Ron C. # 11

[Shaymus at The Rock]

good point. He did ask for a PD didn't he. So I guess we can assume that Nejame WILL NOT be representing RC in that case.

Unless he does it pro bono. That seems to happen a lot in Florida !! :crazy:

 

[elle1919]

Just because someone is insolvent, doesn't mean they can't use a lawyer other than a PD. KP & Kimball both acted pro bono.

I don't know that we know that he "asked for a pd" or whether the Court just ordered that one be appointed...but even if one is appointed, Ron doesn't have to use him and can use private representation if he has a private lawyer to represent him.

He did ask for a public defender. I remember reading it. I have to go grocery shopping so I can't link you up now....but I did read it on one of the threads here.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Surely if one has time, and space on the RC threads, for disparaging Crystal (and her entire family) by repeating ad infinitum even what has never been proven, ie speculation re whether or not she appeared before cameras while coordinating Haleigh's Closet, along w guesswork about everyone from Marie to Chad (and every other peripheral player w whom LE is evidently not expressing a need to interview), surely one has time to refute the court documented proven facts and dates, clearly on record, showing the sequence of events, drug-related charges, as well as tactics used in court to impune CS's character and deprive her of her children... After all of the scurrilous accusations repeatedly made and undeserved malice directed at CS (on RC's thread) on the basis of misinfo, the least that is owed to Haleigh's mother in the face of this is a point by point explanation or breakdown of why every fact, as put forth in the documents and just compiled by debs, is not what emerges. For what we are given in this presentation of court documented facts is in truth a far cry, and a refreshing change, from the real life rumor and "innuendo" routinely tossed out here--either under "JMO" or alleging as fact--on this forum. Thank you again debs, it would seem if one is unwilling to counter or even confront the facts head on, it is not the truth they are seeking, "but an illusion they can bear to live with." ~~Anais Nin JMO

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[mysticrose]

Yes there are....many of them. And KP discussed it on tv (said Crystal thought the money was coming out of her paycheck) and discussed it with the press when a donor paid the back support. It's also a fact she was facing possible jail time as the Court had commenced proceedings for Contempt against her (for the non-payment) just before Haleigh went missing.

BBM...
So apparentley there was belief Ron was recieving his payment due to garnishment.

 

[Busylady]

What is frustrating kiki is that the corrections have been made numerous numerous times giving page numbers line numbers direct wording from the custody document and those are ignored. The synopsis gave has several errors that have been corrected numerous times, you reach a point when you throw you hands in the air and say there is no point in correcting it once again because it will be ignored and tomorrow the incorrect info will just be posted again. Therefore the only suggestion is people not take it as fact but read the custody documents as well, if they would like an accurate time line, accurate info on how the child support was figured, accurate info on what files the judge reviewed before making his decision, accurate info that drug charges were brought up by Crystal and the list goes on. I for one chose to focus my energy elsewhere at this point.

Surely if one has time, and space on the RC threads, for disparaging Crystal (and her entire family) by repeating ad infinitum even what has never been proven, ie speculation re whether or not she appeared before cameras while coordinating Haleigh's Closet, along w guesswork about everyone from Marie to Chad (and every other peripheral player w whom LE is evidently not expressing a need to interview), surely one has time to refute the court documented proven facts and dates, clearly on record, showing the sequence of events, drug-related charges, as well as tactics used in court to impune CS's character and deprive her of her children... After all of the scurrilous accusations repeatedly made and undeserved malice directed at CS (on RC's thread) on the basis of misinfo, the least that is owed to Haleigh's mother in the face of this is a point by point explanation or breakdown of why every fact, as put forth in the documents and just compiled by debs, is not what emerges. For what we are given in this presentation of court documented facts is in truth a far cry, and a refreshing change, from the real life rumor and "innuendo" routinely tossed out here--either under "JMO" or alleging as fact--on this forum. Thank you again debs, it would seem if one is unwilling to counter or even confront the facts head on, it is not the truth they are seeking, "but an illusion they can bear to live with." ~~Anais Nin JMO

arrot:

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Hi bunny, you think it would make perfect sense that RC would hire an attorney for the arrest following the fight with Hankjr. I can agree that if he wanted to fight the charges he could do that by hiring an attorney. I am not of the opinion that Nejame was asked to come "help" The Cummings Family in the assault case because it is clear that Nejame was referring to Haleigh when he said he talked to Tim Miller.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20402040/detail.html

NeJame said the missing girl's family asked him to help, and he then asked missing child advocate Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch to work with him.

Do you think Nejame is going to be representing RC in the assault case?

I really wish that Nejame was appointed for Haleigh..to represent her and her only. I just don't understand why all these children that go missing get no representation. I am glad he is in the picture regardless. I do respect Nejame and feel he is a great Attorney. I think regardless what side he is representing, he will do what is best for Haleigh or back out. Like he did in Caylee's case. I am glad that TES is back in the picture as well. Haleigh deserves to be found.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

BBM...
So apparentley there was belief Ron was recieving his payment due to garnishment.

I'm not sure how you jump to that conclusion. There was no garnishment.

She only worked at that waitressing job for a short time...she gave that as her "excuse" for that period of time, and I find it very hard to believe you wouldn't care enough about your child to make sure the money was coming out...as far as I am aware she is literate and could have looked at her pay stubs.....she didn't even try to explain all the other years of non-payment IIRC.

 

[Malesherbes]

I'm not sure how you jump to that conclusion. There was no garnishment.

She only worked at that waitressing job for a short time...she gave that as her "excuse" for that period of time, and I find it very hard to believe you wouldn't care enough about your child to make sure the money was coming out...as far as I am aware she is literate and could have looked at her pay stubs.....she didn't even try to explain all the other years of non-payment IIRC.

Why didn't Ron go after her years sooner, no one can answer that.

 

[kamky]

Are there any links to she never ever paid a child support payment? It seems to be stated as fact, any links? TIA

The amount paid by the donor was roughly $12,000. At Crystal's monthly obligation of $350, that comes to aound 34 months, or almost three years of delinquency. I don't know if Crystal ever paid anything on her own because I don't know the exact date her responsibility started.

This link references that $12,000 amount:

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/071709/news_1754651.shtml

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Why didn't Ron go after her years sooner, no one can answer that.

Maybe because he's a nice guy and didn't want to do anything to hurt/harm the mother of his beloved children. He never went after her this time either. But it is interesting that Haleigh disappeared right after she became aware she was facing possible prison time over the non-payment. That must have been very scary for her.

 

[kiki the parrot]

What is frustrating kiki is that the corrections have been made numerous numerous times giving page numbers line numbers direct wording from the custody document and those are ignored. The synopsis gave has several errors that have been corrected numerous times, you reach a point when you throw you hands in the air and say there is no point in correcting it once again because it will be ignored and tomorrow the incorrect info will just be posted again. Therefore the only suggestion is people not take it as fact but read the custody documents as well, if they would like an accurate time line, accurate info on how the child support was figured, accurate info on what files the judge reviewed before making his decision, accurate info that drug charges were brought up by Crystal and the list goes on. I for one chose to focus my energy elsewhere at this point.

(bbm) I'm sure you do, what has been made "numerous, numerous" times are merely allegations and accusations, which have now upon consulting and compiling those very custody documents--in their entirety--been clearly disproven. JMO

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[mysticrose]

Yes there are....many of them. And KP discussed it on tv (said Crystal thought the money was coming out of her paycheck) and discussed it with the press when a donor paid the back support. It's also a fact she was facing possible jail time as the Court had commenced proceedings for Contempt against her (for the non-payment) just before Haleigh went missing.

I'm not sure how you jump to that conclusion. There was no garnishment.

She only worked at that waitressing job for a short time...she gave that as her "excuse" for that period of time, and I find it very hard to believe you wouldn't care enough about your child to make sure the money was coming out...as far as I am aware she is literate and could have looked at her pay stubs.....she didn't even try to explain all the other years of non-payment IIRC.

The first bolded statement is how I came to my conclusion , basicly from your post. Apparentley it was thought Ron was recieving payment for support from the paycheck (garnishment).
But I feel if we are to discuss it any further it should be taken to Crystal's thread.

 

[Busylady]

LOL stating page numbers, line numbers and exact wording from the custody documents is not merely allegations and accusations, it would be called stating fact. So not really sure how they can be disproven. Like I stated early it people want the accurate info it is best to read the custody documents in their entirety.

(bbm) I'm sure you do, what has been made "numerous, numerous" times are merely allegations and accusations, which have now upon consulting and compiling those very custody documents--in their entirety--been clearly disproven. JMO

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[mysticrose]

The amount paid by the donor was roughly $12,000. At Crystal's monthly obligation of $350, that comes to aound 34 months, or almost three years of delinquency. I don't know if Crystal ever paid anything on her own because I don't know the exact date her responsibility started.

This link references that $12,000 amount:

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/071709/news_1754651.shtml

Ron's back owed child support from Crystal was that amount (12,000) which I am sure included interest and other accumilated fees (here in Colorado they will tack on 12% interest for back support) , so unless we have a break down of the "other costs" I'm not sure if there can be an accurate time frame..jmo

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Ron's back owed child support from Crystal was that amount (12,000) which I am sure included interest and other accumilated fees (here in Colorado they will tack on 12% interest for back support) , so unless we have a break down of the "other costs" I'm not sure if there can be an accurate time frame..jmo

Do the math...even if at 12%, it would only be a very small portion of the amount she owed.

 

[Flossie JMO]

The amount paid by the donor was roughly $12,000. At Crystal's monthly obligation of $350, that comes to aound 34 months, or almost three years of delinquency. I don't know if Crystal ever paid anything on her own because I don't know the exact date her responsibility started.

This link references that $12,000 amount:

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/071709/news_1754651.shtml

I'm terrible at math, how does it work out at the $323 amount? and the money they intercepted
2008-06-16 055.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08

 

[mysticrose]

Do the math...even if at 12%, it would only be a very small portion of the amount she owed.

Well if you would take the time out to look up fees and penalties which is what I have been doing you will see there are different %rates determined each year for FL. I can do my math just fine thankyou! You also have to take into consideration if there were any other court cost associated with this as well and so far I have not seen the breakdown. So unless you have some LINK in regards to the above issue maybe you should do some "looking" to understand it better. :bang:
Here would be one link and there are a hundred more:

Interest on Missed Florida Child Support Payments
The State of Florida charges interest on judgments. A missed payment becomes a judgment by operation of law. Interest rates on judgments are determined annually by the state Comptroller

http://www.supportcollectors.com/csrc/florida.php#interest

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Well if you would take the time out to look up fees and penalties which is what I have been doing you will see there are different %rates determined each year for FL. I can do my math just fine thankyou! You also have to take into consideration if there were any other court cost associated with this as well and so far I have not seen the breakdown. So unless you have some LINK in regards to the above issue maybe you should do some "looking" to understand it better. :bang:
Here would be one link and there are a hundred more:

Interest on Missed Florida Child Support Payments
The State of Florida charges interest on judgments. A missed payment becomes a judgment by operation of law. Interest rates on judgments are determined annually by the state Comptroller

http://www.supportcollectors.com/csrc/florida.php#interest

Do you have a link that shows the interest rate was 12% or thereabouts? That link is only a commercial agency website.

 

[kamky]

I'm terrible at math, how does it work out at the $323 amount? and the money they intercepted
2008-06-16 055.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08

That would work out to a few more months, but my calculation was just an approximation, because I don't remember the exact full amount of monies owed, just that it was around $12,000. Even with interest, etc, I think it is safe to say that that would have represented over 2 years and probably closer to three years of non-payment. This is an approximation.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Do you have a link that shows the interest rate was 12% or thereabouts? That link is only a commercial agency website.

I have dealt with Florida Child Support Enforcement here are a couple of links. Each case is different I assume, mine started out 22 yrs ago and the interest rate was 3%. I have no idea how much it is now though. Hope this helps.


FL Dept Rev - Child Support http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/childsupport/guidelines.html


[PDF] Florida Rules of Procedure Form 12.902(e), Child Support ...
http://www.flcourts.org/gen_public/family/forms_rules/902e.pdf