Ron C. # 12

[curvecuti]

I'm sure that Ron's family members love him and think he's the bee's knees. I hope that you do not really mean to suggest that posters who try and remain open minded on this forum and try to disregard rumors, gossip, and innuendo all "love Ron"! Many posters are trying to get to the truth and, while they may feel that Ron has many problems, sincerely do not believe that he has shown a high enough degree of suspicious behavior to have been involved in this crime. Instead, since he is Haleigh's father, he, as well as Crystal, deserves a great deal of sympathy.

This "Ron Love" is a convienent excuse to belittle other's opinions and posts on this case. It is crass and insulting, and flung out at any and every opportunity. I would like to be able to discuss the case, even with those that hold the viewpoint that Ron killed Haleigh, but it is impossible for me to discuss something w/ the constant barrage of posts to insinuate that if you don't hold that particular opinion you are stupid, or not able to use logic, or don't understand the court system, or you are making excuses, or that you are in love with Ron. I have seen a few posts on the Ron theory that I would have liked to delve into further but unfortunately is was/is impossible for me to ask a simple question w/o the post being berated. MOO.

 

[Flossie JMO]

She says it by her non actions by not moving the court to change the custody order. Whatever caused the Judge to rule against custody for Crystal, years have passed now and those problems that the court found to be against Crystal could have and should have been corrected by now. Hence, asking the court to re-visit the custody issue of at least ruling for joint custody if not full custody.

Any court will entertain a bio parents motions to move the court concerning a child issue as many times as the bio parent desires, as that's what their job is, to handle and settle disputes between family.

If Crystal was objecting to Ron having custody, I'm sure it would be on the news circuit with those reporters who follow the case. Wouldn't cost her a dime, probably would even get paid to give such an interview to some media for her person to person contact. It's not an issue for me, it appears both bio parents are settled on the matter, so good for them.

JMO I don't think she wants primary custody, and I also think that the judges would not award it to her.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Ron knew Crystal was about to be taken to court for CS- thats why he got a job after 3 years of doing nothing, he had to show the court he had a job so he could keep his kids, imo- I almost wonder if he directly is involved with Haleighs disappearance and no one but him knows what happened to her and he took advantage of Misty in her basically comatose sleep, maybe he thought having a missing child would make Crystal not fight him for custody or something-jmo

bbm ~ Is there a link available to verify how you arrived at this opinion in this post, as their made frequently and the suggested charges in this statement are seriously accusatory in content? I've never read or seen this information before and would like to validate why you have this opinion, if it's not a fact coming out from the case itself.

 

[Malesherbes]

bbm ~ Is there a link available to verify how you arrived at this opinion in this post, as their made frequently and the suggested charges in this statement are seriously accusatory in content? I've never read or seen this information before and would like to validate why you have this opinion, if it's not a fact coming out from the case itself.

I have a right to think for myself, so I dont need to provide you a link to my opinions, and as you can clearly see on my post, I put it as my opinion, TY-

 

[PorcineGranny]

well, I've seen the opinion before, and all I could think of is that I would need a stiff drink and be comatose before I could consider Ron "dreamy". my opinion only.

 

[kamky]

Oh honestly, I have read stuff from posters who defend Ron as if he was one of their own, and I have read stuff like he is so hot, and gorgeous and has a great body, and when I read stuff like that from some of his die hard supporters, its hard not to be jaded and think, are they here for Haleigh, or because Ron is a dreamboat?

Ron would have gotten sympathy from a lot of people, but Ron actually went months not even calling the LE to see the status of Haleighs case- I mean right then and there, its hinky, and I think he knows exactly where Haleigh is- Then on top of all his drug arrests and having sex with a child, no, no sympathy from me- He in my opinion has cast Haleigh aside and is covering his rear end to spare his life outside of a prison-

jmo

I personally have missed all those posts that state that Ron is "so hot, and gorgeous and has a great body" and is "a dreamboat"! It has never occurred to me to think of him in any terms but the father of a missing little girl.

We each have a choice of whether or not to be jaded, and I don't want to be, because it's non-productive. It's hard sometimes not to let our emotions take precedence, but if we are to help at all with this case, we must try and focus on the facts (few that we have). As time goes on, we have had more concrete information, such as arrests and statements by family mambers and associates, and may be able to gain more insight.

I don't know for a fact that Ron went for months and months without contacting LE and whether this is true for his entire family or not. We only know that he has made some statements about not getting information fron LE and that he was frustrated about this. For all we know, he may have made a public statement in frustration that he was upset with LE and yet may have talked to them behind the scenes the next day. LE is being very, very close-mouthed about this case and that's why we have so many false rumors. I'm sure that you know this as well as I do, Mal.

 

[atherella]

Ron knew Crystal was about to be taken to court for CS- thats why he got a job after 3 years of doing nothing, he had to show the court he had a job so he could keep his kids, imo- I almost wonder if he directly is involved with Haleighs disappearance and no one but him knows what happened to her and he took advantage of Misty in her basically comatose sleep, maybe he thought having a missing child would make Crystal not fight him for custody or something-jmo

BBM

Ron received the notice of Contempt - that the DOR was taking Crystal to court for not paying child support the day before HaLeigh went missing. I doubt he had any advance notice since he was not the one filing the paperwork and for 3 years they had failed to do anything about the lack of payments.

Ron had just finished his probationary period at PDM - which is 3 months. Given that Ron got his notice one day before HaLeigh went missing, and had been at PDM for over 3 months, I fail to see what one has to do with the other.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

 

[Malesherbes]

I don't know for a fact that Ron went for months and months without contacting LE and whether this is true for his entire family or not. We only know that he has made some statements about not getting information fron LE and that he was frustrated about this. For all we know, he may have made a public statement in frustration that he was upset with LE and yet may have talked to them behind the scenes the next day. LE is being very, very close-mouthed about this case and that's why we have so many false rumors. I'm sure that you know this as well as I do, Mal.

Right, but Ron said he went months without calling the cops, and that really bugs me-

 

[debs]

PorcineGranny, I am curious if that was seen here at WS forums? TIA

yes. It was. But since outing other posters isn't what we're supposed to be doing, nor are we supposed to be continually attacking posters, I won't be linking them. The poster knows who it is.

I have seen them, others have seen them.

As for Ronald Cummings, have we heard anything his PI may have come up with in her first week on the job?

 

[Malesherbes]

BBM

Ron received the notice of Contempt - that the DOR was taking Crystal to court for not paying child support the day before HaLeigh went missing. I doubt he had any advance notice since he was not the one filing the paperwork and for 3 years they had failed to do anything about the lack of payments.

Ron had just finished his probationary period at PDM - which is 3 months. Given that Ron got his notice one day before HaLeigh went missing, and had been at PDM for over 3 months, I fail to see what one has to do with the other.




http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

Oh, I totally believe Ron knew the child support issue was going to be brought to court, and thats why he got a job so he could prove he was working and obeying the court ruling when he got custody of the kids- Crystal was also calling DCF on Ron at this time, he saw it coming-

jmo

 

[kiki the parrot]

Even where there are and links readily available, some things are better left alone IMO... no really.

pgranny you are too funny :blowkiss:

arrot:

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Oh honestly, I have read stuff from posters who defend Ron as if he was one of their own, and I have read stuff like he is so hot, and gorgeous and has a great body, and when I read stuff like that from some of his die hard supporters, its hard not to be jaded and think, are they here for Haleigh, or because Ron is a dreamboat?

Ron would have gotten sympathy from a lot of people, but Ron actually went months not even calling the LE to see the status of Haleighs case- I mean right then and there, its hinky, and I think he knows exactly where Haleigh is- Then on top of all his drug arrests and having sex with a child, no, no sympathy from me- He in my opinion has cast Haleigh aside and is covering his rear end to spare his life outside of a prison-

jmo

Many family members are told from the get-go that LE will not share information with them. There is no point in calling. They won't tell them anything, even after prosecution. Ask your own local detectives if you don't believe me.

I don't have to think the parent of a missing child is a "dreamboat" to argue against those who would convict him, without evidence, of murder because they don't like his "life style." That doesn't mean that I "defend him as if he is one of [my] own." That means I don't see any evidence that he is guilty in the matter of the disappearance of his daughter. If LE presents evidence of such a thing, I will certainly change my mind.

 

[Whisperer]

[/QUOTE=KOOL LOOK;4397464]That's exactly what is being said about posters. Clearly evident by the posts daily. If Ron is innocent, and for now I'm leaning towards his innocence, it must be hard for him to be right there, have suspicions of who may have possibly taken Haleigh, and have his hands tied by not being able to do anything about it or he would be in trouble with LE. And from what I've been able to gather, Ron and family aren't treated too kindly by LE or given frequent updates to give them hope of resolve one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
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Have you heard the reason LE doesn't take much kindly to the family?

.......wouldn't you consider this behavior on the part of LE odd if they didn't have good reason?

According to the above paragraph, I think you are saying that is may be hard for RC to keep quiet about what he know because he doesn't want to be in trouble with LE. Correct? I don't know where you are going with this thought.

 

[Whisperer]

Oh, I totally believe Ron knew the child support issue was going to be brought to court, and thats why he got a job so he could prove he was working and obeying the court ruling when he got custody of the kids- Crystal was also calling DCF on Ron at this time, he saw it coming-

jmo

Seems like jobs miraculously appear when Custody Court Hearings approach. Then they disappear shortly afterwards.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

[/QUOTE=KOOL LOOK;4397464]That's exactly what is being said about posters. Clearly evident by the posts daily. If Ron is innocent, and for now I'm leaning towards his innocence, it must be hard for him to be right there, have suspicions of who may have possibly taken Haleigh, and have his hands tied by not being able to do anything about it or he would be in trouble with LE. And from what I've been able to gather, Ron and family aren't treated too kindly by LE or given frequent updates to give them hope of resolve one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
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Have you heard the reason LE doesn't take much kindly to the family?

.......wouldn't you consider this behavior on the part of LE odd if they didn't have good reason?

According to the above paragraph, I think you are saying that is may be hard for RC to keep quiet about what he know because he doesn't want to be in trouble with LE. Correct? I don't know where you are going with this thought.

No I haven't heard a reason why LE treats the cummings family the way they do. No excuse to mis-treat anyone, there's always proper professional/acceptable ways in dealing with people, even in the worst of situations.

I'm not insinuating or trying to say anything deeper in what you bolded, it's just a simple statement being what it is. No deeper thoughts, just I think LE could treat the cummings family properly.

 

[debs]

No I haven't heard a reason why LE treats the cummings family the way they do. No excuse to mis-treat anyone, there's always proper professional/acceptable ways in dealing with people, even in the worst of situations.

I'm not insinuating or trying to say anything deeper in what you bolded, it's just a simple statement being what it is. No deeper thoughts, just I think LE could treat the cummings family properly.

I believe PCSO has gone on record many times stating they have had an open door policy and that Ronald or any member of his family were welcome to come in and discuss the case. It has also been noted by PCSO that they had a gap between March and August, even with these repeated invitations, where there was no contact by Ronald et al. It would seem to me that one should not complain when one is invited and does not attend.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

If LE has an "open door policy," my thought that it would be for them to learn something, not the reverse. Even innocent people need to be careful when voluntarily showing up at a police station or sheriff's office. When LE has something to tell a family, they usually initiate the contact, as in "We've arrested someone" or "We've found the body" or "We have new leads." When LE starts talking about not seeing the family, it can be a ploy to push them into interviews, making statements on the record, and more or less submitting to interrogation after interrogation.

Often, when families "push" LE, it curdles the relationship. I am sure you can think of many cases where families' ideas and leads were dismissed (E. Smart); ridiculed and obstructed (Maura Murray case, where LE wrote the father a letter warning against trespass on private property and the father filed a FOI act request and confronted the governor of NH; the Kaitlyn Arquette murder in which the family was publicly ridiculed by LE). Even in a situation in which it is clear that the families aren't involved, there is no guarantee of a decent relationship with LE, and there is never a real "working partnership." If you recall, almost the first thing LE said in this case was that the families should let LE handle the investigation, which is appropriate in a missing child case because the family/families are always looked at, hopefully running parallel to other possible suspects and scenarios (lost child, etc.)

 

[debs]

But we weren't discussing the family handling the investigation. We were talking about the family cooperating with the investigation, and complaining that LE wouldn't tell them anything, all the while staying far far away from March-August....and I'll assume contact has been minimal since then, as well.

 

[kiki the parrot]

But we weren't discussing the family handling the investigation. We were talking about the family cooperating with the investigation, and complaining that LE wouldn't tell them anything, all the while staying far far away from March-August....and I'll assume contact has been minimal since then, as well.

And that's a fact. LE stated they had requested to interview him further, but "which Mr. Cummings declined."

arrot:

 

[elle1919]

And that's a fact. LE stated they had requested to interview him further, but "which Mr. Cummings declined."

arrot:

It is a fact that that in August Law Enforcement wished to interview the parties further. However by my calendar it is early November and there have been a lot of changes in the circumstances. Ronald has met with law Enforcement repeatedly over the past few months and it is no secret that after speaking with LE, among others, he filed for divorce and that divorce has since been made legal and binding. If there is any statements confirming that as of today, or more pointedly, a statement issued after Ronald has concluded his recent meetings with Law Enforcement, please post them to substantiate the claim that Ronald Cummings is NOT being cooperative with Law Enforcement. Thank you!!


ETA...I did take some initiative and look for the statements myself but I was unable to find anything that supported the statement that RC is not cooperating with Law Enforcement.