Ron and Misty Have Brushes With The Law 12/30/09

[titanfan62702]

Florida is a no fault state. You have to carry insurance, otherwise, and it may take a while for the DMV to catch you, but your license will be suspended.

Florida has a carseat law- 4years old and 40lbs to be in a booster seat. (your child has to be both)

as far as the truck goes with two car seats in it, i don't recall if there is an extended cab on that truck or not. But two car seats would not have fit in the front seat of that truck with two adult (or atleast adult sized people) in it. I know on the newer model trucks that are not extended cabs they have an option to turn off the passenager side aribags.

Mine is a 2000 and it has the option to turn off the passenger airbag. The Illinois law for carseats is even higher. Still have 'em for 6 & almost 5 year grandsons and they are both over 40 lb.

 

[Gotarugrat]

Holy cow.

I've finally finished reading this thread and I'm freakin' EXHAUSTED!
RC giving MC a ride to pick up her stuff from his house? What?! I figured him to be the type to throw her stuff on the lawn or box it up and put it out with the garbage and tell her if she doesn't come get it then she's just SOL.
There are two reasons I can see for him to pick her up.
1. Control. He wants to have control of the situation. Where, when and how. He wanted her alone so he could talk to her in a controlled environment, but use the "get her stuff" as an excuse.
2. They're in the are-they-or-aren't-they part of their break up. Still talking, still a little friendly (frisky) kwim?

As for the chase....wow. Just wow.
I'm not from the area, nor have I ever been there, but is there a possibility that CJ was at a stop sign when RC and MC came up behind him? That would possibly explain "parked in the middle of the road" wouldn't it?
I don't know who is at fault, but it is awfully suspecious that MC is AGAIN the passenger in a road rage incident isn't it?

I'm so disgusted with this whole thing. The people, their behavior, the weird incestious relationships/friendships, the drugs, the crime, the stupidity and the lack of movement from LE regarding Haleigh's "disapperance," the fact that so many people seem to get off scott-free from charges is just boggling.

ugh. I think I need some chocolate now.

 

[kamky]

I just listened to the Levi Page broadcast where Misty called into the show and played the phone messages from CJ and his father. It's hard to hear, but very interesting. Apparently bad blood previously existed between CJ and Ron. I'm sure this was exacerbated when Misty went to stay with CJ's family after her divorce from Ron.

Per Misty, she & Ron were driving and CJ pulled up on them from nowhere and drove in a threatening manner. She says there were 2 young children in the car and that CJ tried to run them off the road. She maintained that Ron did nothing wrong. She said the incident lasted 5 - 8 minutes.

IMO, since police did not witness the incident, it's a he said/he said situation. There is no proof that Ron had a gun and it's certainly possible that he could have held a flashlight or something similar to try and scare CJ off. However, police do have Misty's statement that there were two young children in the car. There might be a case against Ron for child endangerment unless Ron can show that there was proper securement for these children. Based on Misty's phone recordings, there might also be a case against CJ and his father for terroristic threatening.

It sounds to me like CJ saw Ron's truck and decided to harass him. The two cars engaged in some mutual "posturing" activities and Ron had Misty call 911 since he was busy driving. I don't think CJ knew Misty was in the truck until he saw her, at some point, and I suspect this enraged him even more. CJ called 911 to try and place blame on Ron. On this call, he threatens to do harm to Ron. The 911 operator handled this call very well. It sounds like this entire incident lasted less than 10 minutes and ended before LE could respond. IMO, both sides have exaggerated the actions of the other side.

I think that PCSO needs to nip this in the bud or it will encourage similar episodes.

 

[krt]

Yep. By this time, Misty is probably on a first name basis with the 911 operators. jmo

I don't know about that..........remember she doesn't like to give her name out on 911 calls..................snicker

 

[krt]

Wow, the Scarface picture in the living room compliments the decor so beautifully!

Is it velvet? :angel:

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Ron is on constant alert. He must stay one step ahead of the enemy. He has many so it is going to be difficult. He is a ticking bomb. Notice he ran to GMA's for protection prior to LE locating him. Has to get his ducks in order. On the other hand, Man, that misty can lie. The more I hear her, the easier it is to read her. Would have been nice to hear from the victim himsef, Ron, but he sends his minions to do his work for him. What a guy!

Charlie could be the cataylst that helps break the case; now, rc has to guard misty again and keep her from his enemies, so she won't talk. RC's job in life is to manage the people who may talk to LE or anyone about him. How far he will go will be determined.

BBM --

This made me think back to one of RC's original interviews when he stated (very smugly) he had no enemies. After all these months and everything thats happened, I can't believe a lightening bolt didn't come out of the sky and strike him dead! I think it would be easier to round up the people who actually DO like him!

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM --

This made me think back to one of RC's original interviews when he stated (very smugly) he had no enemies. After all these months and everything thats happened, I can't believe a lightening bolt didn't come out of the sky and strike him dead! I think it would be easier to round up the people who actually DO like him!

BBM..IIRC he stated he didn't make friends either...So there you have it...JMO

 

[grandmaj]

Just an FYI We didn't hear "who" it wasn't stated over the scanner but at the precise moment Misty was introduced last night a call came into dispatch for assistance from C.J. It originally was classified as a disturbance, was changed to a threat/harassment call and then changed to information after the officer spoke to the Sgt. I find it not a coincidence that this happened at the precise time that Misty was appearing on the Levi Show. We are keeping our ears open.

 

[Gotarugrat]

Just an FYI We didn't hear "who" it wasn't stated over the scanner but at the precise moment Misty was introduced last night a call came into dispatch for assistance from C.J. It originally was classified as a disturbance, was changed to a threat/harassment call and then changed to information after the officer spoke to the Sgt. I find it not a coincidence that this happened at the precise time that Misty was appearing on the Levi Show. We are keeping our ears open.

Perhaps to keep MC from appearing involved??

Hmmm...Looks like I need to head downstairs and check up on the scanner thread!

 

[grandmaj]

Perhaps to keep MC from appearing involved??

Hmmm...Looks like I need to head downstairs and check up on the scanner thread!

There really isn't much there on last night's call. Basically they protected much of the transmission. I just wanted to alert you all that it happened, it isn't the first time he has called for the same reason and we are listening.

 

[kamky]

It's really interesting how, out of all these characters, the one person who seems to have adjusted to making comments to the media is Misty. Not only does she seem much more comfortable at it than anyone else, but she seems to be using it to her advantage to try and improve her image and to manipulate the situation to fit her perspective. Ever the con artist, but you have to give her credit for rising to the challenge!

 

[debs]

No offense intended, Kam........and I'm all for our little girl growing up, but I'd much rather she become the one who feels more comfortable talking to LE and improving their image of her.

 

[Whisperer]

Misty craves attention.....doesn't care if is negative or positive just so she gets it.

 

[Whisperer]

.....Go Charlie.....You go guy! It has been eleven months and this is the first person to publicly call rc out!

 

[Whisperer]

Misty is always around for rc if it involves LE:

1. Misty was there for rc during Haleigh, saying he was at work and would not ever hurt Haleigh
2. She backed him during his assault charge, stating her brother was the aggressor.
2. She backed him during ratgate, saying he wasn't there and didn't put the rat in the mailbox.
3. Now, she has backed him for road rage....saying they were doing the speed limit and RC did NOT have a gun.

.....Looks to me like misty needs to benefit from all this support. Just wondering how...

Now I know why Sykes and TN "adore" her.

 

[kamky]

Ron is on constant alert. He must stay one step ahead of the enemy. He has many so it is going to be difficult. He is a ticking bomb. Notice he ran to GMA's for protection prior to LE locating him. Has to get his ducks in order. On the other hand, Man, that misty can lie. The more I hear her, the easier it is to read her. Would have been nice to hear from the victim himsef, Ron, but he sends his minions to do his work for him. What a guy!~SNIP~

He has too be, Whisp! He is the target of every troublemaker in town who wants to be part of the action. I know that many feel that Ron had some involvement with his child's disappearance. I don't happen to think he did, for many reasons. However, we all agree that we want the truth to come out and we all wish & hope that this little child is still alive. We all want the perp to be caught and brought to justice.

I think we all agree that Ron has made a lot of mistakes in his life and has some serious flaws. Especially in his younger days, he was wild, got involved with drugs, left school early, disregarded the law, and displayed a cocky, know-it-all attitude. Where we disagree is in what this means.
Anything is possible and I don't think any of us really know, as we don't know him & his family personally. IMO, he showed marked improvement in the last 4 or 5 years (less or no criminal activity, evidence that he moved away from drugs, employment, provision of home for children, childcare arrangements (I didn't say good childcare arrangements :frown, etc.). While he was far from perfect, he was trying, and I give him credit for this. Most of all, I listen to what Haleigh & Jr tell us about their father and this is that they love him and think he's the greatest. I cannot disregard this. This is the primary reason that I don't believe that he had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction. Please don't think this means that I think he's a wonderful guy! But, his actions reflect his personal peculiarities, just as my actions would reflect mine if I were in the same situation. One could read anything into them - something sinister or something benign, based on whether or not one thinks he had something to do with this crime.

Every jerk in town will be after this guy. I still feel he is innocent because there is really no clear evidence that he was involved, so I have sympathy towards him for being a target. Even if he used to be a petty criminal, he shouldn't have to have hatred added to the mix. Can you imagine having to deal with that after having lost a beloved child? He hasn't been charged for his petty crimes because he is one of hundreds of similar young men in Putnam County that have committed the same types of crimes, and they are all handled the same way. I don't think he is getting special treatment at all. PCSO has to focus on more serious crimes. Ron needs to hunker down, focus on Jr, get employment, get his GED, and avoid brushes with the law at all costs.

My point is that it's very hard to be objective, but I think we have to all try to. If we think he is guilty, then we can pick apart everything he does as wrong and evil and more evidence of his guilt. If we think he is innocent, then we can devise a simple rationale for every mistep he makes and make him look saintly. PCSO has just revealed that they have new info on the days before Haleigh's abduction and the events of the weekend prior. This is hopeful information and, to me, it points the finger more directly at Misty and her friends. The Croslins are a family of seasoned con artists who steal, do drugs, lie, and are vengeful. Misty is a product of this upbringing, and it was unfortunate for Ron that he ever got involved with this family. We need to look harder at the time period that PCSO has indicated.

 

[Whisperer]

Kamky, I must disagree with you about your thinking concerning rc and all it will take is a diploma, job, start focusing on his son and avoiding breaking the law. He has had eight years to do those things....don't think that is happening. He has only been in minor scraps because he is being carefully guarded by GMA. She slips up sometimes and he gets out and in trouble...but you see where he goes when LE comes a-calling

Ron makes his choices and if were "all that", they would be better. He did/does drugs. Take a good look at his eyes on Aug 7.

He sleeps with minors. He marries the person who is a suspect of possibly killing his daughter. How in the world does anyone explain that? at best they are going to say he lacks good judgment...WTH? Judgment is the most critical attribute you need to parent children.

He just hasn't got caught much since 2005, he has still managed to get in trouble as I recall a hit and run with injuries. There is more. He even managed to get caught with drugs in 2005, found guilty and then filed custody and managed to get caught again with drugs shortly after filing custody. There has been no rehab AFAIK, and I can't credit him with being strong enough or have enough integrity to quit all on his own. He may have started up a new addiction in place of it such as alcohol or prescription meds...just speculationg here. That is because very few addicts at such a young age can just "kick" the habit w/o serious help. Personally, I don't see rc as the kind who is going to ask for help or even admit there is a problem

Yes, he says he loved his children but has admitted to hitting them. He has a quick temper and it would not surprise me at all if he hurt them. Children have often said they loved an abusive parent...they are afraid not to love them.

His poor judgement has led to the death of his daughter. I cannot sit here and pretend to think she is alive. LE are looking at him or misty or both as the ones who made Haleigh disappear.

As far as providing...come on now. He existed as did his children with the help of others and the state.

The Cummings family has some serious drug/alcohol issues, imo, and also have a history of crime. The croslins don't have anything on them. I suggest you take a look at Cummings family arrests records.

I nominate Steve Wilkos type cop to have a little sit-down with rc, without his mom and GMA there. RC lives in a protective bubble and we have not seen much of him...only when he sneaks out every so often. This is an extremely immature man/child and I don't see him changing. He does not take responsibility for anything on anyone. He leaves that up to others.

As far as the time period....as soon as they clarify and tell us when rc got off work, it will be more clear. If he were at work and accounted for, for twelve hours, I would gladly take him off my plate. I will say though that I can appreciate that there are people, as yourself, who can see good in all things. If it weren't for people like yourself it would be a gloomy world.

 

[Cicada]

My problem with all of this is that I don't see how they are going to charge Ron with anything because they didn't catch up with him until he was already at AS's home where he lives.

At that point, once everyone is out of the truck, unless they can prove that there were children in the truck, not in car seats, or they search the truck, either with Ron's permission or a warrant, noone is going to get charged with anything in my opinion.

Just jumping off your post here, MM:

I don't think they would charge Ron with anything regarding the children, as the officer never included them in his report. (jmo)

 

[kamky]

Kamky, I must disagree with you about your thinking concerning rc and all it will take is a diploma, job, start focusing on his son and avoiding breaking the law. He has had eight years to do those things....don't think that is happening. He has only been in minor scraps because he is being carefully guarded by GMA. She slips up sometimes and he gets out and in trouble...but you see where he goes when LE comes a-calling

Ron makes his choices and if were "all that", they would be better. He did/does drugs. Take a good look at his eyes on Aug 7.

He sleeps with minors. He marries the person who is a suspect of possibly killing his daughter. How in the world does anyone explain that? at best they are going to say he lacks good judgment...WTH? Judgment is the most critical attribute you need to parent children.

He just hasn't got caught much since 2005, he has still managed to get in trouble as I recall a hit and run with injuries. There is more. He even managed to get caught with drugs in 2005, found guilty and then filed custody and managed to get caught again with drugs shortly after filing custody. There has been no rehab AFAIK, and I can't credit him with being strong enough or have enough integrity to quit all on his own. He may have started up a new addiction in place of it such as alcohol or prescription meds...just speculationg here. That is because very few addicts at such a young age can just "kick" the habit w/o serious help. Personally, I don't see rc as the kind who is going to ask for help or even admit there is a problem

Yes, he says he loved his children but has admitted to hitting them. He has a quick temper and it would not surprise me at all if he hurt them. Children have often said they loved an abusive parent...they are afraid not to love them.

His poor judgement has led to the death of his daughter. I cannot sit here and pretend to think she is alive. LE are looking at him or misty or both as the ones who made Haleigh disappear.

As far as providing...come on now. He existed as did his children with the help of others and the state.

The Cummings family has some serious drug/alcohol issues, imo, and also have a history of crime. The croslins don't have anything on them. I suggest you take a look at Cummings family arrests records.

I nominate Steve Wilkos type cop to have a little sit-down with rc, without his mom and GMA there. RC lives in a protective bubble and we have not seen much of him...only when he sneaks out every so often. This is an extremely immature man/child and I don't see him changing. He does not take responsibility for anything on anyone. He leaves that up to others.

As far as the time period....as soon as they clarify and tell us when rc got off work, it will be more clear. If he were at work and accounted for, for twelve hours, I would gladly take him off my plate. I will say though that I can appreciate that there are people, as yourself, who can see good in all things. If it weren't for people like yourself it would be a gloomy world.

Whisp, I respect you and this was a well-written post. I actually do agree with many of the things that you say. But, I do think that doing such things as getting a diploma, a job, focusing on his son and avoiding breaking the law would help Ron mature, improve himself, avoid getting into trouble. You may be right, that he has been so coddled and not given the life guidence to even be able to do these things. I don't know the man, so I don't know if he has the gumption to improve. I guess I am ever hopeful that a life-changing occurrence such as one's child being taken would motivate one to shape up.

I believe that he obtained custody because of Crystal's drug problems and inability to even get and hold a job. This was so apparent from the custody reports and from her spaced-out TV interviews, so embarassing to even watch. Ron was the better parent of the two, sad to say. Both their families, as well as the Croslins, are filled with people with criminal records. In my family, a traffic ticket is the greatest crime and is almost unheard of, so it's hard for me to comprehend almost all someone's relatives having records. But, Ron managed to find work as a crane operator, at risk of drug testing, and to stick with it until this crime occurred. He didn't like Tommy or Nay Nay, both drug users, being around the MH or Misty & the kids. This says to me that he was trying to avoid drugs. There is no way for me to really know this, but it implies that he was trying to improve. Or at least that he knew he had a lot at stake regarding custody and that he had better improve.

It would be very helpful if LE would clarify and tell us when Ron got off work. It isn't fair to anyone who is innocent of this crime to be still under the shadow of suspicion because LE won't clear them. But I think they are so anxious to solve this crime that they don't really care about fairness to anyone but Haleigh. If their approach ends up working, even if it takes a year or more, then I guess it will prove to be worthwhile. I too doubt this poor child is alive at this point, unfortunately, although I still hope and pray that she is.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Just jumped in, not sure if this has been posted yet.

PCSO: Dispatcher Properly Handled 911 Road Rage Call
Lt. Johnny Greenwood responded to 97.3 The Sky's questions pertaining to the dispatcher's handling of this incident

Posted: Monday, 04 January 2010 8:46AM
"Snip" TJ Hart http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6029481.php


Many questions arose from the incident after the 911 audio was released to 97.3 The Sky.


"I just listened to the recording. This is really not a procedure, but this an experienced communication officer knows what is required to charge someone with a crime of this nature. She was attempting to obtain the information to assist the responding deputy with the case. With out a victim, the state cannot become the victim in this type of case, and could not pursue any charges. An officer could stop the vehicle on the word of an anonymous caller, but could not charge him/her with a crime unless a crime was committed in the officer’s presence."

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office has its hands full with this incident. Charles Norman Jones, the man in the other vehicle also contacted 911 with some rather unusual comments.


No charges have been filed or arrests made in this alleged incident as of Monday morning 1/4/10.