Ron C. # 12

[kiki the parrot]

I'm relying upon LE's own statements and release not conclusions or speculation. If anyone has proof to the contrary--a link quoting LE directly in which they themselves state they've since been completely satisfied w Ron's full cooperation--please post to substantiate, I'd sure appreciate seeing that. TIA!

arrot:

 

[Whisperer]

Please post all the talks RC has had with LE since August...thank you.


I'm sorry Elle, I have been off line alot lately and totally missed all these meetings with LE and how they or anyone encouraged divorce.

>>>>>>>>snipped..."Ronald has met with law Enforcement repeatedly over the past few months and it is no secret that after speaking with LE, among others, he filed for divorce and that divorce has since been made legal and binding.".......

 

[elle1919]

Please post all the talks RC has had with LE since August...thank you.


I'm sorry Elle, I have been off line alot lately and totally missed all these meetings with LE and how they or anyone encouraged divorce.

>>>>>>>>snipped..."Ronald has met with law Enforcement repeatedly over the past few months and it is no secret that after speaking with LE, among others, he filed for divorce and that divorce has since been made legal and binding.".......

For this I will have to go back to my desktop in my office where I have all of my references bookmarked.

BRB

 

[elle1919]

OK...I am digging..

ETA perhaps a person who thinks RC is not cooperating could look for the statements that support their claim. My original post said that I looked for information to validate the claim that RC was not cooperating.

 

[elle1919]

And that's a fact. LE stated they had requested to interview him further, but "which Mr. Cummings declined."

arrot:

This is the post that I responded to. I was actually responding to your post where you stated that Law Enforcement said RC was not cooperating with them. In your post you stated that claim and said you were relying on statements from Law Enforcement. If you are relying on statements from LE that say Ronald isn't cooperating then those should be readily available to you.


Nowhere in my posts did I state anything as fact, so why should it be upon my shoulders to search for a statement. Your post about RC not cooperating is stated as fact.

Because I said I would I will look for the video or any article even though I was not the one that presented the statement a fact.

 

[elle1919]

I wanted to post the link to a recent interview with a member of law Enforcement. If you listen to the 8 minute interview you will notice that at no time during this interview did he make a plea for Ronald to come in and go over things again. You would think that if they are working on Haleigh's case and her father is not talking to them that would be the most important thing he would express. But he didn't .

YouTube- Haleigh Cummings Update

 

[Baznme]

This is the post that I responded to. I was actually responding to your post where you stated that Law Enforcement said RC was not cooperating with them. In your post you stated that claim and said you were relying on statements from Law Enforcement. If you are relying on statements from LE that say Ronald isn't cooperating then those should be readily available to you.


Nowhere in my posts did I state anything as fact, so why should it be upon my shoulders to search for a statement. Your post about RC not cooperating is stated as fact.

Because I said I would I will look for the video or any article even though I was not the one that presented the statement a fact.

Elle, I do seem to remember that but I think it was something on NG or JVM. I don't really know but, I would think that LE would be reluctant to ask for further interviews with RC since he does have an attorney. All communication is expected to go through him since retained, correct?

 

[debs]

LE made public statements that Ronald and Misty et al refused private invitations to come in and discuss the case.

 

[Malesherbes]

And that's a fact. LE stated they had requested to interview him further, but "which Mr. Cummings declined."

arrot:

I just want one to explain to me how we are not to see red flags when the father of the missing child does not contact the LE for 5 months? What is a good reason for that? Just one....

 

[elle1919]

Elle, I do seem to remember that but I think it was something on NG or JVM. I don't really know but, I would think that LE would be reluctant to ask for further interviews with RC since he does have an attorney. All communication is expected to go through him since retained, correct?

Not sure Baz, I do remember that Ronald has been to at least one meeting with law Enforcement since Shoemaker became his lawyer. So I hope that he is not being uncooperative.


sorry I am so slow tonight but for some reason I keep getting logged out. Pain in the butt

 

[elle1919]

I just want one to explain to me how we are not to see red flags when the father of the missing child does not contact the LE for 5 months? What is a good reason for that? Just one....

I couldn't possibly know the answer to that question. There was a stretch of months when there was very little movement in Haleigh's case. I can't recall any of the key players in this case meeting with Law Enforcement during those quiet months. But just because I didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


ETA...I remember during those months thinking that Law Enforcement has stopped working on the case altogether, not only were family members quiet but I was nervous they had given up or put her case on the back burner.

 

[Malesherbes]

I couldn't possibly know the answer to that question. There was a stretch of months when there was very little movement in Haleigh's case. I can't recall any of the key players in this case meeting with Law Enforcement during those quiet months. But just because I didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


ETA...I remember during those months thinking that Law Enforcement has stopped working on the case altogether, not only were family members quiet but I was nervous they had given up or put her case on the back burner.

LE has never ever stopped working on this case, they have come out and said its not cold- I dont care even if it was cold, if my child was missing, you can take it to the bank I would be calling all the time asking, and being interested if they had any new leads- 5 months is inexcusable unless he was in a coma. No good parent would do that-

jmo

jmo

 

[cyndimb]

I just want one to explain to me how we are not to see red flags when the father of the missing child does not contact the LE for 5 months? What is a good reason for that? Just one....

That is a good question but I have no answer for you. :waitasec: Let me see if I can think of one NOPE not one comes to my mind but if my child was missing LE would have to get a RO & block my number from the detectives.

 

[curvecuti]

I couldn't possibly know the answer to that question. There was a stretch of months when there was very little movement in Haleigh's case. I can't recall any of the key players in this case meeting with Law Enforcement during those quiet months. But just because I didn't hear of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


ETA...I remember during those months thinking that Law Enforcement has stopped working on the case altogether, not only were family members quiet but I was nervous they had given up or put her case on the back burner.

Yep, it's extremely difficult to explain something that no one knows is true. If LE wanted to speak to RC, they knew where he was. I don't believe for 1 minute if they wanted to talk to him they couldn't. That is ludicrous. imo.

 

[debs]

Yep, it's extremely difficult to explain something that no one knows is true. If LE wanted to speak to RC, they knew where he was. I don't believe for 1 minute if they wanted to talk to him they couldn't. That is ludicrous. imo.

But LE is on record stating that they asked repeatedly for Ronald Cummings and his wife to come in and talk and they refused. That's not using imagination. That's taking LE's statement for what it says.

 

[Malesherbes]

But LE is on record stating that they asked repeatedly for Ronald Cummings and his wife to come in and talk and they refused. That's not using imagination. That's taking LE's statement for what it says.

They refused- How sad- Haleigh deserved so much more-

 

[elle1919]

I am well aware that LE doesn't consider this case closed. As far as what any good parent would do, You bet your behind I would be camping out at the PCSO. I have said that exact thing more times than I can actually count. I never claimed to understand why the families were so quiet. I definitely would not be under those circumstances.

 

[kiki the parrot]

But LE is on record stating that they asked repeatedly for Ronald Cummings and his wife to come in and talk and they refused. That's not using imagination. That's taking LE's statement for what it says.

You're right deb, it's not "difficult to explain" at all lol. Only when you're expected to explain, and repost the same link, repeatedly.

Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

(bbm) "Cut off interviews w investigators," and "resisting" LE efforts to interview him doesn't sound like full cooperation to me. I don't state something as fact unless I can back it up. The links have been posted publically here on this site--and already made "readily available" to EVERYONE numerous times by myself and others--where they can be accessed at any time. Such as here (prominently, conveniently in Stickies):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4031517&highlight=resisted#post4031517 as well as the following, among other places...

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ron C. # 11

Once public record, I see no more reason to chide anyone into re-posting than to suggest they are unable to if not doing so quickly enough. Kinda like LE's standing invitation for RC to cooperate w the investigation--once having gone public it's not anything they have to keep repeating. Ron quickly lawyered up following their public disclosure but having gone on record, they've made their position clear.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later

arrot:

 

[Malesherbes]

And sure, what else can you say, I totally agree- But he wasn't even calling asking if they had any new leads or anything!!!!! 5 months!!!!! Where is the outcry in that????

 

[PorcineGranny]

Elle, I do remember, but not which thread, it was back a good ways, where a discussion was going on about LE saying they would like to speak to Ronald again. Ronald pointedly
did not contact LE for months and the question was always, WHY.