Robyn Adams, Benhaida, and Derkovic -The Jail Calls INCLUDED #2

[babycat]

babycat;

The phone calls are not important unless one side or other brings them to trial. The only relevant thing so far is KC said "blanket" before mentioned, WE think. Not happening. But listen to the calls, you will see, not going to trial. Nothing important. Just inmates chatting with family as they normally would. Not being introduced as evidence as there is none, but if you have never been exposed, something to listen to and think about.

But I would wager that there is a lot of unimportant information, or information that we won't see at trial (like the video of when Casey was told about the remains being found) that is STILL the subject of much scrutiny here at Websleuths. And we haven't even SEEN that video. (Handwriting analysis, hell, even astrology charts. We discuss all kinds of things here.)

We sleuth pretty much everything here. I still don't see how this is different.

 

[darnudes]

One thing very striking in these tapes is how much love they have for their children. That, and all their children are still alive.

 

[pip]

So flag his posts if you find them out of TOS or offensive. TOS is to bash the post, not the poster (even if you want to sometimes)But the content of the phonecalls cannot be altered by whatever you believe his agenda to be. So that is a moot point. There are 2 separate issues going on here. KWIM?

 

[21merc7]

I am all confused. Why are these calls even important in this case?

They are not.

A report done with an investigator may have said that KC said body was found with blanket and trashbags, before KC should have known. No one knows at this point if that is true or not.

Keep shining!

 

[21merc7]

So flag his posts if you find them out of TOS or offensive. TOS is to bash the post, not the poster (even if you want to sometimes)But the content of the phonecalls cannot be altered by whatever you believe his agenda to be. So that is a moot point. There are 2 separate issues going on here. KWIM?

Whom are you speaking of?

 

[Marigold]

I just want to know one thing, it's a question that's in the back of my mind:

If RHornsby is writing a book and it gets made into a film, do I get to choose which actress portrays me in the movie?

 

[magic-cat]

So flag his posts if you find them out of TOS or offensive. TOS is to bash the post, not the poster (even if you want to sometimes)But the content of the phonecalls cannot be altered by whatever you believe his agenda to be. So that is a moot point. There are 2 separate issues going on here. KWIM?

I have in no way attacked Mr Hornsby once through all of this. I have attacked those posts which were:
A) Off topic (when the OP CHOSE the topic) and wildly accusational
B) Insinuating wrongdoing by LE with NO explanation of how this conlusion was come by
C) In NO WAY related to the subject at hand ie: KC is covering up an accidental death (I don't believe for one second these phone calls show that) showing an undertone of an agenda...

I have remained curteous and calm, and have asked along with others that something be offered as a foundation for these remarks...

I am not worried about the phone calls in the least. Unless it is one that KC was speaking on...

 

[beach]

I have what might be a solution. If people take exception to listening through the calls that Hornsby posted, then maybe they can, instead, listen to the calls that will surely be posted by other media later :angel:

Let's face it, we'd be listening to these calls either way.

The CALLS, in and of themselves, are not biased. They are what they are. They are are the same calls that the prosecution will hear, and hopefully listen to. Same calls that any jury might hear one day, though I doubt it. Same calls that the defense will hear, and use, etc etc.

I don't see how it matters WHO posted the calls. I understand how it can make some people feel "icky" or whatever, but I just don't see the logic in how these calls are any different than anything else that has been released, just because Hornsby brought them to us.

If any other outlet had posted these calls, I guarantee websleuthers would be all over them, dissecting them like we do with EVERYTHING that has been released- from Casey's letters, to the jail visitation videos, to the cameras that used to be on the Anthony home, to Casey's texts, to the backgrounds of people who have probably meant no harm.

I just don't see why this is any more suspect that anything else that has been released.

ANYONE is free to read this forum. The defense, the prosecution, Casey, her mom, her grandma, her grandma's bff. If we think this is "helping" Hornsby "help" the defense somehow, then we might as well take down ANY theory that any of us have posted here, the polls that might sum up nicely for the defense to get a read on how a large group of people feel, the thread about what evidence is strongest, (etc ad nauseam) because quite frankly, it's a great resource for the defense, too, whether we like it or not.

So if this little thing is somehow helping the defense, imagine how much we've "helped" already with any information we've discussed, dissected.

Whether or not you use the information Hornsby has given us to actually sleuth what HE is looking for is in your own control. However, I really think it's moot.

But that's just my two cents, since we all seem to be chipping in.

ther_beatingA_Dead: :banghead:

 

[21merc7]

But I would wager that there is a lot of unimportant information, or information that we won't see at trial (like the video of when Casey was told about the remains being found) that is STILL the subject of much scrutiny here at Websleuths. And we haven't even SEEN that video. (Handwriting analysis, hell, even astrology charts. We discuss all kinds of things here.)

We sleuth pretty much everything here. I still don't see how this is different.

I cannot explain it all on a website. What happens in a trial is what each side chooses will work and the Judge allows. If a jury trial, oh, heck, it is complicated. 2 sides, 1 accuses, 1 defends. If a jury trial, then 3 sides. Jury listens and makes decisions. A drama unfolds for the jurors from State and Defense, yep, that is what it is. Jurors decide what is the truth. Judge can over rule Jurors decision if too harsh, but not under rule if too minimal. Court is worse than drama on a theater stage.

 

[pip]

Whom are you speaking of?

Anyone, I spose

 

[whiteangora]

I wish we here at Websleuths had the same right of "telling it like it is" as bluntly as you seem to be allowed to but we don't and I like it here so I'll just say that I will not be playing your game or helping you do your job. Here is why-

I am a convicted felon, Mr Hornsby, several times over.. my record dates back to the age of 15. Not a pretty picture, I realize this but it is what it is. One of the things I have experience with is criminal court, judges and lawyers and I have never come across a defense attorney who so vocally (much less publicly) judges and attempts to shame the very people they rely on to make them money. The people you trash when you come on here may not be your clients, so to you it's OK.. but in the heart of a person charged with a crime wanting to find an attorney they can trust and depend on reading the way you trash these people here, it is just like trashing any future client thinking about hiring you. I think you have lost yourself in your quest for fame and one upmanship. You have put everyone involved with this case down, EXCEPT for the suspect, her family and her lawyer. I do not believe your interest in this case is about truth and justice but about getting your name in lights and because, as an ex-con, I have felt nothing but insulted by you as a "defense" attorney since you began visiting here I will not be helping you accomplish that.

I take anti-psychotics but I'm not delusional.. I know my little boycott is meaningless, plenty of others will be happy to help you so I know one day we shall see your name in lights. Until then- :wave:

Thank you, thank you, thank you OLG.
There are many more who feel exactly the same way.

 

[babycat]

I cannot explain it all on a website. What happens in a trial is what each side chooses will work and the Judge allows. If a jury trial, oh, heck, it is complicated. 2 sides, 1 accuses, 1 defends. If a jury trial, then 3 sides. Jury listens and makes decisions. A drama unfolds for the jurors from State and Defense, yep, that is what it is. Jurors decide what is the truth. Judge can over rule Jurors decision if too harsh, but not under rule if too minimal. Court is worse than drama on a theater stage.

I'm well aware of what happens in a court. I know how it works.

That has nothing to do with the point of my post, which, quite simply, is this:

There are many different threads on this forum which discuss information that will never see the courtroom. Astrology, body language, our own opinions, polls, handwriting, even surveillance video of the A's home. I don't agree with the "backwards voice analysis" thread, so I leave it to posters who DO think it is relevant.

Whether or not the calls are relevant to the case is moot. It will still be discussed by members who DO want to discuss it, whether people like it or not.

That's why we have threads on certain topics. Not to only discuss information which will be seen in court.

HTH.

 

[ZsaZsa]

What people? I know of very few that want her off scott free. It's about digging up the facts, not the dirt. Wanting to know the truth (even if it isn't pro-prosecution) does not make one pro-defense, nor pro-Hornsby, nor pro-Schaefer, nor pro-anyone for that matter. Just pro-truth.
JMO

Here is what RH said this morning in post #9 of this thread.

'When people like Yuri Melich fall over themselves trying to create incriminating evidence in a case that doesn't need it, those people undermine the very foundation of the US Criminal Justice System'.

How is he doing anything other than libeling YM? He has made several similar statements about him leading Robin in her interview etc. They are all posted here if you care to read them.

Since then several members have asked for proof of his statement, but none is yet forthcoming. Guess he's out searching for the truth somewhere...

 

[magic-cat]

I'm well aware of what happens in a court. I know how it works.

That has nothing to do with the point of my post, which, quite simply, is this:

There are many different threads on this forum which discuss information that will never see the courtroom. Astrology, body language, our own opinions, polls, handwriting, even surveillance video of the A's home. I don't agree with the "backwards voice analysis" thread, so I leave it to posters who DO think it is relevant.

Whether or not the calls are relevant to the case is moot. It will still be discussed by members who DO want to discuss it, whether people like it or not.

That's why we have threads on certain topics. Not to only discuss information which will be seen in court.

HTH.

Twas the OP who added the additional topics as we went along although they were not included in the title. I have no problem with anyone listening to the calls. It's all well and good and we would have done that anyway. I have a problem with such outlandish statements being made and then being hogtied and not allowed to unravel the mysteries OF those statements. I mean, he as good as called Yuri Melich a "douche"...and some other wild accusations which I think are in JonBurrows last post all together. HE brought the subject up in a thread HE started...the very first thread he ever dained to start I might add...:waitasec: So are those of us who would like to hear the rest of the story to turn tail and run and just let those statements stand without opposition? I am unable to do that...

 

[pip]

I have in no way attacked Mr Hornsby once through all of this. I have attacked those posts which were:
A) Off topic (when the OP CHOSE the topic) and wildly accusational
B) Insinuating wrongdoing by LE with NO explanation of how this conlusion was come by
C) In NO WAY related to the subject at hand ie: KC is covering up an accidental death (I don't believe for one second these phone calls show that) showing an undertone of an agenda...

I have remained curteous and calm, and have asked along with others that something be offered as a foundation for these remarks...

I am not worried about the phone calls in the least. Unless it is one that KC was speaking on...

I hope you don't think I was insinuating that you had.. that is not what I meant at all. :blowkiss: No way.

 

[supergirl]

Mr. Hornsby since you first brought up the possibility of conspiracy then I feel I should propose one of many that seems possible. What if the conspiracy originated from a source other than inmates looking for an easy way out or law enforcement making sure a defendant was found guilty. What if it came from people close to a defendant? Say it was from someone looking for more media exposure, a way to discredit law enforcement, more material to be penned in a book or add scenes to a movie, or just cast doubt on guilt. If that were the case, one would start looking for connections to see if they make sense or if there was an abundance of coincidences that seemed to exist outside the normal range of odds. Let’s begin with a close jailhouse friendship between two felons documented by notes passed between them. The notes are mostly gibberish with room for speculation thrown in, some aspects appearing positive and others not that damaging but certainly capable of garnering much media attention. Next, the release of the information on Skye, River, George, Robyn, Maya and all the others that becomes available due to the Florida Sunshine Law. Putting that information together, how is it that George Anthony was involved with River and that her sister Skye was busy passing notes and communicating with Casey while both were incarcerated. Add to that the Casey and Baez involvement in getting the Walsh attorneys to help Robyn with her case while they were an active part of Casey’s defense. Then the whole thing comes to light through Maya that was receiving visits from Robyn’s father. I’m not a mathematician but I would guess the connections are off the chart. What say you?

Respectfully snipped
I say this jumped out at me as soon as I saw the lawyer coincky-dink, also. I was kind of wondering if anyone had noticed it, but with all the discord today thought maybe it had been overlooked. Was waiting for some cool down time to pass and hoped with more information coming out of these calls, maybe we could all see a few other things that made us go "hmm".
These tapes are just another source to sleuth, and nobody knows this case like my fellow w/s, if there is even the smallest little morsal in them, it will be found.

 

[babycat]

Twas the OP who added the additional topics as we went along although they were not included in the title. I have no problem with anyone listening to the calls. It's all well and good and we would have done that anyway. I have a problem with such outlandish statements being made and then being hogtied and not allowed to unravel the mysteries OF those statements. I mean, he as good as called Yuri Melich a "douche"...and some other wild accusations which I think are in JonBurrows last post all together. HE brought the subject up in a thread HE started...the very first thread he ever dained to start I might add...:waitasec: So are those of us who would like to hear the rest of the story to turn tail and run and just let those statements stand without opposition? I am unable to do that...

Not, not at all. Like pip stated earlier, it is two separate issues. I'm talking about the issues over whether the calls are important, are helping the defense, shouldn't be discussed, are icky, etc.

I'm not talking anything about the Yuri/Hornsby smackdown 2010, or whatever all that nonsense is haha. I'm so not getting into THAT drama. But I will watch from a distance

 

[21merc7]

I'm well aware of what happens in a court. I know how it works.

That has nothing to do with the point of my post, which, quite simply, is this:

There are many different threads on this forum which discuss information that will never see the courtroom. Astrology, body language, our own opinions, polls, handwriting, even surveillance video of the A's home. I don't agree with the "backwards voice analysis" thread, so I leave it to posters who DO think it is relevant.

Whether or not the calls are relevant to the case is moot. It will still be discussed by members who DO want to discuss it, whether people like it or not.

That's why we have threads on certain topics. Not to only discuss information which will be seen in court.

HTH.

I was not arguing that point, I had a direct question, but not of you. I feel others need to know because they may not. Kisses

 

[gibby207]

I just want to know one thing, it's a question that's in the back of my mind:

If RHornsby is writing a book and it gets made into a film, do I get to choose which actress portrays me in the movie?

LOL ..... no.

 

[rhornsby]

I have in no way attacked Mr Hornsby once through all of this. I have attacked those posts which were:
A) Off topic (when the OP CHOSE the topic) and wildly accusational
B) Insinuating wrongdoing by LE with NO explanation of how this conlusion was come by
C) In NO WAY related to the subject at hand ie: KC is covering up an accidental death (I don't believe for one second these phone calls show that) showing an undertone of an agenda...

I have remained curteous and calm, and have asked along with others that something be offered as a foundation for these remarks...

I am not worried about the phone calls in the least. Unless it is one that KC was speaking on...

I have never thought anyone has bashed me (it's impossible)