Rita Tangredi, 31, and Colleen McNamee, 20, 1993-94 ** John Bittrolff ARRESTED **

[marie-chantal]

Aha! Found a "website" for Vision Ministries and Phyllis LiBrizzi. Doesn't look like it's connected to JB or PA.
http://www.rjdwebdesign.com/visionministries/index.html

Resisting the urge to gag when reading that site!!

I wonder if this Phyllis person just happened to live in a place where JB used to live at one time? If I google an address where I lived 10 years ago, the name of a surf business pops up. It most definitely isn't my business. I think it's associated with the guy who bought the house. I wonder if this is the same thing in this situation. This probably happens quite a bit.

 

[Puggle]

In this report it makes the collection of the DNA evidence sound really messy - I sure hope they have it right. http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...n-manorville-carpenter-for-killings-1.8877226

 

[LikeAHunter]

Okay, I think I figured out the connection with Vision Ministries. This is an educated guess, and nothing more.

First, I have solid reason to believe that the Bittrolffs and the Librizzis are either related, or are friends. (Suffice it to say that the connection is easy to find on social media.)

Second, we know that PA knows about filing for corporate status as she was listed on the Coastal Construction filing.

Third, anyone can file the business; it need not be someone who is a principal or member of the company.

Therefore, my educated guess is that PA helped PL file her business, and THAT is how PA/JB's phone number got linked to Vision Ministries.

 

[threelittlebirdies]

One thing I'm really curious about is why everything seems to be in his wife's name. She's listed as the only principal in the business, and someone else mentioned that tax records show she added him to the mortgage in 03. She is also the name that comes up when you google the phone number.

Makes me wonder if he expected to get caught at some point, and therefore didn't want anything in his name that could then be taken away from his family...or something else entirely... It just seems odd to me!

Maybe he has bad credit and filed bankruptcy. Also, if he was self employed and not reporting all his income to the government to avoid paying taxes on the money, he would have no verifiable income to obtain credit such as a mortgage etc.

 

[Puggle]

Just looking up info about this new DNA technique...and came across this recent (Jan 2014) FBI Audit of the DNA database. The story includes mistakes identified mistakes in DNA profiles in New York’s database. It listed 166 mistakes of DNA matching. Alice R. Isenberg, the chief of the biometric analysis section of the F.B.I. Laboratory went on to say some mistakes are possible when cases might involve DNA from different people with remarkably similar genetic makeup.... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/n...ndexes-dna-finds-errors-in-profiles.html?_r=0

 

[ktgirl]

LE seems pretty sure this guy isn't responsible for the Gilgo murders. Do you all think that's solely because the ways the bodies were dumped were so different from the murders of Rita and Colleen? Or do you think it's possible LE was able to collect the GB4 killer's DNA from the bodies/evidence of GB4 and it's definitely not Bittrolff's DNA?

 

[threelittlebirdies]

When did he stop living at the Moriches address?

Interesting Vision Ministries has a staff of two reported:


Vision Ministries Open Arms In

A privately held company in Moriches, NY.


More Details for Vision Ministries Open Arms In

Categorized under Churches. Our records show it was established in 2007 and incorporated in New York. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 100000 and employs a staff of approximately 2.

http://www.manta.com/c/mmy9zzd/vision-ministries-open-arms-in

Same information is verified in this link. Interesting picture of a garage and a dumpster by a woods in picture on site. Does this place really exist or is it a front company?

https://credibility.com/religious-organizations/us-ny-moriches/vision-ministries-open-arms-in

http://companies.findthebest.com/l/16487871/Vision-Ministries-Open-Arms-In-in-Moriches-NY

When I do a reverse on the address the street view show a picture of the garage the previous link showed.

 

[Theforeigner]

Having business experience, myself, I did a little digging on the corporations:

Coastal Construction, Inc. was dissolved in 2006.
http://appext20.dos.ny.gov/corp_pub...=%&p_search_type=BEGINS&p_srch_results_page=0

My 2 Boyz Contracting, Inc has been active since 2005.
http://appext20.dos.ny.gov/corp_pub...=A&p_search_type=BEGINS&p_srch_results_page=0

Vision Ministries Open Arms Inc has been active since 2006.
http://appext20.dos.ny.gov/corp_pub...&p_search_type=CONTAINS&p_srch_results_page=2

NOTE: There is nothing here that links JB and/or PA to Vision Ministries. However, there also isn't anything here that proves they aren't linked.

Phyllis Lxxxxzzx (Vision Ministries Open Arms Inc) has a FB relative Dominick Lxxxxzzx and he is FB friend with John Bittrolff's brother Kevin.

SO...there you have a connection.

 

[threelittlebirdies]

LE seems pretty sure this guy isn't responsible for the Gilgo murders. Do you all think that's solely because the ways the bodies were dumped were so different from the murders of Rita and Colleen? Or do you think it's possible LE was able to collect the GB4 killer's DNA from the bodies/evidence of GB4 and it's definitely not Bittrolff's DNA?

I am glad they are so sure because I am not. Maybe they are keeping it close to their vest right now.

 

[Theforeigner]

Phyllis Lxxxxzzx (Vision Ministries Open Arms Inc) has a FB relative Dominick Lxxxxzzx and he is FB friend with John Bittrolff's brother Kevin.

SO...there you have a connection.

There is also another Phyllis Lxxxxzzx relative; Michael Lxxxxzzx who is FB friends with TWO additional Bittrolff relatives.

So, IMO there is NO doubt that there is a connection between Phyllis Lxxxxzzx (Vision Ministries Open Arms Inc) and suspected killer John Bittrolff.

 

[giagreen]

LE seems pretty sure this guy isn't responsible for the Gilgo murders. Do you all think that's solely because the ways the bodies were dumped were so different from the murders of Rita and Colleen? Or do you think it's possible LE was able to collect the GB4 killer's DNA from the bodies/evidence of GB4 and it's definitely not Bittrolff's DNA?

I've been asking myself this question all day. I don't know what to think. It could be anything.

 

[Puggle]

sorry this is a bit "out there"...but something of a possible odd coincidence has been bothering me. "The Foreigner" you may be able to help as you are good with address info....Do you know if I would be right in saying that Kim Raffo grew up (childhood) living not less than one mile from where JB has a listed address on shore drive in Mastic....it's weirding me out...it means his younger brothers probably went to school with kim???

 

[LISleuth]

Interesting Vision Ministries has a staff of two reported:


Vision Ministries Open Arms In

A privately held company in Moriches, NY.


More Details for Vision Ministries Open Arms In

Categorized under Churches. Our records show it was established in 2007 and incorporated in New York. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 100000 and employs a staff of approximately 2.

http://www.manta.com/c/mmy9zzd/vision-ministries-open-arms-in

Same information is verified in this link. Interesting picture of a garage and a dumpster by a woods in picture on site. Does this place really exist or is it a front company?

https://credibility.com/religious-organizations/us-ny-moriches/vision-ministries-open-arms-in

http://companies.findthebest.com/l/16487871/Vision-Ministries-Open-Arms-In-in-Moriches-NY

When I do a reverse on the address the street view show a picture of the garage the previous link showed.

:thinking:

These sites that provide an outlet to park your organization or businesses info on the www do not always have the most current or most accurate info about the organization or biz. Most times when you scrutinize the site, you will find instructions to the org/biz owner to make any corrections or additions if they are the "owner".

As for this picture of a dumpster & garages, those are in the parking lot of the business complex. You must rotate the picture supplied by Google earth to view the building associated with the address. To test for accuracy, I used the "credibility.com" site to search for religious oranizations/churches I know of on LI & the pictures provided didn't always point to the actual named entity. In one instance, I searched for a well known church up the block from me & the picture supplied pointed to a shopping center. Knowing the shopping center, I played with the Google earth by rotating it & found the church I searched for. If someone not from this area or unfamiliar with the church did the search would see the shopping center & assume the address wasn't affiliated with the named church. Again, I had to rotate the picture to see if I could find what I know to be associated with the name. If one doesn't know what they're looking for one might assume the address is the "dumpsters".

 

[LISleuth]

There is also another Phyllis Lxxxxzzx relative; Michael Lxxxxzzx who is FB friends with TWO additional Bittrolff relatives.

So, IMO there is NO doubt that there is a connection between Phyllis Lxxxxzzx (Vision Ministries Open Arms Inc) and suspected killer John Bittrolff.

Earlier I had looked at JB's FB, perused the friend list & their friend lists & noticed friends in common but can no longer view his FB as it has been removed. I agree with Foreigner that there is a strong possibility there is some relation with PL.

 

[LISleuth]

LE seems pretty sure this guy isn't responsible for the Gilgo murders. Do you all think that's solely because the ways the bodies were dumped were so different from the murders of Rita and Colleen? Or do you think it's possible LE was able to collect the GB4 killer's DNA from the bodies/evidence of GB4 and it's definitely not Bittrolff's DNA?

"LE was able to collect the GB4 killer's DNA from the bodies/evidence of GB4 and it's definitely not Bittrolff's DNA?"


I would venture to say that is a strong possibility & the reason they can be so positive. I don't believe LE ever shared the fact that they had found unknown DNA on, near or in the 2 young ladies. Now they are reporting that is the case. With those found on OP LE may have unknown DNA won't publicize whether or not they have any.

 

[Theforeigner]

sorry this is a bit "out there"...but something of a possible odd coincidence has been bothering me. "The Foreigner" you may be able to help as you are good with address info....Do you know if I would be right in saying that Kim Raffo grew up (childhood) living not less than one mile from where JB has a listed address on shore drive in Mastic....it's weirding me out...it means his younger brothers probably went to school with kim???

As a child, Atlantic City murder victim (AC4), Kim Raffo used to live at Woodcut drive in Mastic Beach (Long Island), she moved to Brooklyn at some point, but I don't know what year, according to her x-husband she and he met and became a pair in Brooklyn NY when she was 14 (he was 21!!!).

Kim Raffo was Born Feb 1971, I belive JBs brother Timothy was born ca. 2 years prior 1969, så 2 years apart.

So IF TB lived in Mastic Beach as a child yes he and Kim Raffo might well have gone to school together.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

There is also another Phyllis Lxxxxzzx relative; Michael Lxxxxzzx who is FB friends with TWO additional Bittrolff relatives.

So, IMO there is NO doubt that there is a connection between Phyllis Lxxxxzzx (Vision Ministries Open Arms Inc) and suspected killer John Bittrolff.

Check and check, Foreigner. My research points in the same direction. Have you been able to make a connection from PL's fb friend JT to Rita? I looked some yesterday, but just couldn't get my head in the game. I'll see what I can dig up this morning while having my coffee, but if you've already found something, feel free to save me the search.

 

[topratedsleuth]

With those found on OP LE may have unknown DNA won't publicize whether or not they have any.

You'd think, though, that if LE had GB4 DNA that they wouldn't one minute claim there's more than one killer for the 10 beach bodies and then the next minute change their mind to just one killer. I mean, assuming they can always find some sort of DNA evidence on any body. I'm not sure what LE is up to when they tell us that GB4 is significantly different; perhaps it is (doesn't mean a SK can't change his methods), perhaps there's DNA that doesn't match JB....or maybe it's a ruse put out there in the hopes that someone (JB, even, in interrogation) makes some kind of mistake.

 

[Theforeigner]

Check and check, Foreigner. My research points in the same direction. Have you been able to make a connection from PL's fb friend JT to Rita? I looked some yesterday, but just couldn't get my head in the game. I'll see what I can dig up this morning while having my coffee, but if you've already found something, feel free to save me the search.

Nope, not so far, If I find any connection I´ll let you know.

 

[LikeAHunter]

I agree about DNA and the GB4. I'm also starting to think that LE recovered DNA from at least one of the GB4. That would explain how Joe Brewer--THE JOHN!--was ruled out so easily.

I also wouldn't be surprised if DNA was found on the AC4, as well. Seems LE may hold DNA cards close to their chests.