Ron C. #4

[doogiesgirl]

Does it drive anyone else crazy that they are always saying daughter instead of her name? Maybe it is just something they do in Florida. We use the kids' names when referring to them. Who says to someone they are living with "your daughter is missing"? Wouldn't you say "Haleigh is missing"? Now if someone is mad at the child I have heard people say "your daughter/son did such and such". I don't know it just bothers me and sounds wrong somehow.

This doesn't sound suspicious to me at all. I can see myself saying "my son" as opposed to his name when speaking to reporters. That seems natural to me. jmo

 

[raisincharlie]

*** Tyler, Misty's Brother and sister n law I believe.

It is and I think the only reason LE went there is because they had asked Misty if they ever took walks - that address was mentioned and LE went to see if Haleigh was there. Nothing nefarious just checking.

The only thing puzzling about the recordings is who was last seen 1 to 1.5 hours before the 911 call. Are they refering to Haleigh ? If so that certainly does not match up with the story(ies) Misty has told.

Still puzzling on the 1 to 1.5 hours as the last seen time frame.

 

[gypsyblue]

It is and I think the only reason LE went there is because they had asked Misty if they ever took walks - that address was mentioned and LE went to see if Haleigh was there. Nothing nefarious just checking.

The only thing puzzling about the recordings is who was last seen 1 to 1.5 hours before the 911 call. Are they refering to Haleigh ? If so that certainly does not match up with the story(ies) Misty has told.

Still puzzling on the 1 to 1.5 hours as the last seen time frame.

hi rcharlie. will you explain or refer me? TYIA

 

[doogiesgirl]

I thought from the start this was a "crime for profit", the wedding wasnt part of the plan JMO!

I don't understand. Do you mean you think RC killed Haleigh and hid her body to make money off of her disappearance? Or that he is hiding her somewhere? I'm confused.

 

[raisincharlie]

hi rcharlie. will you explain or refer me? TYIA

What part ? Have you listened to the police dispatch recordings?

Listen closely between 3:40 and 4 minutes run time in the tapes - you will hear reference to the Tyler Street residence and dispatch reports last seen 1 to 1.5 hours ago.

ETA link: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

 

[nursebeeme]

raisin, that is very interesting and good catch.

 

[raisincharlie]

raisin, that is very interesting and good catch.

I just don't know who they are talking about having been seen...

 

[Peliman]

It is and I think the only reason LE went there is because they had asked Misty if they ever took walks - that address was mentioned and LE went to see if Haleigh was there. Nothing nefarious just checking.

I'm not so sure they knew that then, I'm curious though.

The only thing puzzling about the recordings is who was last seen 1 to 1.5 hours before the 911 call. Are they refering to Haleigh ? If so that certainly does not match up with the story(ies) Misty has told.

Still puzzling on the 1 to 1.5 hours as the last seen time frame.

No clue, I know when things first happen, everything is known in a fog that clears up later. It could be a simple dispatch error.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

What part ? Have you listened to the police dispatch recordings?

Listen closely between 3:40 and 4 minutes run time in the tapes - you will hear reference to the Tyler Street residence and dispatch reports last seen 1 to 1.5 hours ago.

ETA link: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

yeah i keep playing it over and over

 

[gypsyblue]

You know what I don't get? What exactly does RC think happened to Haleigh? He doesn't believe that Jr saw the black man in black, he doesn't believe that the person he had an arguement with took her, (he denies even having an arguement), he doesn't think it had anything to do with the cousin (he denies that the cousin was at the house), he doesn't believe that Misty had anything to do with it. So what happened? He seems to always have some attitude that he knows best, so what happened. Whenever people suggest these things he gets attitude and denies them like he knows something we don't. If he was "at work" he doesn't know what happened, so why is he so quick to shoot everything down? I don't get it.

might I respectfully add, he also knows that Haleigh didnt wander outside, and in a NG interview a caller suggested previous tenants and he so surely denied that too. IMO all of this you have stated is because he knows what happened, but he has a story of a stranger abduction and he is sticking to it best he can in order not to slip up...I think he feels the more people lean toward other possibility than his chances of getting caught or more probable..JMOO A 911 call to say Haleighs been abducted, RC "I was at work" MC "I dont know" keeps focus where they want it to be... IMO

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm not so sure they knew that then, I'm curious though.



No clue, I know when things first happen, everything is known in a fog that clears up later. It could be a simple dispatch error.

Check the police report.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What time did this particular dispatch go out?

I think because Haleigh was last seen when she was supposedly in bed, it could be speculation on the part of the dispatcher. She wouldn't be talking about Misty, imo, unless we are not privy to something Misty herself told them.

Haleigh was not last seen when the call came in so there would be a timelapse. Maybe dispatch was simply making this clear to the officers and not being specific.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Yes owner of address on Tyler is LindsyC (Misty's SIL, wife of bro Tommy) w GuyS. It sounds as tho there was something going on at that addy an hour and a half prior for which LE dispatched--unless as some seem to think, radio communication we're listening to took place an hour and a half after Haleigh's disappearance--closer to 5 am--and is referring back to when this location was checked soon after being reported.
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[MADJGNLAW]

might I respectfully add, he also knows that Haleigh didnt wander outside, and in a NG interview a caller suggested previous tenants and he so surely denied that too. IMO all of this you have stated is because he knows what happened, but he has a story of a stranger abduction and he is sticking to it best he can in order not to slip up...I think he feels the more people lean toward other possibility than his chances of getting caught or more probable..JMOO A 911 call to say Haleighs been abducted, RC "I was at work" MC "I dont know" keeps focus where they want it to be... IMO

I agree...might I respectfully add as well.
Ron's interviews have bothered me since day one. His reactions are just so bazaar. I thought at first this was a grieving a father and he just had a strange way of showing grief. The time he threw himself on the ground and then minutes later started talking as if nothing, then anger..so strange....I now tend to think other....JMO.

When Geraldo talked to Ron about the allegations, Ron' response is classic. His anger is over the top, but he doesn't want to let it out, so he. talks. like. this. in. an. attempt. to. control. it. [/B ] Geraldo then ask Ron about drugs and he states he never had done drugs...However, look at his rap sheet. Even though for what ever reason the charges were dropped he was charged on several occations...another lie. JMO
Then When asked about hitting the children Ron said first he never hit the children, then states he only hit them the way DFC told him to. Which is it? Either he did or he didn't?...I tend to believe he did and the reason DCF had to "tell" him how to spank the children is because he must of been spanking them previously outside of the DCF guidelines.


When Geraldo asked Ron if he thought Haleigh was alive, his body language is, sadly, fascinating. He shakes his head no very briefly before he speaks, and then he moves his head abruptly to an up and down direction with a slight hook to the side. He says, "I'm always going to believe my daughter is alive until they find her." First thing I thought of was CA's statements about Caylee being close to home and as far as she knew at the moment she was fine. (That was because the remains were not found as of yet. I think Ron knows or partially knows what Happen to Haleigh that night. I also read that LE is now saying "other's" statements are inconsistent and I wonder if Ron if one of those other's besides Misty. Ron lied about hitting the children and he lied about any drug involvement. Those are two major lies in my eyes and a person that would lie about something that serious can not be trusted. Granted, it is not said he is guilty of abusing the children per say...but he did hit the children the way DFC told him to. So he did hit them and He was charged for drugs...even though charges were dropped. As for his involvement on what happen to Haleigh I have not came to a conclusion on that. But do portray him as a liar, and I don't trust anyone that lies. JMO

 

[zadari]

i think the parent saying daughter or son has more meaning to the parent and not us because we arnt the parent ..

 

[daisy.faithfull]

IMO not calling her Haleigh but daughter, lil girl, baby etc. is a form of distancing.

I think that it could be a way demonstrating how special she is to him, that a stranger shouldn't have her because she belongs with her father who loves her very much. Constantly referring to Haleigh as "her", while in and of itself would not raise any red flags, would be the most distancing. For instance, he's saying she is just any little girl, she is my daughter. Not that he is saying that other children are not special, but Haliegh is special to him because she is his daughter.

 

[Charla]

I think that it could be a way demonstrating how special she is to him, that a stranger shouldn't have her because she belongs with her father who loves her very much. Constantly referring to Haleigh as "her", while in and of itself would not raise any red flags, would be the most distancing. For instance, he's saying she is just any little girl, she is my daughter. Not that he is saying that other children are not special, but Haliegh is special to him because she is his daughter.

I'm not sure what RC not calling Haleigh by her name means...I find it interesting how two people on this board can see the issue so differently. Makes me wonder if/how LE debates issues like this to see if they have any relevance at all...

 

[zadari]

I'm not sure what RC not calling Haleigh by her name means...I find it interesting how two people on this board can see the issue so differently. Makes me wonder if/how LE debates issues like this to see if they have any relevance at all...

well to me my daughter has a deeper meaning to me .. daughter part of me .. mabey when he says my daughter he doesnt want her getting mixed up with another girl named haliegh ? i really dont know .. i just know what it means to me .. most of the time i call kiera my kikabird lol when my daughter was born she had a tiny crest of hair on her head lol she looked like a little cockatoo .. so it was kikabird from there but if she was missing ..it would be my daughter ..of course id probably be put in a rubber room because id be crying to hard to make any sense

 

[nnglas]

I don't think it really has that much significance to RC or how he is feeling. I mean that I don't think that is a good indicator of how he is feeling. The only thing I could find on the situation is in a kidnapping, if you talk to the kidnapper they say you should use the person's name, so the kidnapper may see the person as a person and not an object. Might make it harder for someone to hurt them.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I agree...might I respectfully add as well.
Ron's interviews have bothered me since day one. His reactions are just so bazaar. I thought at first this was a grieving a father and he just had a strange way of showing grief. The time he threw himself on the ground and then minutes later started talking as if nothing, then anger..so strange....I now tend to think other....JMO.

When Geraldo talked to Ron about the allegations, Ron' response is classic. His anger is over the top, but he doesn't want to let it out, so he. talks. like. this. in. an. attempt. to. control. it. [/B ] Geraldo then ask Ron about drugs and he states he never had done drugs...However, look at his rap sheet. Even though for what ever reason the charges were dropped he was charged on several occations...another lie. JMO
Then When asked about hitting the children Ron said first he never hit the children, then states he only hit them the way DFC told him to. Which is it? Either he did or he didn't?...I tend to believe he did and the reason DCF had to "tell" him how to spank the children is because he must of been spanking them previously outside of the DCF guidelines.


When Geraldo asked Ron if he thought Haleigh was alive, his body language is, sadly, fascinating. He shakes his head no very briefly before he speaks, and then he moves his head abruptly to an up and down direction with a slight hook to the side. He says, "I'm always going to believe my daughter is alive until they find her." First thing I thought of was CA's statements about Caylee being close to home and as far as she knew at the moment she was fine. (That was because the remains were not found as of yet. I think Ron knows or partially knows what Happen to Haleigh that night. I also read that LE is now saying "other's" statements are inconsistent and I wonder if Ron if one of those other's besides Misty. Ron lied about hitting the children and he lied about any drug involvement. Those are two major lies in my eyes and a person that would lie about something that serious can not be trusted. Granted, it is not said he is guilty of abusing the children per say...but he did hit the children the way DFC told him to. So he did hit them and He was charged for drugs...even though charges were dropped. As for his involvement on what happen to Haleigh I have not came to a conclusion on that. But do portray him as a liar, and I don't trust anyone that lies. JMO

Then When asked about hitting the children Ron said first he never hit the children, then states he only hit them the way DFC told him to.

This is not true. When asked Ron's reply was that he spanks them to DFC's specifications. He didn't say anything about them telling him how to spank his kids. I think every parent in the nation knows what DFC has to say about spanking and what is allowed and what isn't. If they don't they better check it out because that is what LE goes along with.

Ron may have been charged with having drugs or a roach clip, etc in his vehicle but the charges didn't stick. Those type of charges aren't dropped easily. Maybe he was telling the truth...we don't know. You are assuming.

I would guess that you are referring to the pictures that Crystal has of Haleigh and who she says if RJ but his face isn't shown. If you are keeping up with this case and truly want to know all of the details of what is happening you would know that Haleigh had an accident at school...fell off the monkey bars. She was taken to ER twice and her gramma took almost daily pictures of her face which are camera dated and time stamped. The pictures show how her face looked worse and worse and happens with injurys like hers. Gramma has the pictures which will stand up in court. She was smart to take those pictures but then she probably knows that someone would make a big deal out of Haleigh's injury.

Crystal herself at the beginning said that Ron is a good dad who loves his kids and they love him. It wasn't until this custody thing started over RJ but not Haleigh that she started bad mouthing Ron.

I would hate to see what any of us would act like or say if our five yr old little child was missing. I would probably be accused of all kinds of things on a forum like this. I give Ron a lot of credit for maintaining his temper when Geraldo was in his face trying to push his buttons. He maintained and ended up using that time to talk to and about Haleigh.