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Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. This would be April 7, 2009, approximately. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset.

Why would the police department do this? It sounds as if they are very concerned about rc's and his history of violence. This is not normal behavior of LE to be worried about employees of PDM. This leads me down the path that LE had great concerns about rc and anger issues. Wouldn't it also stand to reason that they had suspicions about what really took place at Green Lane.

This was almost two months after the disappearance and LE was concerned about safety of others. WHY? Why would LE worry 2 months later about rc doing something at PDM?
 
JMO he's been Father and Mother to HaLeigh and Junior for several years.

Hi Flossie, While I most certainly respect your opinion :), if I were a betting woman (and sometimes I am :crazy:) my money would have to be on GGMS being the mother and father to HaLeigh and Jr all these years...with g-friends picking up the slack when not living w/GGMS. But I suppose none of us will ever know that for sure, so it's all speculation on our part IMO anyway...
 
Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. This would be April 7, 2009, approximately. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset.

Why would the police department do this? It sounds as if they are very concerned about rc's and his history of violence. This is not normal behavior of LE to be worried about employees of PDM. This leads me down the path that LE had great concerns about rc and anger issues. Wouldn't it also stand to reason that they had suspicions about what really took place at Green Lane.

This was almost two months after the disappearance and LE was concerned about safety of others. WHY? Why would LE worry 2 months later about rc doing something at PDM?

Wow Whisperer, I was not aware of this security effort by PDM. Is it just me or does this seem quite extreme?
Hey I've been fired a few times and other than being escorted out of the building by a manager or security, no company has ever gone to the point of standing guard in case I return.
I would guess PDM requested the presence of LE at the time of Ron's planned return to work. So, what transpired between PDM management and Ron when he was notified he'd been released from his job. We may never know, but certainly there had to be a reason the business took these measures.
This certainly casts a shadow over Ron, or is this SOP for the company?
I'm really taken back by this. JMO
 
That is something AZ...and you know the LE thinks the same thing. They are aware of his temper..BIG TIME. They also are aware of his guns and he never leaves home without one. I also believe they think he knows what happened to Haleigh.
 
Take note in the report of Greenwood that there are only TWO shifts at PDM. PDM is not a 24 hour operation either. I believe it is a 16 hour operation. Now what were rc's REAL hours?
 
LF..I know you know the real story about the work hours at PDM. So do others....some live in that city and know people that work there.

RC has never stated his work hours. He alluded to the fact he worked 8 hrs the night before. He told this to his pastor. LE alluded they are satisfied with 8 hrs of the time line, IIRC. We are still missing 4 hours.


So you think that you guys and people who live in that city and know people who work where Ron worked know more then LE who have investigated him know? Maybe you should join the force and solve this case yourselves.

How do you know what Ron told the investigators or what his supervisor told them? Where you there with the investigators? Because unless you were then there is no way you can know what they know. "We are still missing 4 hours." Now there you go...you are missing 4 hours but that doesn't mean the people who are investigating are missing 4 hours. Just because they didn't clue you in to everything that they know doesn't mean they don't know everything there is to know about his work hours the night that Haleigh went missing. You assume and guess about a lot of things but that doesn't make them true. You hear a rumor and assume it is true. You are not in on the investigation and so you only think you know so much about what has gone on. With all of the knowledge on this part of the board I think LE should just turn the case over to you guys and I'm sure you will have it all figured out and proven with facts in no time at all.
 
Respectfully,

IMHO whoever RC's been shacked up with (including Mommy Dearest-TN) has been Mother and Father those kids for quite some time.

Aren't you getting a little carried away with yourself by saying that Ron shacked up with his mother!!!!??? It never ceases to amaze me...the way some of your minds work. That is getting a little desperate for something to gossip about isn't it for God's sake!
 
From his track record...I'll venture to say his main priority has been focused on having a sleeping partner...preferably underage ...JMO


Do you have a link that talks about all of the women that Ron has slept with besides Misty? I simply don't remember reading anywhere about all of the bed partners he has had in the past years since him and Crystal split. Could you also connect all of his sleeping partners with Haleigh missing with a link of course. I'm looking for facts.
 
If Crystal stole Haleigh, why is rc the one with a Defense Attorney and not talking to LE?


Because Crystal's attorney dumped her because of all the lies that she told and because her attorney found out that she is still into drugs.

Ron has already stated that he has told LE all that he knows which is next to nothing as he was at work when Haleigh went missing. What is the point of going in to talk to them and just saying the same things over and over and over? He can't speak for Misty as she is the only one who knows the true story about that night. He doesn't know what she was doing while he was at work. I would get tired of repeating myself too.
 
(BBM)
Because Crystal's attorney dumped her because of all the lies that she told and because her attorney found out that she is still into drugs.

Ron has already stated that he has told LE all that he knows which is next to nothing as he was at work when Haleigh went missing. What is the point of going in to talk to them and just saying the same things over and over and over? He can't speak for Misty as she is the only one who knows the true story about that night. He doesn't know what she was doing while he was at work. I would get tired of repeating myself too.

I wouldn't get tired of repeating myself if it meant finding my child! Jeez, it's not like Ron's being asked to swim a hundred rivers, just to climb a thousand walls here - WHEN IT'S YOUR CHILD, THERE'S NO PLACE THAT FAR!! JMHO -
 
(BBM)
Do you have a link that talks about all of the women that Ron has slept with besides Misty? I simply don't remember reading anywhere about all of the bed partners he has had in the past years since him and Crystal split. Could you also connect all of his sleeping partners with Haleigh missing with a link of course. I'm looking for facts.

Well I can connect one of his "sleeping partners" with HaLeigh's "disappearance."

Links Provided...

Headline;
"Misty Croslin, who was watching Haleigh, tells about herself"
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293?Title=Misty-Croslin-who-was-watching-Haleigh-tells-about-herself

Headline;
"Haleigh's dad denies his teenage girlfriend is involved"
http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh-4714545-croslin-told.html

Headline;
"Girlfriend's story checked in Fla. abduction case"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29262635/wid/6./


JMHO -

ETA: MORE LINKS AVAILABLE IF NEEDED!!
 
Because Crystal's attorney dumped her because of all the lies that she told and because her attorney found out that she is still into drugs.

Ron has already stated that he has told LE all that he knows which is next to nothing as he was at work when Haleigh went missing. What is the point of going in to talk to them and just saying the same things over and over and over? He can't speak for Misty as she is the only one who knows the true story about that night. He doesn't know what she was doing while he was at work. I would get tired of repeating myself too.

Bobbisangel, I just wanted to point out that the attorney Crystal had is not a Defense attorney. She was working for Crystal in the area of Child Custody. Regardless or why she stopped representating Crystal, the post you replied to was making a point of the fact Ron is represented by Defense attorneys. There is a difference between the two types of legal representation.
 
Bobbisangel you have every right, just like everyone else, to post your opinion(s) here, BUT you DO NOT have the right to personally attack others because they happen to have a different opinion than your own - take it elsewhere please - JMHO -
 
Do you have a link that talks about all of the women that Ron has slept with besides Misty? I simply don't remember reading anywhere about all of the bed partners he has had in the past years since him and Crystal split. Could you also connect all of his sleeping partners with Haleigh missing with a link of course. I'm looking for facts.

I was speaking of Amber and Misty.....He has shacked up with both since he was granted custody of his children...Both underage..
Do I believe Amber is connected to Haleigh's disappearance?
No, I do not, but quite a few here at WS have entertained the thought...

For the record..

TN, herself, compares Misty to some of his other girlfriends.. Granted, TN does state, to her knowledge, Ronald has only had one other fiance, but she does compare Misty to some of his other girlfriends.. According to TN, Misty is at the top of her list when it comes to how she has taken care of the chidren.... As I see it, there have been others since he got custody..Must have been in order for TN to compare Misty to them....JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca251Iv_sFk
 
Aren't you getting a little carried away with yourself by saying that Ron shacked up with his mother!!!!??? It never ceases to amaze me...the way some of your minds work. That is getting a little desperate for something to gossip about isn't it for God's sake!

Um, don't know where your mind is, but I was refering to RC letting who ever he is living with at the time being the primary parenting influence for his children.
I used the words "shacked up" as in, 'living with,' not as in having a romantic, physical relationship with (ew!)

Perhaps you should have asked for clarification first?
 
No one has to prove anything to you Whisperer. It really doesn't matter what you believe one way or the other. Bottom line is that Ron has had CUSTODY of his children since they were babies and no judge asked for a video to prove that he was doing everything for the kids so it really doesn't matter does it.

For some reason you have a real hatred for Ron C. I don't think it has to do with him at all though. I think it has to do with someone that was in your life at some point and Ron reminds you of him...or who you think Ron is anyway. No one could have so much hatred for a person that they don't know and have never even met without it reminding them of someone who they hated just as much. Seems to me you might need to work on that because your bitterness really comes through loud and clear. Might be a good thing to focus on your feeling towards that other person and do something about it.

10,000+ posts or not, I think that is highly uncalled for.:furious:
 
Because Crystal's attorney dumped her because of all the lies that she told and because her attorney found out that she is still into drugs.
Ron has already stated that he has told LE all that he knows which is next to nothing as he was at work when Haleigh went missing. What is the point of going in to talk to them and just saying the same things over and over and over? He can't speak for Misty as she is the only one who knows the true story about that night. He doesn't know what she was doing while he was at work. I would get tired of repeating myself too.


BBM..Dumper or Dumpee? Not that it really matters, but I thought I would clarify...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZevwradwEE
 
I'm not sure anyone can figure out who dumped whom in the Crystal-KP relationship. Crystal, being an addict, lies to avoid the consequences of her addiction, so she is not going to own up to her part in the situation. KP wants to protect her career and livelihood and so will spin things in her favor--although she is probably smart enough not to get caught in a lie. I'm not sure it matters, anyway, as that relationship was doomed from the get-go, because of the addiction, because Crystal is enmeshed in a relationship with her mother, and because everyone in the situation needs money. KP couldn't continue to live away from home and front expenses, etc., and the clients couldn't pay her.

As for Ronald having a "defense attorney," all a defense attorney does is represent clients involved with the criminal justice system, often as witnesses, relatives of victims, etc. See Gloria Allred as a prime example. What the defense attorney knows that a child custody lawyer wouldn't know is how a good police investigation is conducted, how to mediate between LE and the family, how to explain developments to the family, and how to prevent the family from alienating LE (a fairly common phenomena). Defense lawyers are also practiced at managing the media, which is crucial in a high-profile case. And in any disappearance of a child, the bio and step-parents, and other family members are always the first to be looked at as suspects. Even INNOCENT parents are smart to have legal representation, as there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people imprisoned in this country for crimes they did not do (as we are learning as DNA exonerates them). So can we put this issue to rest and stop implying that hiring an attorney is an admission of guilt?
 
As to the issue of Ronald allowing others to be the primary parental influence, I respectfully say that this is unlikely, regardless of whom we are talking about. The kids have lived with one or the other parent. Their primary bonds, from infancy, are with the parent--even when the parent is absent physically for a time (as in military deployment or traveling for work) or is less than functional due to addiction, illness, etc. As a stepparent, I can tell you than I have never for one moment imagined that I had more influence than the bio mother, even though she abandoned ship, so to speak, and left my husband to raise his son. She is still his mother and an enormous, though not always positive, influence in his life. The fact that Misty was operating in the "step-parent" position doesn't mean that she was the primary parental influence in the kids' lives. Or that Crystal, for that matter, is any less of a parental influence even though she struggles with addiction and lost physical custody. (And note that I am not arguing that Misty was, in any way, ready to be a stepparent or that Ron used good judgment in choosing her.)

The country is full of households where grandmothers and aunts and uncles have full custody of kids, situations in which both parents have opted out or are unavailable in some way. God bless them all for stepping up. There are also other situation in which single parents have needed their own parents to help--as babysitters when the parent is at work or as full live-in members of an extended family. Kids are always better off with as many committed, loving adults as they can have. The families in this case are (famously) imperfect. But it is quite clear that, despite his imperfections, Ron cared enough to fight for custody, provide a home for Haleigh and Junior, and work full time to support them. His mother and grandmother were available to help. There is not a shred of evidence that Ron is not an adequate parent or that he is not a "primary parental influence." And in fact, his efforts to gain custody can also be seen as an attempt to help Crystal see the consequences of her addiction issues and allow Crystal to be her best self with the kids.

For what it's worth, I also read "shacking up" as a reference to a sexual relationship, as I have never seen that term used in another way. I am glad that the poster has clarified that there was no intent to suggest an inappropriate relationship between Ron and his mother. But that term is a loaded one, suggesting casual live-in sex without commitment, which doesn't describe the situation with Ron and Misty, since Ron was supporting her and subsequently married her.
 
As to the issue of Ronald allowing others to be the primary parental influence, I respectfully say that this is unlikely, regardless of whom we are talking about. The kids have lived with one or the other parent. Their primary bonds, from infancy, are with the parent--even when the parent is absent physically for a time (as in military deployment or traveling for work) or is less than functional due to addiction, illness, etc. As a stepparent, I can tell you than I have never for one moment imagined that I had more influence than the bio mother, even though she abandoned ship, so to speak, and left my husband to raise his son. She is still his mother and an enormous, though not always positive, influence in his life. The fact that Misty was operating in the "step-parent" position doesn't mean that she was the primary parental influence in the kids' lives. Or that Crystal, for that matter, is any less of a parental influence even though she struggles with addiction and lost physical custody. (And note that I am not arguing that Misty was, in any way, ready to be a stepparent or that Ron used good judgment in choosing her.)

The country is full of households where grandmothers and aunts and uncles have full custody of kids, situations in which both parents have opted out or are unavailable in some way. God bless them all for stepping up. There are also other situation in which single parents have needed their own parents to help--as babysitters when the parent is at work or as full live-in members of an extended family. Kids are always better off with as many committed, loving adults as they can have. The families in this case are (famously) imperfect. But it is quite clear that, despite his imperfections, Ron cared enough to fight for custody, provide a home for Haleigh and Junior, and work full time to support them. His mother and grandmother were available to help. There is not a shred of evidence that Ron is not an adequate parent or that he is not a "primary parental influence." And in fact, his efforts to gain custody can also be seen as an attempt to help Crystal see the consequences of her addiction issues and allow Crystal to be her best self with the kids.

For what it's worth, I also read "shacking up" as a reference to a sexual relationship, as I have never seen that term used in another way. I am glad that the poster has clarified that there was no intent to suggest an inappropriate relationship between Ron and his mother. But that term is a loaded one, suggesting casual live-in sex without commitment, which doesn't describe the situation with Ron and Misty, since Ron was supporting her and subsequently married her.


There are a few things you've said that I would like to comment on.

1. You stated, "As a stepparent, I can tell you..."

I think that statement which I've taken out of context post could very well explain why some of the posters feel the way that they do. Every single poster attempts to use the facts and information available to them to try and theorize what happened to Haleigh. Each uses their own personal experience to make sense of it, to filter that information through.
While this is purely my opinion, I would love to see what kind of answers we would get if we posted a poll asking what sort or parenting situation you are in (Stepparent, domestic partnership, biological parent, and so forth) and what you think happened to Haleigh. My guess would be that there would be interesting numbers of stepparents who think that CS and company were responsible. Like I said, MOO.


2. You stated, "And in fact, his efforts to gain custody can also be seen as an attempt to help Crystal see the consequences of her addiction issues and allow Crystal to be her best self with the kids. "

While that could well be the case (see my opinoin above) there are those who see men fighting for custody of their children for NO OTHER REASON than to get out of paying child support. I'm not saying that is what went on here, or that fighting for custody for that reason is even logical...but it does happen. Every day.

3. "I have never seen that term [shacking-up]used in another way"

Please see the Free Online Dictionary for definitions.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shack+up

shack (shk)
n.
A small, crudely built cabin; a shanty.
intr.v. shacked, shack·ing, shacks
To live or dwell: farm hands shacking in bunkhouses.
Idiom:
shack up Slang
1. To sleep together or live in sexual intimacy without being married.
2. To live, room, or stay at a place: I'm shacking up with my cousin till I find a place of my own.


At least I wasnt' making it up, right?

Thanks for a great post! I want to compliment you on how even tempered your post was. Everyone is so passionate in their opinions about Haleigh and company. It can be very difficult at times to keep that passion from bleeding through and sounding like a personal attack.
I'm sure I've probably done it more than once.
 
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