know for sure if he failed to graduate in Portugal (at the time he was terminated as a monitor) and something about what he has done since. For him to get into a physics PhD programme at Brown after his course in Portugal, he’d usually have had the BSc or MSc in place.

Edit: @indicolite22 has posted to say he did graduate in Portugal and with excellent marks.
 
  • #1,848
my department gave physics grad students the option of getting a master's degree on the way to their phd. i did an internship working next to two grad students. one of them absolutely took that master's degree. the other did not, and criticized the first guy for doing it. i think the prof criticized it a little too? the idea was that it was a signal that you were not committed and planned to leave the moment you hit a challenge.

i agree with the first guy. advisors have a lot of power over their students, and if you get stuck with a bad one, it sucks, because it is hard to change advisors. at the very least, it looks bad on paper. and the amount of leverage that gives the prof depends a lot on whether you have anything to show for your time with them. so i say take that master's. why not? if you advisor sucks (and this one did), it gives you leverage to protect yourself. i find the second guy's attitude about it toxic and irrational. all the responsibility goes on the person with none of the power? come on.

i should say that the second guy was a captain america type. a very good and moral person, very hard working, good at his job and overachieved at everything. he has since landed tenure at a good university, unsurprisingly. the first guy did finish his phd, but has gone on to become an eternal post-doc. ... but i don't think it follows from all that you don't take the free master's. the fact that there was pressure against it i think shows how messed up some of these circumstances can be.
I think there’s sometimes a stigma among hyper competitive types about this kind of thing in academia. I work in academia with only a masters degree and my colleagues are constantly asking me if/when I plan to get a PhD. I love my work-life balance and feel fulfilled enough that I don’t have a desire to run my own lab or obtain my own funding. It doesn’t bother me because I’m happy with what I do and don’t really desire to make a name for myself in my field.

My father-in-law even asked me if I chose to only get a maters degree or if I was in a PhD program I couldn’t finish, because of “how that might look to other people.” I’m not defending this guy’s heinous crimes and it makes me sick it was a fellow Brown alum. However, I can see how the competitive nature of having an academic career (or a “failed” academic career) can contribute to someone cracking if the right ingredients (e.g., personality disorder, stressful life events, etc.) are there.
 
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Summary of how he was caught.

I did not hear about this particular tip (unless I missed it) which led police to the particular car rental agency.
"Another tip came from someone who reported seeing an individual at a rental car outlet who the tipster believed matched the person seen in footage released by police on Wednesday, a law enforcement official told CNN."


Also, in this article it says the shooter had a return flight booked for Thursday at Logan International Airport. I haven't heard that before, so he didn't intend to kill himself initially. Glad they tracked him down before he got on a flight.
 
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I think there’s sometimes a stigma among hyper competitive types about this kind of thing in academia. I work in academia with only a masters degree and my colleagues are constantly asking me if/when I plan to get a PhD. I love my work-life balance and feel fulfilled enough that I don’t have a desire to run my own lab or obtain my own funding. It doesn’t bother me because I’m happy with what I do and don’t really desire to make a name for myself in my field.

My father-in-law even asked me if I chose to only get a maters degree or if I was in a PhD program I couldn’t finish, because of “how that might look to other people.” I’m not defending this guy’s heinous crimes and it makes me sick it was a fellow Brown alum. However, I can see how the competitive nature of having an academic career (or a “failed” academic career) can contribute to someone cracking if the right ingredients (e.g., personality disorder, stressful life events, etc.) are there.
It might be based on some research he thought he should have done- a "stolen" idea, a rejected paper- just speculating, but it might require really "getting into the weeds" to find what was bothering the shooter and does he have any support system? If he is kind of a loner he could easily get lost in his own head IMO. Usually people aggrieved for so long would leave a letter or a manifesto but LE has not said that anything was found.
 
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Perhaps NL was CV's competition for the researcher job at IST. TA was only a temporary position. But to wait 25 years for "revenge" is weird.
 
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2 min ago

Two 9 mm Glocks, a bulletproof vest and a jacket recovered at Salem storage facility, source says​

From CNN's John Miller

Several pieces of evidence were found in two storage units that Brown University shooting suspect Claudio Neves Valente rented at the Salem, New Hampshire, storage facility where he was found dead, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said.

Pursuant to a search warrant, investigators recovered two 9 mm Glocks, one with a green laser device, as well as high capacity magazines and a bulletproof vest, the official said. They also found the jacket that was seen in videos and photos released by police earlier this week, according to the official.

Investigators believe, based on events, that Neves Valente was alive and moving up until some time on Thursday, the official added.

 
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What we know about the suspect’s immigration status and history​

From CNN’s Holly Yan and Xiaoqian Lin

The suspect in the Brown University mass shooting who’s also accused of killing an MIT professor was a former student at Brown and a Portuguese national.

Claudio Neves Valente, 48, studied at Brown around 2000-2001 on an F1 visa, according to federal prosecutor Leah Foley. An F1 is a non-immigrant visa for international students to study full-time.

He also entered the US through a diversity lottery immigrant visa program in 2017 and was granted a green card, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem posted on X Thursday night.

Details about Neves Valente’s whereabouts between 2001 and 2017 weren’t immediately available.

After Neves Valente was identified as the suspect in both shootings, Noem ordered the US Citizenship and Immigration Services to pause the diversity lottery immigrant visa program.

Under the program, up to 55,000 immigrants can enter the US each year from countries with low rates of immigration to the US, the State Department’s website says.

Neves Valente did not appear to have any prior criminal record in the US, Foley said. His body was found at a New Hampshire storage facility Thursday night after he took his own life, authorities said.

 
  • #1,855
I thought the professor died first tbh. If Nuno Loureiro was his primary target, it doesn't make sense to me that he would shoot up Brown first. In almost all cases, especially high profile ones. They're killed/caught/commit suicide on scene or pretty soon after, often it's over in minutes. It's pretty rare for a school shooter to get clean away (though it's happened a few times this year). He would have to be fully delusional to plan this expecting to escape and evade capture for days.

I would have thought, if the most important thing to him was to kill Nuno Loureiro. He'd have made sure to do that first, then gone to Brown for his (it seems) far more indiscriminate attack.
He may have wanted to get to Brown before students left for the winter break and so when he landed in Boston he rented a car and went directly to Brown. He also appears to have needed a few days or a week or so to walk around and get the lay of the land, again, after having been gone for so many years.

It is incredibly tragic and hard to deal with that he ended his life only after ending the lives of others who played no role in his life, other than as a reminder of his failed ambitions.
 
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I think there’s sometimes a stigma among hyper competitive types about this kind of thing in academia. I work in academia with only a masters degree and my colleagues are constantly asking me if/when I plan to get a PhD. I love my work-life balance and feel fulfilled enough that I don’t have a desire to run my own lab or obtain my own funding. It doesn’t bother me because I’m happy with what I do and don’t really desire to make a name for myself in my field.

My father-in-law even asked me if I chose to only get a maters degree or if I was in a PhD program I couldn’t finish, because of “how that might look to other people.” I’m not defending this guy’s heinous crimes and it makes me sick it was a fellow Brown alum. However, I can see how the competitive nature of having an academic career (or a “failed” academic career) can contribute to someone cracking if the right ingredients (e.g., personality disorder, stressful life events, etc.) are there.
wow, that's truly sad to hear. Thank you for sharing your personal experience. I wonder how much mental health stress is caused by outside influence on people and them feeling they have to "live up to" something or "do more"?

There is room in the world for people with all education levels and none are more important than another. Value and worth should not come from position or title or accomplishments alone. Yes, they are important sometimes as it seems the MIT professor was incredibly smart and working on things that could change the world, and the world needs people like that. The world also needs EMTs who rush to your house and perform CPR and save your life and bus drivers to bring our children to school and barbers to cut hair, etc. It doesn't work without ALL of us.

If this man truly did all this because of some perceived lack of accomplishment on his part or feeling resentment due to someone else doing better (or maybe not even better, just successful in a different way) than him. SAD
 
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Can we infer from that that Valente left the USA at some point after dropping out of Brown, probably went back to Portugal, and has only been back in the USA since 2017?

Could be applying to other programs in the EU.
 
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Brown president at presser said he took a leave of absence and never returned. Seems he couldn't hack it for whatever reason. Knowing how hard it is to get into Brown, let alone the Ph.D. program, it's really odd he left. Who was Claudio Neves Valente? Here's what we know so far.
Grad school can really be a shock to the system. Personally, I had a lot of structure through high school and undergrad, and then when I started my master's and suddenly had to do a lot more self-directed work, I floundered. Turned out I had undiagnosed ADHD, and things got a lot better for me once I was properly diagnosed and medicated, but I wonder if CV experienced something similar but without the improvement?

I'm now a PhD student (although not in the US), and IME your supervisor(s) can really make or break your experience. If CV clashed with his supervisor and couldn't switch to being supervised by somebody else, that could also have prompted him to leave, especially if he was the type who took any disagreement as a personal insult, which I'm guessing he probably was.
 
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2 min ago

Two 9 mm Glocks, a bulletproof vest and a jacket recovered at Salem storage facility, source says​

From CNN's John Miller

Several pieces of evidence were found in two storage units that Brown University shooting suspect Claudio Neves Valente rented at the Salem, New Hampshire, storage facility where he was found dead, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said.

Pursuant to a search warrant, investigators recovered two 9 mm Glocks, one with a green laser device, as well as high capacity magazines and a bulletproof vest, the official said. They also found the jacket that was seen in videos and photos released by police earlier this week, according to the official.

Investigators believe, based on events, that Neves Valente was alive and moving up until some time on Thursday, the official added.

Wow that’s wild. The professor was murdered on Monday night, and previous reporting said the killer entered the storage unit shortly after.

So him still being alive a few days later while holed up in a tiny storage unit is super weird.
 
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The talented professor in Boston who was killed was from Portugal too. This change in policy seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

jmopinion
I doubt Professor Loureiro needed to apply to the green card lottery. He would have come to the U.S. on a student visa if he got his Ph.D. here. But if not, he would have likely come on to the U.S. with an H-1 visa as a post-doc or already as a faculty member. He would have had options and not needed to apply through a lottery. Many of our post-docs in higher education come to the U.S. on H-1 visas with the universities as their sponsors.
 

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