Ron C. # 11

[Busylady]

The thing with the door that bothers me is they took it after they released the mobile home. Many many people had been thru that home at that point it was no longer under the control of LE. How are they gonna rule out all those fingerprints? Did they go to the media and ask everyone to have their prints so they could compare, how about all the media crews as well as anyone else that could of come and gone. I don't understanding them waiting to remove the screen door, seems that would of been an obvious thing to take from day one.

:waitasec: You just made me think of something. I had asked this regarding the van and why it was turned back over and was told that it had to be even if something was found but could not be connected to the crime.
So, my question is this. If LE has the door in possession and other that means they do have something connected to the crime. Now, what type of crime? This case is so puzzling.
I just wish Haleigh would be found already, this is just heart breaking for this child to be lost out there.

 

[elle1919]

Well what I posted earlier PCSO states from their press release "At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger." Your (no direct) quote from a reporter's LE interpretation of says it is possible.

Definition Time:

Minimized - To reduce to the smallest possible amount, extent, size, or degree.
Possible - Capable of happening, existing, or being true without contradicting proven facts, laws, or circumstances.

You asked what does that mean; you can draw your own conclusion. :waitasec:

Once again, thank you for the definitions. I know what "minimized" and "possible" means. However I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
I was discussing the information about DNA found at this link:http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/08/investigators-pull-back-the-cu.html which I posted on a different thread last week. My point was that LE had stated that one of the theory's they were working off of was that Haleigh was not abducted by a stranger...that was contradictory to the statement at above link(direct quote)...that because of DNA found in the home there is still a small chance that Haleigh was abducted by a stranger....Two different theories. However, I really do take into account the fact that since the early days of this case the media and their interpretation of the events has not been 100% reliable so perhaps it was the reporting that was off and not the statements.

 

[Dee10]

Once again, thank you for the definitions. I know what "minimized" and "possible" means. However I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
I was discussing the information about DNA found at this link:http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/08/investigators-pull-back-the-cu.html which I posted on a different thread last week. My point was that LE had stated that one of the theory's they were working off of was that Haleigh was not abducted by a stranger...that was contradictory to the statement at above link(direct quote)...that because of DNA found in the home there is still a small chance that Haleigh was abducted by a stranger....Two different theories. However, I really do take into account the fact that since the early days of this case the media and their interpretation of the events has not been 100% reliable so perhaps it was the reporting that was off and not the statements.

Hi:

It IS still confusing. I agree the police seem to be working on the theory she was not abducted by a stranger and they have minimized the possibility of it being a stranger. But if Misty was not home and had left the children alone with the front door open, then perhaps that is one reason they can't eliminate a stranger as a fact.

 

[Flossie JMO]

The thing with the door that bothers me is they took it after they released the mobile home. Many many people had been thru that home at that point it was no longer under the control of LE. How are they gonna rule out all those fingerprints? Did they go to the media and ask everyone to have their prints so they could compare, how about all the media crews as well as anyone else that could of come and gone. I don't understanding them waiting to remove the screen door, seems that would of been an obvious thing to take from day one.

ITA, iirc TJ Hart has said a few times that his prints will definitely be on it.

 

[badme102]

I really don't think LE took the screen door for fingerprints when they took it. I have total faith in them that they fingerprinted everywhere and everything in that MH within hours of this crime. Remember when we discussed the fingerprint powder for weeks?
I believe they took the door for a totally different purpose. I have faith that LE knows exactly what they are doing and why.

 

[lil momma]

I really don't think LE took the screen door for fingerprints when they took it. I have total faith in them that they fingerprinted everywhere and everything in that MH within hours of this crime. Remember when we discussed the fingerprint powder for weeks?
I believe they took the door for a totally different purpose. I have faith that LE knows exactly what they are doing and why.

BBM

ITA badme102:

I think the door was taken for the purpose of the brick being up against it. Something that is that rough, would leave a mark on the aluminum, maybe not the first time it makes contact, but "if" that brick was used to hold the door open before, there will be scratches on it, or evidence showing that something had been used before to prop open that door... (hence, throwing out MC & RC account of never using the door and that the door has been prop open before with something of like kinda and quality)

ALL MY OPINION

 

[Malesherbes]

Maybe they took it to use it at trial?

 

[cuppy199]

I really don't think LE took the screen door for fingerprints when they took it. I have total faith in them that they fingerprinted everywhere and everything in that MH within hours of this crime. Remember when we discussed the fingerprint powder for weeks?
I believe they took the door for a totally different purpose. I have faith that LE knows exactly what they are doing and why.

I agree with you on the fingerprints Regardless of what the door was taking for it was after the fact so even if they did find something they would have a hard time proving it or bring it into evidence if in fact it came to that. Once they let that crime scene go proving anything with that door is worthless IMO.

 

[Shelby77]

I totally disagree, I will take TJ Hart's word that it was the inside door. Of course LE would test the lock to see IF it was "bumped" as Ron suggested! How would you know one way or the other IF they still had the lock or not for evidence? Remember it is not just PCSO involved it is also the FBI, give me a break. As I mentioned I am thankful it was a new; almost pristine lock as it should be very easy to tell & eliminate any possible previous tenant problems. This also could be just one of the reasons police say "At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger." Makes sense to me.

LOL. You can take TJ Hart's word for whatever you like, but it may be useful to you to take the time to review the entire forum we have here for HaLeigh. There are a variety of threads, all filled with useful information.
Somewhere within these threads, are photos of the mobilehome, with the back screen door removed. IIRC, these were pics taken after LE removed the door. I'm sure there were also numerous discussions and articles related to the door also and which one it was, back when it was removed.

There were many instances in this case where the media mixed things up, so it may not be the best idea to focus on only one source, as they may be incorrect. If you have trouble finding the door info to confirm it, let me know, and I'll help you look for it

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Media reports it was the screen door taken - in addition to the photos of the mobile home show the screen door missing not the other door. So I have to go with the multiple media sources and the photo indicating it was the screen door taken.

I would also think LE would of taken the toddler mattress that Haleigh was sleeping on as well as any blankets, sheets, pillow cases or toys in the beds for testing. It could be very possible that the toddler bed on the floor for the walk thru was JRs mattress from his bedroom so people could get a visual of where the mattress was on the floor.

Didn't we see photos of Haleigh's room and the mattress wasn't there?

It was the screen door without a doubt that was taken in by LE.

 

[Skully]

BBM

ITA badme102:

I think the door was taken for the purpose of the brick being up against it. Something that is that rough, would leave a mark on the aluminum, maybe not the first time it makes contact, but "if" that brick was used to hold the door open before, there will be scratches on it, or evidence showing that something had been used before to prop open that door... (hence, throwing out MC & RC account of never using the door and that the door has been prop open before with something of like kinda and quality)

ALL MY OPINION

I said the same thing, the brick will leave marks on that screen door and some traces of cement or sand, and show if it was bricked one time or repeatedly. Every thing leave a history. Even where the brick layed if it was there for long period of time, like weeks, not just one night. If they smoked out back there will be butts. The trash was out back, I still wonder if that was trash night, did someone take the trash out that door and not lock it? LE knows the story here, and it was the screen door they took.

 

[badme102]

I agree with you on the fingerprints Regardless of what the door was taking for it was after the fact so even if they did find something they would have a hard time proving it or bring it into evidence if in fact it came to that. Once they let that crime scene go proving anything with that door is worthless IMO.

I totally agree with you to a point, Cuppy. We just don't know the reason why they took the door just yet. You are absolutely correct, however, if they were trying to find some sort of evidence that they couldn't possibly prove "when" it was placed/marked on the door.

They could have taken it for several reasons that we just haven't thought of or talked about yet and we just won't know what that could be until it is released. (if ever)....

It could be something as simple as trying to recreate the alleged scenario that Misty and Ron said happened. (bricking the door)

 

[Dee10]

LOL. You can take TJ Hart's word for whatever you like, but it may be useful to you to take the time to review the entire forum we have here for HaLeigh. There are a variety of threads, all filled with useful information.
Somewhere within these threads, are photos of the mobilehome, with the back screen door removed. IIRC, these were pics taken after LE removed the door. I'm sure there were also numerous discussions and articles related to the door also and which one it was, back when it was removed.

There were many instances in this case where the media mixed things up, so it may not be the best idea to focus on only one source, as they may be incorrect. If you have trouble finding the door info to confirm it, let me know, and I'll help you look for it

I am going to assume by your "LOL." you were not laughing at me or my post. Is it possible both doors and the inside door was replaced as it would have to keep people out? I have found a number of articles that refer to, the "back" door but not to a "screen door" so yes I would appreciate a link or help with that one. Also found "the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared," but it wasn't it proven that both doors had to be propped for Misty to say the doors were wide open. Yes I believe everyone there is a picture of the screen door removed, but as mentioned if they removed the inside door too it would have had to have been replaced or boarded up. I am confused as I haven't seen TJ Hart make a mistake yet. So I would appreciate any links, but maybe this isn't the proper thread. :blowkiss:

 

[Shelby77]

I am going to assume by your "LOL." you were not laughing at me or my post. Is it possible both doors and the inside door was replaced as it would have to keep people out? I have found a number of articles that refer to, the "back" door but not to a "screen door" so yes I would appreciate a link or help with that one. Also found "the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared," but it wasn't it proven that both doors had to be propped for Misty to say the doors were wide open. Yes I believe everyone there is a picture of the screen door removed, but as mentioned if they removed the inside door too it would have had to have been replaced or boarded up. I am confused as I haven't seen TJ Hart make a mistake yet. So I would appreciate any links, but maybe this isn't the proper thread. :blowkiss:

No, I'm sorry I did not mean that to be laughing at your or your post, although now re-reading it I can see how it may be viewed that way. It just gets so tense here that I've been making an effort to make my posts as light and usually polite as I can, so it's not taken as snarky when I don't mean it to be. Guess that kinda backfired, huh? LOL <--laughing at myself

You do bring up a point, I had not considered they'd take both and then replace the main one. Seems to me though, that if they took more than one, we would have read "doors" and not "door" in at least one media report.
And where you read it the door that had been propped open, well the screen door is the one that was confirmed to be propped open with the cinderblock (or "bricked"). IIRC, the main door was ajar approx. 6 inches, but no mention of that one being "propped" (although I've wondered if the laundry on the floor kept it open as TN stated there was usually (or was it always) laundry on the floor there.
I'll go look and see what I can find to help confirm :blowkiss:

 

[imikant]

RE: Assault and Battery

I will wait until all the witness statements from both sides in both situations come out before considering anyone guilty of anything.

I agree 100% and would add that I am interested in hearing about the phone records as well.

It is not uncommon for a woman to call law enforcement or family members when she is feeling threatened, yet suddenly change her mind when help arrives.

 

[Shelby77]

I am going to assume by your "LOL." you were not laughing at me or my post. Is it possible both doors and the inside door was replaced as it would have to keep people out? I have found a number of articles that refer to, the "back" door but not to a "screen door" so yes I would appreciate a link or help with that one. Also found "the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared," but it wasn't it proven that both doors had to be propped for Misty to say the doors were wide open. Yes I believe everyone there is a picture of the screen door removed, but as mentioned if they removed the inside door too it would have had to have been replaced or boarded up. I am confused as I haven't seen TJ Hart make a mistake yet. So I would appreciate any links, but maybe this isn't the proper thread. :blowkiss:

Sorry for the O/T, but don't know where else to post it

Here ya go Dee, I found an article that confirms it was the screen door here

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...sing_girl_no_new_leads_but_wedding_bells_ring

If the link doesn't show, it's Post 393 in the Media thread...
Hope that helps some

ETA: It's the last paragraph at the end..

 

[Dee10]

No, I'm sorry I did not mean that to be laughing at your or your post, although now re-reading it I can see how it may be viewed that way. It just gets so tense here that I've been making an effort to make my posts as light and usually polite as I can, so it's not taken as snarky when I don't mean it to be. Guess that kinda backfired, huh? LOL <--laughing at myself

You do bring up a point, I had not considered they'd take both and then replace the main one. Seems to me though, that if they took more than one, we would have read "doors" and not "door" in at least one media report.
And where you read it the door that had been propped open, well the screen door is the one that was confirmed to be propped open with the cinderblock (or "bricked"). IIRC, the main door was ajar approx. 6 inches, but no mention of that one being "propped" (although I've wondered if the laundry on the floor kept it open as TN stated there was usually (or was it always) laundry on the floor there.
I'll go look and see what I can find to help confirm :blowkiss:

Thanks for explaining the LOL lol! Yes the I agree, everything I have found is singular as well. I am going to replay the interview with TJ which was last Tues. & see if he may have gathered additional information since the door was taken...relisten anyway lol. Haleigh Cummings &#8211; Radio Wrap Up &#8211; Aug/16 http://www.***********.net/121920. This was a special interview with just TJ interviewed by Simon & the door was mentioned a number of time in different places over the 45 mins. To support Misty's (doors wide open) version, both doors had to be open and the inside door propped in some way as per Marleina's (NG) demonstration. It would make sense that LE would test the deadbolt to see if it was bumped as Ron mentioned. I know they can test for this but I don't know if taking the lock off the door could/would do any damage to their tests. I appreciate yours or anyone else's help.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The thing with the door that bothers me is they took it after they released the mobile home. Many many people had been thru that home at that point it was no longer under the control of LE. How are they gonna rule out all those fingerprints? Did they go to the media and ask everyone to have their prints so they could compare, how about all the media crews as well as anyone else that could of come and gone. I don't understanding them waiting to remove the screen door, seems that would of been an obvious thing to take from day one.

This to bothered me and just did not make sense. I am sure the FBI and LE have their way of getting all the prints needed, but if and when this case goes to trial the door will be an issue "IMO". The only thing that I could think of would be that they left the door there after it was fully analyzed and clean of finger prints. Maybe to see if someone came in after or during it was on lock down that should not of had their prints on the door. But it made no sense then and still now It makes no sense. But I will put my faith in LE and the FBI, they do make mistakes and I pray this is not one of them.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Great point Cuppy, Jr. was questioned by a professional and likely video taped, as that standard procedure for young children. It is very possible this video could be part of the "physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities" that PCSO mentions. I bolded the "s" as it indicates more than one piece of evidence IMO.

You are so inside my head.... And add to this Crystal HAVING to petition the court to get counseling for this little boy--a picture does start to emerge. ALL JMO

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Media reports it was the screen door taken - in addition to the photos of the mobile home show the screen door missing not the other door. So I have to go with the multiple media sources and the photo indicating it was the screen door taken.

I would also think LE would of taken the toddler mattress that Haleigh was sleeping on as well as any blankets, sheets, pillow cases or toys in the beds for testing. It could be very possible that the toddler bed on the floor for the walk thru was JRs mattress from his bedroom so people could get a visual of where the mattress was on the floor.

But, Busy--where I remain confused is Ron stating that Haleigh was taken from his bed--not the toddler bed..:waitasec: I think LE was misled by the occupants of that mobile home from the start....JMO