RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

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Site of Brown shooting had only 2 exterior surveillance cameras, affidavit says​

From CNN's Eric Levenson

Brown University’s Barus and Holley building, where Saturday’s shooting took place, is equipped with only two exterior cameras but has multiple entrances and exits, according to the suspect’s criminal affidavit.

In addition, interior cameras do not cover the room where the shooting took place or the surrounding hallways, the affidavit says.

Brown’s system of surveillance cameras has come under scrutiny this past week, including from President Donald Trump, after the shooting suspect was able to flee the scene. The most helpful surveillance videos of the suspect came not from the university but from cameras positioned at nearby homes.

Brown University has an “expansive network of security cameras,” with more than 1,200 cameras around its campus, a university spokesman has said. But the shooting took place at the edge of campus in an older part of the Barus and Holley building that has “fewer, if any” cameras, Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Neronha said Tuesday.

Read more: Here’s a deeper look at Brown’s surveillance camera system, why its cameras failed to capture the attack or suspect, and the concerns about privacy and academic freedom that are the biggest resistance to their growing use.


All things considered, he really was around Providence for a long time, probably canvassing continuously. E.g, WHY was he walking all those neighborhood streets around the Historical Society? Maybe embracing lots of old memories, while conniving. who knows.

With all his time to canvas, he most likely knew the shortage of cameras in his targeted building, and shortage of students... The fact that he started firing before even entering the room... just seems like real clumsy adrenalin rush as if he really didn't know what he was doing...
 
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seems likely he was back in portugal from 2003-2017. may have stayed with his parents, at least initially, and probably worked at something he found unfulfilling. maybe teaching? maybe engineering? don't think it was anything involving manual labor.

but i can find zero information on his family or any work during that stretch.
 
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Also, in this article it says the shooter had a return flight booked for Thursday at Logan International Airport. I haven't heard that before, so he didn't intend to kill himself initially. Glad they tracked him down before he got on a flight.
another interesting Q: how did he get his fire arms? Were they on the plane with him on the way to Boston? One would think "no." I imagine if he was listening to the radio in his rental car, he would have thought going to an airport, through security, etc., he would have been apprehended. IMO
 
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Wow that’s wild. The professor was murdered on Monday night, and previous reporting said the killer entered the storage unit shortly after.

So him still being alive a few days later while holed up in a tiny storage unit is super weird.

Do we, yet, have the date he rented the storage unit?
 
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Here's info about the Green Card Lottery: Find out if you are eligible for the Diversity Visa (DV) Lottery and how to register | USAGov
Almost all countries in the world seems to be able to participate, from all continents. I'm not sure that the true reason to pause the lottery is just this case, there might have been plans to do that earlier.
When I was in graduate school, upon graduation many students I knew applied to the green card lottery as they had no other way to get permanent residency in the U.S. The students who applied that I knew personally were from Canada, the UK, Ghana, and several other African countries. It was a very popular option for people who would not likely ever be eligible for permanent residency through family or employer, but it was a long shot for all of them.
 
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I doubt Professor Loureiro needed to apply to the green card lottery. He would have come to the U.S. on a student visa if he got his Ph.D. here. But if not, he would have likely come on to the U.S. with an H-1 visa as a post-doc or already as a faculty member. He would have had options and not needed to apply through a lottery. Many of our post-docs in higher education come to the U.S. on H-1 visas with the universities as their sponsors.
According to Loureiro's CV, his Ph.D. is from UK:

He majored in Physics at Instituto Superior Técnico in Lisbon (Portugal) in 2000 and obtained a Ph.D. in Physics at Imperial College London (UK) in 2005. He did post-doctoral work at the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory between 2005-07, and at the UKAEA Culham Centre for Fusion Energy between 2007-09. Prior to joining MIT in 2016 Loureiro was a researcher at the Institute for Plasmas and Nuclear Fusion at IST Lisbon.

So the victim moved to the US in 2016 and the suspect in 2017.
 
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When Claudio Neves Valente came to study at Brown University in 2000 he didn't come over on a Green Card Lottery ticket, as he got the Green Card in 2017, and that granted him the right to live and work permanently in the United States. I would guess that both Neves Valente and Nuno F Gomes Loureiro came to the US for studying in the early 2000s with the same kind of student visa.
But if CV withdrew from Brown University in 2003, he would have been out-of-status in relation to his student visa. So what was his immigration status until he was approved for permanent residency (Green Card) in 2017?

Universities report student withdrawals, no-shows, etc. to federal immigration offices. Each university has an employee who is designated to track international students and ensure they are in compliance with the terms of their student visas.
 
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Wow that’s wild. The professor was murdered on Monday night, and previous reporting said the killer entered the storage unit shortly after.

So him still being alive a few days later while holed up in a tiny storage unit is super weird.
And unless this was a really quiet storage place, he was risking being seen there by other customers or storage site employees, whether ID'd as the suspect or just loitering, attention he certainly wouldn't have wanted.
 
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I still can't believe they didn't pay out on a technicality for Luigi when was so unbelievably high profile.

The kind of people who tend to have information on criminals are often not exactly the sort who have high trust in authorities to begin with.

Who is going to risk turning in (often dangerous/ related/ connected) suspects or coming forward with information when some buIIshiit fine-print lets them stiff you out the payout?

Even if they didn't have to, paying that McDonald's worked a 100k or whatever it was is peanuts. When compared to how much damage they did to the public trust, (and therefore effectiveness) of cash rewards when they bilked her on such a petty technicality.
Plus the obvious issue that you don’t want the McDonald’s employee in that situation to have instead called the tip line, so authorities could learn well after the fact that he was maybe spotted at a McDonald’s! 911 was the right thing to do when you have a dangerous murderer on the run in your establishment. Seems foolish to deter that.

Edit: I don’t know if it has been officially determined yet whether they will get the reward money, because public speculation started immediately that they wouldn’t be eligible, and I haven’t followed enough to see if that speculation has been proven correct.
 
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another interesting Q: how did he get his fire arms? Were they on the plane with him on the way to Boston? One would think "no." I imagine if he was listening to the radio in his rental car, he would have thought going to an airport, through security, etc., he would have been apprehended. IMO
I think I recall reading that he traveled from Florida to another New England airport - not Boston's Logan Airport - possibly Hartford. It is possible to legally travel with firearms in one's checked baggage. The cased firearm(s) are inspected beforehand by TSA, the case is locked, and the case goes in checked baggage only. The case has to be a lockable hard case resistant to tampering, meeting TSA criteria. Unless a passenger is part of a special LE detail, the firearms never go on carry on baggage.. If someone tries to take them on in a carry on, they are subject to arrest and a substantial fine or imprisonment.

He probably traveled with his firearms in checked baggage. As a permanent resident of the US, I think he could buy firearms legally.
 
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wow, that's truly sad to hear. Thank you for sharing your personal experience. I wonder how much mental health stress is caused by outside influence on people and them feeling they have to "live up to" something or "do more"?

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there's an obligatory masochism bred by the competitiveness of the environment, pride, romantic dreams of being the next einstein, and a lot of the sunk cost fallacy. it comes from fellow students, advisors, and within people themselves. "what's the matter, aren't you tough enough to keep punching yourself in the crotch?"
 
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Good article that gives some more detail about how John - the homeless hero - encountered the shooter. Also, the information that John lived in the basement of the engineering building at the time.

Sources told Fox News that John had been living in the basement of the engineering building at the time.
 
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wow, that's truly sad to hear. Thank you for sharing your personal experience. I wonder how much mental health stress is caused by outside influence on people and them feeling they have to "live up to" something or "do more"?

There is room in the world for people with all education levels and none are more important than another. Value and worth should not come from position or title or accomplishments alone. Yes, they are important sometimes as it seems the MIT professor was incredibly smart and working on things that could change the world, and the world needs people like that. The world also needs EMTs who rush to your house and perform CPR and save your life and bus drivers to bring our children to school and barbers to cut hair, etc. It doesn't work without ALL of us.

If this man truly did all this because of some perceived lack of accomplishment on his part or feeling resentment due to someone else doing better (or maybe not even better, just successful in a different way) than him. SAD

As an immigrant: a lot of mental health stress is due to high parental opinion of their child. And many of us who move here to achieve and sometimes, achieve fast, may get stalled by the reasons unrelated to us. But ironically, many have that childhood, when parents were telling us, “you are the best”. It starts as the plus. But some may break when bad things happen and achievement doesn’t immediately follow.

But this is when a totally different quality is necessary, and it is resilience. I remember coming here and thinking, I have generations of achievers behind my back. And then one year, things were not great physically, but I reminded myself that some of my relatives survived GULAG, so surely I’d survive driving 64 miles to my job, one way, every day! And back, too!

Interestingly, when I visited my relatives one year before COVID, and I haven’t seen them for years, I found out that they were doing the same, mentally asking the same long-gone relatives, “What would you do in my shoes?” when things were not good. “Mobilizing resilience” is important.

So I think you expect the US being the place where one can achieve, but all immigrants who come to achieve need to have the ability to mentally survive when things don’t get easy. And things like: envy, counting your neighbors’ salaries, or living according to the principle “I have done something to him, he owes me back”, don’t help at all! Resilience is something very different. And, if you are not too social, for example, you can still “gain points” by being kind and compassionate.

I mean, Claudio got so angry because he didn’t have survivor’s qualities but “survivor’s qualities” require doing something totally opposite to shooting at innocent people who are not even armed.

In short: egotism and altruism are both equally necessary for survival, but one without the other is a minus.

JMO as an immigrant. And of course, you have to be prepared to be interested in other cultures.

Sorry for a long-winded post, I am wondering where and how he got so lost.
 
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another interesting Q: how did he get his fire arms? Were they on the plane with him on the way to Boston? One would think "no." I imagine if he was listening to the radio in his rental car, he would have thought going to an airport, through security, etc., he would have been apprehended. IMO
Yes you can absolutely check firearms in your luggage
 
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Grad school can really be a shock to the system. Personally, I had a lot of structure through high school and undergrad, and then when I started my master's and suddenly had to do a lot more self-directed work, I floundered. Turned out I had undiagnosed ADHD, and things got a lot better for me once I was properly diagnosed and medicated, but I wonder if CV experienced something similar but without the improvement?

I'm now a PhD student (although not in the US), and IME your supervisor(s) can really make or break your experience. If CV clashed with his supervisor and couldn't switch to being supervised by somebody else, that could also have prompted him to leave, especially if he was the type who took any disagreement as a personal insult, which I'm guessing he probably was.

Honestly, I think he struggled from something totally different than ADHD. Trust me.
 
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Honestly, I think he struggled from something totally different than ADHD. Trust me.
Oh I'm not saying I thought he had ADHD, just that he might have struggled academically at Brown in a way he hadn't experienced before
 
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people have pointed out that he's unlikely to have crossed paths with an econ professor in terms of study and work. but i'm wondering now if he dated her back then and she dumped him. or he wanted to and she rejected him. and in either case, he never got over it. edit: if her econ classes were in the physics building back then too, he might have met her that way.

though if she was a target, it's still a little odd that he didn't know it was just going to be a TA teaching, and when she wasn't there he just started shooting anyone. that feels more like wanting to kill his old peers, rather than aimed at the professor.

hard to say
It was noted upthread that when CV was a doctoral student at Brown, his classes were in the Engineering building where he carried out his shooting.
 
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Yes you can absolutely check firearms in your luggage
We also know he was in NH at some point. NH has lax gun laws. It’s very easy to go online to a number of forums and purchase a gun through a private sale. You can make contact anonymously online, meet them in a parking lot and pay cash for a gun without exchanging any information.
 
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Very interesting. So I wonder if he did return to Portugal after dropping out of Brown, and it took him at least 15 years to get back to the US.
I hope that the media in Portugal are digging into this to see what CV was doing during the years he left the U.S. and returned in 2017. And I am sure our federal agents are looking into it as well, likely a joint effort with Portuguese authorities.
 

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