Ron C. # 12

[Whisperer]

Well, that statement by Shoemaker is interesting. If LE cleared him he would be shouting it to the world not standing on and saying what he believes LE may have meant. I bet LE did not use the words "the list" either. That is Lawyereeze for "getting my client a better profile".

IOW, LE has no idea how long he was at work. They have given him credit for giving an alibi but they cannot confirm it....or they would have done so...IMO.

IIRC, at one time LE said they were satisfied with eight hours of his alibi. That leaves four hours that have not been explained.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Are you forgetting that Ron was at work that night and LE have verified it?
He has been cleared because he was at work. If anyone put Haleigh in the river it wasn't Ron. He might not have been the perfect father/person and might have been into his share of trouble throughout the years but I don't believe for a second that he would have done anything to hurt Haleigh. His grief is real and so are his tears. I've been there myself and all I have to do is look in Ron's eyes and see the grief there and you can't fake that.

He is divorcing Misty. Maybe by marrying her he thought she would tell him what she knows if anything that she isn't telling. That didn't work but I believe as time has gone by and polys have failed he has really started to doubt everything she has said. I think that is why he is divorcing Misty. I didn't believe his reasoning when he was on Nancy Grace but then why should his reasons for getting the divorce be any of the business of the world.
That should be Ron's business....not ours. If they were just divorcing because they are stared at or talked about everywhere they go but might get together again later...they would just seperate for awhile and not divorce.
A divorce is final. I think that Ron wanted to believe Misty but after failing so many polys a person would be bound to start to doubt.

Dear Bobbi, you are giving Ron too much credit. He never cared if she told him anything, he already knows everything she knows. He married her to avoid a criminal charge of sex with a minor on his mother's orders. Now that things are getting so lucrative Ron and Mom have decided to cut her loose in the money sense. But, I don't think Ron is really tired of her yet so hes keeping her hanging on. A divorce means she can get none of Ron's money.

Bobbi, it has been clearly stated on these posts that Ron is NOT CLEARED. None of us have the whole story.

 

[Whisperer]

Oh yes, Ron did indeed marry her to avoid Statutory Rape. He was facing about 22 years, if convicted....that is a big motivator to wed. This was yet another choice he made to keep himself looking good in the public eyes....if nothing else he seems to be aware of when people are out to get him.

This is one smart cookie who knows how to jostle the system in favor of himself.

 

[annkitty0630]

Are you truly kidding me????

 

[annkitty0630]

Well, that statement by Shoemaker is interesting. If LE cleared him he would be shouting it to the world not standing on and saying what he believes LE may have meant. I bet LE did not use the words "the list" either. That is Lawyereeze for "getting my client a better profile".

IOW, LE has no idea how long he was at work. They have given him credit for giving an alibi but they cannot confirm it....or they would have done so...IMO.

IIRC, at one time LE said they were satisfied with eight hours of his alibi. That leaves four hours that have not been explained.

Just me guys, however, I still don't understand why a gentleman of Ron's age would ever marry a little child???? What truly is the cover up that we all don't know??? Why is she running??? Why is he "FINALLY" waking up to the law that his precious little baby girl is missing??? So many questions, and no answers!!??? God Bless and Love to All!!:waitasec::twocents::angel:

 

[Frost]

Today's Maury Show - No Ron.

Hi Patty,

Hopefully the following will help.

The Maury Povitch show pertaining to Missing Children will air on Oct 22nd, at 1 p.m. ET.

http://ow.ly/tt9o

 

[metalcrystal]

Meow, my dear, I think getting tattoos is a bad thing too. I realize that good, naive people get tattoos, but the fact is that when I see someone with tattoos down their neck, up their leg, etc. I automatically think thats not the kind of people I want to associate with. Now, I know you will say I am wrong, and thats ok. I think the age and area a person lives in determines their outlook on tattoos. Around here, people that fight pit bulls,
stay in criminal court are generally the ones who have them. When I saw Ron's tattoos, I said uh huh, thats what I thought, hes pretty darn ignorant and has no ability to discern anything. But, its just my opinion and I'm an old lady.

If you do not want to associate with tattooed people that is of course your right. But do you see how judgemental and offensive your post is to tattooed people? I am heavily tattooed and am not naive, a criminal or an animal abuser. Are you serious that you judged Ron because of the way he looks. I am sorry I dont want to be unkind. But if you understand that people in other areas may think differently, perhaps some opinions should not be posted on a public message board, if they hurt others. I don't know why there is so much intolerance and rush to judgement on these particular threads.

 

[PorcineGranny]

If you do not want to associate with tattooed people that is of course your right. But do you see how judgemental and offensive your post is to tattooed people? I am heavily tattooed and am not naive, a criminal or an animal abuser. Are you serious that you judged Ron because of the way he looks. I am sorry I dont want to be unkind. But if you understand that people in other areas may think differently, perhaps some opinions should not be posted on a public message board, if they hurt others. I don't know why there is so much intolerance and rush to judgement on these particular threads.

Metal, sorry if you are offended, but and I said there would be those who would disagree and its ok. It shouldn't offend anyone to be told that anothers opinion is not the same as theirs. I feel strongly about tattoos, as do you. I don't have any, you do. Why can't I say that yes, I think its wrong to get em? Do you ever watch "Gangland" on TV and hear what they say about the tattoos. Plus, I live my opinions, I do not allow my children to have tattoos. Please don't be offended over something like this, Meow asked a question, I answered it, its my opinion, it matters not in the world or the scheme of the world and no one will remember it by tomorrow. JMO

Metal I want you to remember this, no one can hurt or offend you unless you allow them to. Did I form an opinion about Ron based on his tattoos, well, yes I did when I first saw him and its the same opinion other people have when they see someone who has tattoes like this. Am I biased and unfair in some of my opinions? Yes, I am, I try to be fair, but somethings just stand out. I don't want you to place any value in whether I like tattoes or not, makes no difference, I enjoy your posts.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Metal, sorry if you are offended, but and I said there would be those who would disagree and its ok. It shouldn't offend anyone to be told that anothers opinion is not the same as theirs. I feel strongly about tattoos, as do you. I don't have any, you do. Why can't I say that yes, I think its wrong to get em? Do you ever watch "Gangland" on TV and hear what they say about the tattoos. Plus, I live my opinions, I do not allow my children to have tattoos. Please don't be offended over something like this, Meow asked a question, I answered it, its my opinion, it matters not in the world or the scheme of the world and no one will remember it by tomorrow. JMO

Metal I want you to remember this, no one can hurt or offend you unless you allow them to. Did I form an opinion about Ron based on his tattoos, well, yes I did when I first saw him and its the same opinion other people have when they see someone who has tattoes like this. Am I biased and unfair in some of my opinions? Yes, I am, I try to be fair, but somethings just stand out. I don't want you to place any value in whether I like tattoes or not, makes no difference, I enjoy your posts.

PorcineGranny, I understand just what you mean and I have been guilty of it myself at times. I also understand where metalcrystal is coming from because I am an child of the early 70's where everything I said, did, wore was frowned upon by a lot of folk of an older generation that thought we were heathens, a disgrace...you get the picture, lol. ... We just happen to be the 'older generation' now and times are a changin' , just like they did so many years ago,...the good ol' days imvho ... ..

 

[metalcrystal]

Metal, sorry if you are offended, but and I said there would be those who would disagree and its ok. It shouldn't offend anyone to be told that anothers opinion is not the same as theirs. I feel strongly about tattoos, as do you. I don't have any, you do. Why can't I say that yes, I think its wrong to get em? Do you ever watch "Gangland" on TV and hear what they say about the tattoos. Plus, I live my opinions, I do not allow my children to have tattoos. Please don't be offended over something like this, Meow asked a question, I answered it, its my opinion, it matters not in the world or the scheme of the world and no one will remember it by tomorrow. JMO

Metal I want you to remember this, no one can hurt or offend you unless you allow them to. Did I form an opinion about Ron based on his tattoos, well, yes I did when I first saw him and its the same opinion other people have when they see someone who has tattoes like this. Am I biased and unfair in some of my opinions? Yes, I am, I try to be fair, but somethings just stand out. I don't want you to place any value in whether I like tattoes or not, makes no difference, I enjoy your posts.

PG you can say whatever you want, that is your right. But this is a very personal thing, and you are correct you are being unfair. A lot of people live narrow limited lives that way. You look at me and think you don't like how I look. I am not like you, so you dismiss me. So you will never get to know me, and wouldn't want to be my friend. Yet here we are, completely different, yet sharing an interest in the sad story of Haileigh Cummings. So maybe we aren't so very different in some ways.
As far as " not allowing people to hurt you" , that is some kind of pop psychology to me. Of course it hurts when people judge you you by the way you look. That is human nature. I won't make choices because people might judge me, but it does make me sad when they do. We will miss out on the experience of knowing one another.

 

[Pondering Mind]

PG you can say whatever you want, that is your right. But this is a very personal thing, and you are correct you are being unfair. A lot of people live narrow limited lives that way. You look at me and think you don't like how I look. I am not like you, so you dismiss me. So you will never get to know me, and wouldn't want to be my friend. Yet here we are, completely different, yet sharing an interest in the sad story of Haileigh Cummings. So maybe we aren't so very different in some ways.
As far as " not allowing people to hurt you" , that is some kind of pop psychology to me. Of course it hurts when people judge you you by the way you look. That is human nature. I won't make choices because people might judge me, but it does make me sad when they do. We will miss out on the experience of knowing one another.

O/T-metalcrystal, I have actually wanted a very small tat for a long time (something that is personal and near and dear to my heart) but it took me quite a while to understand (ok~semi-understand :crazy why anyone would want the sleeves/half sleeve, full body, etc......anyway times are a changin' and we all have our own personal choices that we make in life and that's what makes us each unique.

Anyway as to the last line of your post bbm~....I have a wonderful daughter in law (mommy to my youngest granddaughter :nluv: that's as beautiful inside as well as out...even with her 1/2 sleeve tat!

 

[redwine81]

Oh yes, Ron did indeed marry her to avoid Statutory Rape. He was facing about 22 years, if convicted....that is a big motivator to wed. This was yet another choice he made to keep himself looking good in the public eyes....if nothing else he seems to be aware of when people are out to get him.

This is one smart cookie who knows how to jostle the system in favor of himself.

I agree.
He has had a great teacher, who better than Mom? She taught him well.

JMO

 

[metalcrystal]

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O/T-metalcrystal, I have actually wanted a very small tat for a long time (something that is personal and near and dear to my heart) but it took me quite a while to understand (ok~semi-understand :crazy why anyone would want the sleeves/half sleeve, full body, etc......anyway times are a changin' and we all have our own personal choices that we make in life and that's what makes us each unique.

Anyway as to the last line of your post bbm~....I have a wonderful daughter in law (mommy to my youngest granddaughter :nluv: that's as beautiful inside as well as out...even with her 1/2 sleeve tat!

You know, PM, almost all tattoos are precious and dear to the hearts of those who wear them. Sometimes they say things we have no words to express.
Sorry we hijacked this thread last night! It was very late and there were hardly any posters around. PG and I have had some great exchanges and worked on our differences. I wish more people on this board were as cool as she is.
Please, forgive us for getting O/T.

 

[MeoW333]

Meow, my dear, I think getting tattoos is a bad thing too. I realize that good, naive people get tattoos, but the fact is that when I see someone with tattoos down their neck, up their leg, etc. I automatically think thats not the kind of people I want to associate with. Now, I know you will say I am wrong, and thats ok. I think the age and area a person lives in determines their outlook on tattoos. Around here, people that fight pit bulls,
stay in criminal court are generally the ones who have them. When I saw Ron's tattoos, I said uh huh, thats what I thought, hes pretty darn ignorant and has no ability to discern anything. But, its just my opinion and I'm an old lady.

Hi PorcineGranny, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. MetalCrystal answered this very well, so i don't have much to add.

I still respect you and wouldn't judge you even if you were to judge me on my ton of tattoos :blowkiss: i understand that you may be from a different school of thought about them, and yes it is true that a lot of gang members do have tattoos, many more people who are not gang members have tattoos as well! Different gangs usually stick to their own certain types of "gang tattoos" that which normal people wouldn't necessarily have on them. It is hard to tell, the best way is no to judge on appearance.
It's also a different generation type thing.
So many different types of people have tattoos nowadays; it is best to judge the individual, and not by how they look. There is always going to be some bad apples in every bunch. Some good people have tattoos, some don't, as with everything else.

Sometimes you never know, you could have a heavily tattooed person who saves your life from an individual who has no tattoos and is wearing a business suit. (as an example)

I don't judge on appearances, it would be wrong in my mind.
People's bodies are their outside shell, as they hold what is inside that counts the most, the heart and mind!
My mother on the otherhand, she doesn't like me having tattoos, yet my grandmother who is 94 years old accepts me and my tattoos and doesn't judge me!

 

[Malesherbes]

I agree.
He has had a great teacher, who better than Mom? She taught him well.

JMO

And instead of everyone classing up, and really being there for Haleigh, instead of Ron and Haleighs MOM, on Maury- we have TN, she shouldn't have been there, Haleigh was not her bio child- its just so wrong the way they are going about all this-

jmo

 

[metalcrystal]

It is apparent that Ron and his mother are enmeshed in one anothers lives. A man Ron's age can be close to his mom and others in his family of origin, but she is making statements for him on national television. JMO but he is plenty old enough to handle things on his own. She really does remind me of Cindy Anthony.

 

[MeoW333]

I know Rons lawyer said the LE cannot clear him unless they were with him all night- to me that says- there is not a camera at PDM that accounts for his every movement from that night, and that concerns me-

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html


jmo

To move Ron to the bottom of list pretty much says a lot.
Ron may have a temper, he may have threatened Misty to get information out, he's got a record, got arrested for hitting Misty's family, however i don't think he is directly responsible (as in 1st degree murder) of what happened to Haleigh.

LE may be going by different degrees of suspicion (worded something like that at)
Say if Misty had given Haleigh pills to get her to sleep to go party, it may have been Ron and Misty's illegal pills that Misty gave to her. Ron may be guilty in the sense he let a drug addicted teenager watch his kids, however Ron himself isn't responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, he didn't harm her by his own hand.
Please let me know if i explained this alright, if not i'll try a better attempt
It sounds as if LE is satisfied that Ron was at work when he says he was.

At this point, i think Ron's lawyers have been coaching him on how to answer things, act, etc so that he does not make himself look bad (by getting into fights). When we seen Ron on NG, he wasn't finger pointing or talking bad. He seemed to be answering scripted, as if his lawyers had advised him.

 

[kiki the parrot]

To move Ron to the bottom of list pretty much says a lot.
Ron may have a temper, he may have threatened Misty to get information out, he's got a record, got arrested for hitting Misty's family, however i don't think he is directly responsible (as in 1st degree murder) of what happened to Haleigh.

LE may be going by different degrees of suspicion (worded something like that at)
Say if Misty had given Haleigh pills to get her to sleep to go party, it may have been Ron and Misty's illegal pills that Misty gave to her. Ron may be guilty in the sense he let a drug addicted teenager watch his kids, however Ron himself isn't responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, he didn't harm her by his own hand.
Please let me know if i explained this alright, if not i'll try a better attempt
It sounds as if LE is satisfied that Ron was at work when he says he was.

At this point, i think Ron's lawyers have been coaching him on how to answer things, act, etc so that he does not make himself look bad (by getting into fights). When we seen Ron on NG, he wasn't finger pointing or talking bad. He seemed to be answering scripted, as if his lawyers had advised him.

(bbm) It is child endangerment not only to leave a child (in the eg you gave) in the care of an irresponsible caregiver under the influence eg, but for any parent (or caregiver) even to possess (use or sell) the illegal pills you mention.

IOW if Haleigh were to have ingested pills, on the watch of his appointed caregiver, which RC himself (or MC) possessed, this would be further child endangering.

"Additionally, it considered child endangerment in most U.S. jurisdictions to leave a child in the care of a person who is visibly intoxicated. Child endangerment laws also bar parents and caregivers from using, selling, or possessing illegal drugs in the presence of a minor."

http://www.ehow.com/about_5412537_child-endangerment-laws.html

arrot:

 

[MeoW333]

(bbm) It is child endangerment not only to leave a child (in the eg you gave) in the care of an irresponsible caregiver under the influence eg, but for any parent (or caregiver) even to possess (use or sell) the illegal pills you mention.

IOW if Haleigh were to have ingested pills, on the watch of his appointed caregiver, which RC himself (or MC) possessed, this would be further child endangering.

"Additionally, it considered child endangerment in most U.S. jurisdictions to leave a child in the care of a person who is visibly intoxicated. Child endangerment laws also bar parents and caregivers from using, selling, or possessing illegal drugs in the presence of a minor."

http://www.ehow.com/about_5412537_child-endangerment-laws.html

arrot:

I agree with what you are saying, Kiki.
What i meant was if Ron had given Haleigh pills himself (by his own hand) to get her to sleep so he could go out and party, as opposed to if Misty had done that and what the intentions exactly where.
Say, to get her to sleep to go out and party or
to kill her or cause serious harm.

No doubt they are both guilty of things. I wouldn't think that if someone was looking for a babysitter for their children, they would purposely put them in the hands of a murderer. That is what i mean by degrees of suspicion

 

[stilettos]

I do not necessarily judge a person for a tattoo. I do however, find it a trifle strange to have an ornate scripted given name for your Mother tattooed on your chest.

I have many friends with tattoos...and many fellow church members that are tattooed, eyebrow, lip and earring plated and pierced. It is not so much about the ink...it is the style, type and person referenced with the ink in addition to the other behaviors surrounding the person referenced. God bless the tattooed and non-tattooed. I don't have them, but my friends do not hold that against me.