Ron C. # 11

[nomoresorrow]

Ok, but the inside door would have had to been propped open to see that the outside door was propped.

The inside door was open about 6 inches from LE stated - it was not propped open.

And that is one of the reasons why, IMO, LE disbelieves Misty's story. As I stated before, when someone stages a scene , oftentimes they make huge mistakes when trying to place themselves in that scene and I am speculating that Misty, when describing and physically illustrating to LE her movements and actions after she woke up, missed a few very important steps - like having to actually go to the laundry area and to the interior door to actually see that door open and then having to open that door (the interior) at least a few inches to see that the storm door was propped open but of course, in addition one would have to turn on the outside light to see the cement block propped against the door and it probably isn't very likely either that a young girl, being scared of an intruder, would have proceeded to the backdoor without turning the laundry area/hall light on also - IMO, I think Misty missed a few major details . . .

JMO

 

[nomoresorrow]

Bumping for those who overlooked it . . .

Whether picked or bumped, it doesn't matter, it still leaves evidence and is still considered forced entry by LE;

Key Bumping: Forensic Evidence

The act of key bumping basically slams the key against the bottom pins to allow for kinetic energy to be transferred from the key to the top pins. Because they are immobile and absorb the kinetic energy, this causes considerable damage to the bottom pins in the form of large dents and scratches.
Bumping is rarely 100% successful, either because bottom pins are bumped above shear line, or top pins are not bumped high enough. When this happens the tension applied will misfire, causing one or more top pins to bind. This causes light shearing against the bottom of the top pins.

More on key-bumping here & pictures showing forensic evidence of key-bumping;
http://www.lockpickingforensics.com/bumping.php

Lock-picking: Forensic Evidence

The act of using a pick tool is invasive, and we expect the stronger material of the pick tool to cause marks on the softer brass or nickel-silver of the lock components. In this photo, we see scratches where the pick tool was used to lift the pin. These appear to be single-pin picking marks due to their shape and consistency.
The marks left by an attacker are in many ways indicative of their skill level. If the attacker is an amateur, extreme force on both tension and pick tools are used leaving extremely deep and plentiful pick marks. The extreme tension causes pins to bind against plug and require more force to be lifted.
Despite skill, similar forensic evidence is still found even when a very skilled attacker uses extremely light tension and picking force to try to reduce forensic evidence.

More Lock-picking information here & pictures showing forensic evidence of lock-picking;
http://www.lockpickingforensics.com/lockpicking.php

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BB NMS)

No forced entry means no damage to the property, the screen door would not of been locked, if the main door was lock bumped there would be no damage. LE did not take the outside door for further evaluation just the screen door.

Busy, That is not true. I bumped my post (above) on this issue - key -bumping does leave forensic evidence . . .

 

[Dee10]

The inside door was open about 6 inches from LE stated - it was not propped open.

I have never heard that, but what was holding the inside door open?


SCHIAVO: Now, Teresa told us earlier that it was the screen door that was propped open with the cinderblock, not the actual main door. But both doors -- both doors, and I can take you and show you -- will both -- they both actually close automatically...........

SCHIAVO: So here`s the back door and here`s the lock. It sticks, so -- there you go. Now, we open the back door, and here`s the back screen door, the one that was propped open with the cinderblock, OK? Now, if you see when it closed -- it slams. It makes a loud noise. But if you leave this door -- this slowly closes, as well. So leaves a lot of questions as to what exactly -- how exactly did this person do this.


SCHIAVO: OK, Nancy. Basically, what I was saying to you is that the back door opens and shuts. When it shuts, it shuts automatically. So this was the one that was propped up with the cinderblock. This is a deadbolt, OK? Misty said that this one was wide open and this was propped open with the cinderblock. So basically -- and -- but if you leave this door by itself, it slowly closes on its own.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/06/ng.01.html

 

[Gracenote]

Did someone say for sure that Ron installed the bolt lock or was it the previous owner? I remember a video or interview but don't remember the final answer.

 

[Dee10]

Did someone say for sure that Ron installed the bolt lock or was it the previous owner? I remember a video or interview but don't remember the final answer.

IIRC Ron installed the lock to protect his family, and I think the neighbor/landlord confirmed or told this. I will give a quick see for a link.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I just called my local police department and asked an officer what they consider forced entry he
said that “if there are signs of a break in” i.e. “broken windows, broken door frames, etc.”
I also asked if lock bumping would show as a forced entry and he said “ No it wouldn’t because
your actually hitting the key and turning the knob and not doing any damage to the actual door
knob itself”. "Any damage would be to the key".

Thanks for verifying those things! The only damage I have found with lock bumping is to the front of the lock and usually only if done repeatedly or where the bump key didn't have a "bumper guard" type thing.

There would be no forced entry coming in through an unlocked window, walking through an unlocked door, or if someone let them...unless there were signs left behind so LE could definitely be mistaken about a stranger, imo.

We know Ronald said he locked the door before he left for work and Misty thought it was locked...again...no one mentioned locking the front door. Someone could have knocked lightly and Haleigh woke up to let them in thinking it was her Daddy, too. Someone could have come in through a window and locked it behind them leaving out the back door.

I have always thought Ronald and Misty were telling the truth about the back door being locked and the block being there.

Sorry, Dee...but LE stated in one of the first pressers that the door only closed to within six inches when they tried it. It did not close all the way. If there were clothes on the floor...the laundry could easily have kept it from closing.

We don't need a link as Ronald did state he changed the lock himself. It was a deadbolt with a turn bar instead of a key inside.

The door was probably opened by Ronald when he was looking for Haleigh before LE ever arrived, imo. If clothing was holding it open...it may have been moved when he did this, imo.

 

[Malesherbes]

IIRC Ron installed the lock to protect his family, and I think the neighbor/landlord confirmed or told this. I will give a quick see for a link.

Yeah, that lock really protected the family! And it did, considering it wasn't picked.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yeah, that lock really protected the family! And it did, considering it wasn't picked.

Can you prove someone did not unlock it earlier in the day before she went missing? Can you prove someone didn't bump the lock? Can you prove that someone didn't come in through the front door and go out the back? I would say it wasn't the lock being picked to be the problem and no matter how good the lock is...it could not prevent any of those things.

Ronald did the right thing by trying to protect his family by changing the lock. I always heard that locks only keep out the honest people anyway. If someone wants to get into your house...they will find a way.

 

[Dee10]

Can you prove someone did not unlock it earlier in the day before she went missing? Can you prove someone didn't bump the lock? Can you prove that someone didn't come in through the front door and go out the back? I would say it wasn't the lock being picked to be the problem and no matter how good the lock is...it could not prevent any of those things.

Ronald did the right thing by trying to protect his family by changing the lock. I always heard that locks only keep out the honest people anyway. If someone wants to get into your house...they will find a way.

Certainly if there was an open window & screen (if there was a screen) Ron needs to get Misty to report this, in all her interviews with the media she hasn't mentioned this crucial detail. She also has not publically mentioned what was in the way of the inside door closing all the way. Was there someone in the MH after Ron locked the door & went to work that she didn't mention to LE? Just these 3 details could help clear up some inconsistencies.

 

[kiki the parrot]

We also can not prove that someone left it unlocked earlier in the day, that someone bumped it as she slept, that Misty did not lock the front door and leave by the back w/out locking it... or that anyone else entered the MH that nite at all for that matter. I think we are discussing possibilities. To adopt the attitude that "locks are worthless anyway" would be grossly negligent and reckless at any time IMO but particularly if children are ever left in a home alone. JMHO

arrot:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Certainly if there was an open window & screen (if there was a screen) Ron needs to get Misty to report this, in all her interviews with the media she hasn't mentioned this crucial detail. She also has not publically mentioned what was in the way of the inside door closing all the way. Was there someone in the MH after Ron locked the door & went to work that she didn't mention to LE? Just these 3 details could help clear up some inconsistencies.

I honestly believe they did not come in through a window, but if it didn't have a screen and it was locked back...she wouldn't have a clue, imo.

No, she mentioned her brother, nephews, and the AC man who were all inside the mh after Ronald went to work. We know it wasn't the AC man. Her brother has not been cleared or ruled out as a potential suspect. I am pretty sure her nephews had nothing to do with it, imo.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We also can not prove that someone left it unlocked, that someone bumped it, that Misty did not lock the front door, and leave by the back w/out locking... or that anyone else entered the MH that nite at all for that matter. I think we are discussing possibilities. To adopt the attitude that "locks are worthless anyway" would be grossly negligent and reckless at any time IMO but particularly if children are ever left in a home alone. JMHO

arrot:

Locks are worthless if a person has the desire and knowledge to break into your home. My friend just had his front door kicked in with a deadbolt and another lock on it. He thought they were secure, but learned a hard lesson. He has children. Maybe I should tell him that he is grossly negligent and reckless since one of his children had been home the day before alone due to illness. Here we considered them to be extremely lucky and thankful she wasn't there.

To my knowledge, Ronald or Misty NEVER left the children in the home unattended. If you have such proof...please post it.

 

[Dee10]

I honestly believe they did not come in through a window, but if it didn't have a screen and it was locked back...she wouldn't have a clue, imo.

I am not sure what "locked back" means. Misty & Ron I am sure would be screaming this is possibility no? I trust LE in this very public case have ck'd every window and screen for any bending, DNA you don't go up & over into a window without leaving even a shirt thread. Once again if this did miraculously happen, it must have been someone close the family &/or the MH to know how far they would fall or what they would land on.

 

[cuppy199]

Bumping for those who overlooked it . . .

Surreptitious entry techniques are non-destructive and do not leave any discernible forensic evidence. Surreptitious techniques are not discovered by regular users, and qualified investigators may be unable to identify them, depending on the technique.

 

[cajun]

Certainly if there was an open window & screen (if there was a screen) Ron needs to get Misty to report this, in all her interviews with the media she hasn't mentioned this crucial detail. She also has not publically mentioned what was in the way of the inside door closing all the way. Was there someone in the MH after Ron locked the door & went to work that she didn't mention to LE? Just these 3 details could help clear up some inconsistencies.

Just because she didn't tell the press doesnt mean she didn't tell LE. If someone came in through an unlocked window and locked it once inside what's to tell? How would she know? How would LE know? Only the person that took Haleigh knows how they gained entry.

 

[Dee10]

Snipped by me.

To my knowledge, Ronald or Misty NEVER left the children in the home unattended. If you have such proof...please post it.

I agree SS that is the biggest question right now & LE is asking for anyone who knows Misty's activities the evening into the morning to come forward! So tick tock, it is a waiting game. If Misty was out, she would be smart to make a deal with LE & come forward first IMO. The truth whatever it is will come out at some point IMO> I could care a less for any of the players in this fiasco, I want Haleigh found & the truth told.

 

[Dee10]

Just because she didn't tell the press doesnt mean she didn't tell LE. If someone came in through an unlocked window and locked it once inside what's to tell? How would she know? How would LE know? Only the person that took Haleigh knows how they gained entry.

LE stated NO forced entry PERIOD, so they checked every entry.

 

[cajun]

If someone came in through an unlocked door/window there would be no forced entry. It would be like you getting locked out of your house and you go in through an open window..you just enter, it's not forced entry. Nothing was broken, torn, or jimmied.

I'm through with this argument, it's completely off topic to this thread.

 

[mysticrose]

Locks are worthless if a person has the desire and knowledge to break into your home. My friend just had his front door kicked in with a deadbolt and another lock on it. He thought they were secure, but learned a hard lesson. He has children. Maybe I should tell him that he is grossly negligent and reckless since one of his children had been home the day before alone due to illness. Here we considered them to be extremely lucky and thankful she wasn't there.

To my knowledge, Ronald or Misty NEVER left the children in the home unattended. If you have such proof...please post it.

Nobody knows if those children were ever left unattended unless you know them personally and hung out with them day to day. No one will ever admit if they did, but the Key person needs to if in fact she was not there for Haleigh's sake.
I noticed talk about the door again, the only other thing I can think of wether Misty was there or not later that night is that someone was already in that home hiding when those doors were locked down.
If they were already in that home there would be no forced entry because of course they could just unlock the door from the inside...JMO of course