Ron C. #6

[mysticrose]

Maybe now that there are no attorneys involved Ron, Misty, Crystal who ever will start speaking with them more so LE can try and get Haleigh home. Maybe it will help and maybe it won't.

 

[stilettos]

Maybe now that there are no attorneys involved Ron, Misty, Crystal who ever will start speaking with them more so LE can try and get Haleigh home. Maybe it will help and maybe it won't.

Could be the plan. IDK

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM

How very, very sad and very telling of what happened in this case....the father of this missing child has made NO CONTACT with LE at all for 3 out of the 5 months that his child has been missing.

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LE already knows Ron's two sentence story: I don't know. I was at work.
At the very beginning of this case Ron made a statement that he was 75% sure he knew who did this. Well, who is it?

 

[atherella]

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Fact is DCF couldn't find factual evidence to prove that Ron abused the children, it doesn't mean that they weren't abused, just that it could not be proven. I would think that everyone would want the truth to come out. Ron has managed to slide through this charge just like the other legal charges he slid through. BTW, OJ was found not guilty too, but that doesn't mean that he didn't do it, does it? There are lots of children living with abuse everyday where DCF cleared the parent through their investigation. There are also a lot of children who did not live through it.

Given that Kim Picazio originally came out "guns blazing" stating that she had many witnesses to "beatings" and she had bloody photos, after an investigation of over four months, it sure sounds like there was nothing of merit and Ms. Picazio either exaggerated greatly, or her witnesses lied, IMO.

Like I stated before, DCF may fail some children, but how many of those kids had their stories in the national spotlight? None, I bet. HaLeigh's case has been in the national spotlight since day 1. DCF went way past the 60 day investigatory normal time frame in order to do a thorough investigation in this matter. I have no doubt due to the exposure this case has that they did not want to make any mistakes. If there was any evidence of abuse, any at all, they would have kept the case open, made a case plan, and followed the family. They found no evidence of abuse and closed the case. That is the bottom line here, no matter how people want to twist things. People should be happy and celebrate the fact that Junior and HaLeigh were not being abused.

 

[mysticrose]

Has anyone on here had an attorney before? You need to run things by your attorney before you open your mouth. It's a big no no as far as a lawyer is concerned because they represent you..so if you say something you shouldnt it is on them. It makes you a liability. So if Ron's law firm did not speak to LE then my guess would be he did not either. To me it looks like the only talking the law firm did was there press release's and of course in court for Ron.
The DCF report will never be made public ever. Even if it had to be brought up in court it would never be made public. Period end of story.

 

[Annie]

Just wonder if Ron has found another job. He and his family can't live off Grandma and Crystal's payments forever.....or can they? Does anyone know if either of them is working?

 

[mysticrose]

These were snipped by me from the link below:

As described in Chapters 39 and 415, Florida Statutes, the Florida Department of Children & Families is charged with providing comprehensive protective services for children who are abused, neglected or at threat of harm and vulnerable adults who are abuse, neglected or exploited in the state by requiring that reports of abuse, neglect, threatened harm, or exploitation be made to the Florida Abuse Hotline. In taking action to prevent further harm to the child, any other children living in the home, or a vulnerable adult the Department of Children & Families must preserve the family life of the parents, children, and vulnerable adults to the maximum extent possible. Law enforcement is to take the lead in all criminal investigations and prosecution
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D. Description of Harm (Child):

ABUSE: Any willful or threatened act or omission that results in any physical, mental, or sexual injury or harm that causes or is likely to cause the child's physical, mental, or emotional health to be significantly impaired. NEGLECT: Any act or omission where a child is deprived of, or allowed to be deprived of, necessary supervision, food, clothing, shelter, or medical treatment, or a child is permitted to live in an environment when such deprivation or environment causes the child's physical, mental, or emotional health to be significantly impaired or to be in danger of being significantly impaired. The foregoing circumstances shall not be considered neglect if caused primarily by financial inability unless actual services for relief have been offered to and rejected by the caretaker responsible.

THREATENED HARM: A situation, circumstances or behavior which leads a prudent person to have reasonable cause to suspect abuse or neglect has occurred or may occur in the immediate future if no intervention is provided

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/abuse/definitions.shtml

 

[mysticrose]

Snipped by me from the article link below:


The 2008 Florida Statutes

Title V
JUDICIAL BRANCH Chapter 39
PROCEEDINGS RELATING TO CHILDREN View Entire Chapter

39.201 Mandatory reports of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect; mandatory reports of death; central abuse hotline.--

(1)(a) Any person who knows, or has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused, abandoned, or neglected by a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child's welfare, as defined in this chapter, or that a child is in need of supervision and care and has no parent, legal custodian, or responsible adult relative immediately known and available to provide supervision and care shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).

(b) Reporters in the following occupation categories are required to provide their names to the hotline staff:

1. Physician, osteopathic physician, medical examiner, chiropractic physician, nurse, or hospital personnel engaged in the admission, examination, care, or treatment of persons;

2. Health or mental health professional other than one listed in subparagraph 1.;

3. Practitioner who relies solely on spiritual means for healing;

4. School teacher or other school official or personnel;

5. Social worker, day care center worker, or other professional child care, foster care, residential, or institutional worker;

6. Law enforcement officer; or

7. Judge.

The names of reporters shall be entered into the record of the report, but shall be held confidential and exempt as provided in s. 39.202.

(c) A professional who is hired by or enters into a contract with the department for the purpose of treating or counseling any person, as a result of a report of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect, is not required to again report to the central abuse hotline the abuse, abandonment, or neglect that was the subject of the referral for treatment.

(d) An officer or employee of the judicial branch is not required to again provide notice of reasonable cause to suspect child abuse, abandonment, or neglect when that child is currently being investigated by the department, there is an existing dependency case, or the matter has previously been reported to the department, provided there is reasonable cause to believe the information is already known to the department. This paragraph applies only when the information has been provided to the officer or employee in the course of carrying out his or her official duties.

(e) Nothing in this chapter or in the contracting with community-based care providers for foster care and related services as specified in s. 409.1671 shall be construed to remove or reduce the duty and responsibility of any person, including any employee of the community-based care provider, to report a suspected or actual case of child abuse, abandonment, or neglect or the sexual abuse of a child to the department's central abuse hotline.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES..._Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0039/Sec201.HTM

 

[mysticrose]

I found this article of interest being that Ron was with Misty and other younger females in his dating years. The rest of the article is at the link below


The following laws are the ages for sexual consent in the United States only. The age of sexual consent is the age when the law says you can agree to have sex. This means that until you reach this age, you can not legally have sex with anyone, regardless of whether or not you or your parents consent. Sometimes the law is different if you are female or male. Some states also have different ages of consent for homosexual intercourse. As with any laws, these are subject to change. If you are younger than age 18, please check these laws in the state in which you reside.

These laws exist because some teens are not mature enough to know that their actions have consequences. The law makes sure that young people are not exploited by adults.

Statutory rape is the crime committed when an adult has sexual intercourse with someone under the legal age of sexual consent. If the crime is reported (even if your partner is your boyfriend/girlfriend), that person may be arrested, tried in a court of law and sent to jail.

Age of Sexual Consent in USA
State Age Law on Same-sex Intercourse?
Alabama 16 no law on same-sex intercourse
Alaska 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
Arizona 18 no law on same-sex intercourse
Arkansas 16 no law on same-sex intercourse
California 18 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
Colorado 17 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
Connecticut 16 f/m, f/f, m/m intercourse
D.C. 16 no law on same-sex intercourse
Delaware 18 no law on same-sex intercourse
Florida 18 no law on same-sex intercourse


http://www.livestrong.com/article/12483-age-consensual-sex/

 

[cuppy199]

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Fact is DCF couldn't find factual evidence to prove that Ron abused the children, it doesn't mean that they weren't abused, just that it could not be proven. I would think that everyone would want the truth to come out. Ron has managed to slide through this charge just like the other legal charges he slid through. BTW, OJ was found not guilty too, but that doesn't mean that he didn't do it, does it? There are lots of children living with abuse everyday where DCF cleared the parent through their investigation. There are also a lot of children who did not live through it.

And there is also plenty of people who are falsely accused of abuse and their lifes ruined because of false reports. It goes both ways. Sadly though even if Ronald is innocent and never abused his children it doesnt matter because he will always be labeled as one because DCF was involved period. And I just had to chuckle at your OJ comment :blowkiss:

 

[crwofter1]

Given that Kim Picazio originally came out "guns blazing" stating that she had many witnesses to "beatings" and she had bloody photos, after an investigation of over four months, it sure sounds like there was nothing of merit and Ms. Picazio either exaggerated greatly, or her witnesses lied, IMO.

Like I stated before, DCF may fail some children, but how many of those kids had their stories in the national spotlight? None, I bet. HaLeigh's case has been in the national spotlight since day 1. DCF went way past the 60 day investigatory normal time frame in order to do a thorough investigation in this matter. I have no doubt due to the exposure this case has that they did not want to make any mistakes. If there was any evidence of abuse, any at all, they would have kept the case open, made a case plan, and followed the family. They found no evidence of abuse and closed the case. That is the bottom line here, no matter how people want to twist things. People should be happy and celebrate the fact that Junior and HaLeigh were not being abused.

I have to reiterate what lonetraveler said "it doesn't mean that they weren't abused." I think DCF failed miserably with their ruling, but that's just MVHO. I will never be happy knowing any child is in their care. I feel if he was a good father, his child would still be here, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
JMO

 

[Whisperer]

Ron was not falsely accused of having sex with with a 16 yr old when he was 24. Ron moved into the trailer on Green lane in November WITH his 16 yr. old girlfriend.

No excuse for this...clearly illegal.

 

[Whisperer]

Given that RC's attorneys have had him make statements about his plea for Haleigh on a law office video, I would think they were involved with the case. They have also made comments about the back door being staged. This can support an idea that they were invested with his defense to some degree.

The minute DCF announced their ruling, RC was dropped like a hot potato. It makes one think of the timing and their desire to leave the case ASAP.

 

[Busylady]

Sorry mystic I do not agree. Like I stated earlier if LE wanted to question RC then yes attorney would be present, this tells me LE is not wanting to question RC. I believe RC has been in contact with LE to find out what is going on with the case and if there are any leads or info with regards to where Haleigh is.

Thursday, Sheriff's Office spokesman Johnny Greenwood said detectives had not received any "credible information" from the law firm and had not had contact with them since April or early May

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/071709/news_1754651.shtml

If the law firm had no contact with them then that means Ron has not either, as they speak for him,or should I say did.

 

[Busylady]

We all know RC broke the law with regards to his relationship with Misty. It is posted at least 3 times a day. We all know RC had old drugs charges (though not 12 charges that has been stated over and over) as that is posted several times a day as well. These things do not make RC guilty of harming Haleigh nor do they mean RC abused his children. DCF has closed the file stating they found no abuse. I realize some slip thru the cracks, however this case is unique as the world was watching them closely. They had pressure from an attorney and from locals coming out of the woodwork with claims (at least that is what we have been told), a child from the home is missing, I find it hard to believe that DCF did not do a very thorough and complete investigation before closing this file. I for one am thankful that they did not cave to the pressure and remove JR from his home simply to please the public who has already tried and convicted RC.

 

[cajun]

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LE already knows Ron's two sentence story: I don't know. I was at work.
At the very beginning of this case Ron made a statement that he was 75% sure he knew who did this. Well, who is it?

No Ron didn't make that statement, Crystal said Ron told Chad and her brother that and she later said not Chad, after Chad had to go talk to detectives. Crystal said Ron just told her brother. I doubt Ron said that to the brother either.

 

[kittylyn461]

Yes and it is extremely insulting to those who did live through and are living through just such an experience to negate the fact that it happens.

imo but to put our personal feelings into one families tragedy and use it to make it all better for what happen to us is not right either. DCF did a thorough and if iirc there should link in the media file in regards to they extended it to be sure that they didn't miss anything. so in my eyes once again we are taking it out content and putting our own personal spin on it is not going to bring haleigh back is it? also imo that after 5 months they have kept the focus on ron and misty and no haleigh so imo they need to go elsewhere and start over. maybe then haleigh will be found again this is jmo .

 

[cajun]

We all know RC broke the law with regards to his relationship with Misty. It is posted at least 3 times a day. We all know RC had old drugs charges (though not 12 charges that has been stated over and over) as that is posted several times a day as well. These things do not make RC guilty of harming Haleigh nor do they mean RC abused his children. DCF has closed the file stating they found no abuse. I realize some slip thru the cracks, however this case is unique as the world was watching them closely. They had pressure from an attorney and from locals coming out of the woodwork with claims (at least that is what we have been told), a child from the home is missing, I find it hard to believe that DCF did not do a very thorough and complete investigation before closing this file. I for one am thankful that they did not cave to the pressure and remove JR from his home simply to please the public who has already tried and convicted RC.

 

[kittylyn461]

Just wonder if Ron has found another job. He and his family can't live off Grandma and Crystal's payments forever.....or can they? Does anyone know if either of them is working?

bbm

this is her obligation to her children

 

[mysticrose]

We all know RC broke the law with regards to his relationship with Misty. It is posted at least 3 times a day. We all know RC had old drugs charges (though not 12 charges that has been stated over and over) as that is posted several times a day as well. These things do not make RC guilty of harming Haleigh nor do they mean RC abused his children. DCF has closed the file stating they found no abuse. I realize some slip thru the cracks, however this case is unique as the world was watching them closely. They had pressure from an attorney and from locals coming out of the woodwork with claims (at least that is what we have been told), a child from the home is missing, I find it hard to believe that DCF did not do a very thorough and complete investigation before closing this file. I for one am thankful that they did not cave to the pressure and remove JR from his home simply to please the public who has already tried and convicted RC.

I havent tried and convicted Ron, Misty, Crystal, or Chad. To me there is not enough evidence to support any of them. I do not believe any of them had anything to do with it, at least not at this time. Until I can recieve any more info, I have a few theories that I toss around. Do I feel Ron has made bad choices you bet, but you could say that for most of the players in the picture here, I have made bad choices. Do I think DCF makes mistakes, yes I do. In order to find any thing wrong in a home you literally have to be a junkie, prostitute for them to remove a child and that is if the child is lucky, but that is JMO and everyone has one.
I do feel that DCF looked good and hard at this case because of the magnitude of it, I am grateful they said everything is OK I just pray they are right.
I am here for Haleigh not Ron, not Crystal. I find it disturbing the seperation or division this forum has came to at times where no one can get past particular people to see a "different view" tunnel vision will get us no where.
I appreciate everyones posts and points of view as it makes me think about other possibilities and I do enjoy reading them, that is why I come here. I come here in hopes that maybe just one of my posts can make a difference in the lives for Haleigh or any other case I choose to post in. Nothing would make me happier.
I always like to keep an open mind because as soon as it closes it can't be good.