Ron C. #7

[lonetraveler]

Thanks Cajun!

So, if LE had the gun, then they took it for a reason:

1. They may have took it due to RC's behavior and threats.
2. They located the gun that night outside the MH

Could be both reasons but a wise move was to remove it from RC's possession either way.

So if LE found the gun in the home, there is no motive for TN or M to explain or even talk about a fight with a cousin/gun.

But if LE located the gun outside of the home, there is very good reason for them to give an explanation of why it was located where it was found.

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OMG, I have searched sites all day about this gun story and I do remember that I read that LE had returned the 9mm to Ron and did not feel that he was a threat. I don't know when the gun was supposedly found in the ditch following the reported fight with the cousin who reportedly stole the gun from Ron. Whew!!!!!!! Makes you wonder how the cousin supposedly got his hands on the gun in the first place. If the story is proven to be true, does this indicate that the cousin has been inside of the mobile home prior to Haleigh disappearing? This could open the door to all kinds of scenarios. Does that mean that if his fingerprints are ever found on anything taken as evidence from the mobile home that this will be explained away as when he supposedly stole the gun? In some of the many reports of the cousin stealing the gun and the proposed fight that ensued, the episode happened either a day or two days prior to Haleigh disappearing. Some of the reports have the gun episode two to three weeks prior??? How this cousin can afford to travel back and forth from Tennessee looks a bit strange anyway, JMO. Really wish I knew if this story was true. I would have a lot of questions concerning how the cousin got his hands on Ron's gun. Oh well.

 

[Whisperer]

We have several reports saying the incident occurred the weekend of Feb 7th. TN has updated to it to 2 weeks prior. Ron denies it ever happened. RC does not want to go there....period.

1. Did RC leave the gun in back of the MH to hide it?
2. Were Tn & the Croslins trying to give him an out?
3. Is RC wanting to keep JO out of this for a reason we haven't figured out yet.

Now, I will attempt to track down the video where Hardy says JO was visiting. If he were visiting that day, Misty never reported it. She also never reported GGMA visiting either. Of course there are updates later adding that they were....sheeeesh!

There are two things RC states:
1. There was no fight with a cousin....he has no enemies
2. There was no argument about a gun.

This whole mess with all the opposite statements and lack of who was /wasn't in the MH that day leads all to get suspicious of his/their veracity.

 

[Busylady]

If you will read my post I did not say there was not a situation with a gun. I said that if a physical altercation did not occur RC stating there was no fight with a cousin over a gun is not a lie. I also stated I would look to see if I could find anything where RC states there is no gun - if he states that then there is a discrepancies in stories. It has nothing to do with believing everything he states it has to do with looking at what he states as well as everyone else and not jumping to conclusions.

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So I guess if you say that Ron denies that the fight ever happened, we should just pack our suitcases, do a high five and go back home. Case closed. Misty, her father, her mother, Ron's mother state that there was a confrontation over the gun and that it was stolen from Ron, after the confrontation the gun was supposedly found in a ditch. I guess the Croslins and his mother failed to check with Ron on the correct tale prior to making the statements. OK.
Here is one of many links covering the report of the fight about a gun. There are also reports of Misty and Teresa but as mentioned above, all of this has been brought to light. It all comes down to if you believe everything that Ron states or you take his words into account just as you do with everyone's statements. Flip a coin. True or False?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661

 

[Busylady]

The word "confrontation" was my word. If you don't mind I perfer to have my own opinion, you can keep yours if you would like. The story about the fight and the gun can possibly be very relevant to this case. The finger was pointed at the cousin very early by Misty, Ron's mother as well as Misty's father and mother. This story provided a basis for LE to contact this cousin and also to take the tip of a Haleigh sighting very seriously. Could definitely be a red herring but who knows. Ron also stated "no gun, no fight". He obviously isn't on the same page as the others. I glad that you have closed this chapter and can now go on with your other avenues. However, there are some of us who feel that there could be a lot to this story that hasn't been told and its the untold parts that could be a very valuable clue. I have not closed the door on any possibilities and will not until LE states what or who has been investigated and cleared. Maybe packing a bag is what needs to be done so that "doubting Thomases" will not mock and hinder someone's sleuthing. I feel that all posters here should feel free to offer their opinons or thoughts on this case.

BBM - I would love nothing more than the bolded portion to happen. But in order for that to work, EVERYONE needs to respect everyone elses opinions regardless if they agree with them or not.

 

[Busylady]

BBM

LOL you totally agree with the post, yet you just did opposite of what the post stated. Shaking head - makes no sense to me.

ita, lone.

LOL - I was waiting for the word mincing (argument vs fight vs physical fight, yada, yada, yada) to start. Anything to avoid actually discussing the actual discrepancies.

But, moving back on topic, to me the key issues about the gun/argument/fight/etc are:

1. Why are the stories different ?
2. Who would have a motive to lie ?
3. Was the gun/argument/fight a contributing factor in Haleigh's disappearance ?

 

[Whisperer]

I saw the LOL in your statement and know you have a sense of humor, Shaymus.

To try and answer your questions that you were asking:

I think the motive would be to get ahead of possible accusations of RC harming Haleigh and by putting the cousin, possible fight and a gun, it deflects interests in RC.

TN and M may have wanted to make an excuse for Ron....He didn't want it or need it but it wasn't discussed with him first.

If Ron is lying and there really was a fight, there has to be a VERY good reason on why he would deny it, if it really happened. Were drugs involved in the fight? Only thing at the moment that makes comes to mind. If JO visited, RC does not want it known.

If there wasn't a fight; then TN and Misty must know that somebody significant found that gun and it needed to be explained away.....they thought they were helping

Which one is lying? Here we go again.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

BBM

LOL you totally agree with the post, yet you just did opposite of what the post stated. Shaking head - makes no sense to me.

LOL - don't shake your head too hard - you could hurt something. Now, back on topic, who do you think might have had a motive to lie.

 

[Whisperer]

I agree iwth you, Shaymus. I hope we can get back on target.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Maybe start with one person and see if we can find a motive for them to lie ? Someone earlier today mentioned that maybe Hank and Lisa were just backing up Misty - trying to move the focus off her ? Who first mentioned the fight over the gun ?

 

[Whisperer]

I am guessing, Misty.

.we have to keep in mind that JO is a relative who Misty says she didn't like at all. I don't know how relevant it is, but must be considered.

... But it makes sense it was Misty because the LE got on him right away.

 

[Whisperer]

She left out that he was visiting at the MH that day...needs to be researched but I don't know if we can verify. IIRC, Hardy says he was told that he was....I will leave now and try to find info on that.

 

[lonetraveler]

It seems to be taking me a little longer to find the link about the gun and where it was found. Trying to get ready to go to our mountain cabin for a few days. Let me tell you packin up for three kids is not easy..lol. I'll keep looking because I know its there somewhere bear with me...

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I have a great idea mysticrose, you don't worry about this case, pack your family up and head for the hills. However, if you take me along, I promise to stay out of your hair, take my laptop and I will put any updates on your refrigerator to view at your convenience.........:crazy: Really, go have fun, don't even think about this case, be with your family, that is the important thing.

 

[lonetraveler]

Maybe start with one person and see if we can find a motive for them to lie ? Someone earlier today mentioned that maybe Hank and Lisa were just backing up Misty - trying to move the focus off her ? Who first mentioned the fight over the gun ?

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I believe that someone was me. The link below is only three days following Haleigh's disappearance. I am looking for the link I found earlier today to see if Misty started the idea of her cousin Joe.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132845

 

[lonetraveler]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498704,00.html
the incident about the gun and the cousin are mentioned here by Teresa Neves. But when you read about Teresa N.'s comments it appears to me to be third party.

 

[Busylady]

First I have to figure out if anyone is lying at all. I can't see any reason for any of them to lie about the gun situation, they would know full well LE is gonna investigate the situation and if they are lying they would be busted. From everything I have read so far that are direct quotes for those involved and from viewing videos, I believe their was a gun situation, that RC confronted JO gun was returned (haven't figured out the ditch part yet) end of story.

LOL - don't shake your head too hard - you could hurt something. Now, back on topic, who do you think might have had a motive to lie.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am guessing, Misty.

.we have to keep in mind that JO is a relative who Misty says she didn't like at all. I don't know how relevant it is, but must be considered.

... But it makes sense it was Misty because the LE got on him right away.

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Misty gave up Joe the cousin very early in the investigation as well as on several talk shows. But if we remember, Ron disputes his bride's stories about the gun and fight incident. IMO, off the record, Ron is not being very smart here. Why on earth would he deny the information about the gun theft and the fight as well as the recovery of the gun found hidden in the ditch if the story provides a theory of what happened to Haleigh???? You would think that he would have jumped on that theory if it would make him look innocent. I can't figure this out unless Misty, her parents and Ron's mother spoke without speaking with Ron.

 

[lonetraveler]

First I have to figure out if anyone is lying at all. I can't see any reason for any of them to lie about the gun situation, they would know full well LE is gonna investigate the situation and if they are lying they would be busted. From everything I have read so far that are direct quotes for those involved and from viewing videos, I believe their was a gun situation, that RC confronted JO gun was returned (haven't figured out the ditch part yet) end of story.

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My thoughts on the situation: There was a gun situation. There are several people who say there was one. Ron seems to be the only one who is denying it. I will venture out and say that in the south, if asked about a weapon, you totally deny having one in the first place and if you are confronted with a story that someone stole yours and you beat the hell out of them and later recovered the gun, you never, ever admit it. 99.9% of the time, you do not register your weapon. That is just the fact, jack. That way you do not have to account for it. I think that is the case here. Ron did not want LE to know about the weapon, so he denied having it, the fight did not happen and that is that. I can imagine that he was genuinely upset over the stories that were published from Misty's kinfolk and his own mother. I would imagine that he was pretty pis***. I don't know if the 9mm that LE confiscated was the one and same that was stolen, I thinking not. IMO, a southern boy would never have just one pistol. And you can take that as you please. I've been a southerner for 56 years and have handled about every weapon imaginable. Glad you do not know my real name at this point.

 

[Busylady]

Could it be because Haleigh was missing, they did not really care if LE knew about the gun, they wanted to provide any information they could that might help find Haleigh? That they didnt care if RC got in trouble about having an unregistered weapon, that was stolen, then returned and he didnt report the incident to the police at that time. It just makes no sense to me for any of them to lie about a gun that might get RC in trouble, if their entire purpose of lying was to protect RC and Misty.

 

[lonetraveler]

First I have to figure out if anyone is lying at all. I can't see any reason for any of them to lie about the gun situation, they would know full well LE is gonna investigate the situation and if they are lying they would be busted. From everything I have read so far that are direct quotes for those involved and from viewing videos, I believe their was a gun situation, that RC confronted JO gun was returned (haven't figured out the ditch part yet) end of story.

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Busy, if Misty, Misty's parents, Ron's mother are making statements about the stolen gun, Misty's cousin stealing the gun, the fight between Ron and Joe the cousin and that the gun was recovered from a ditch and then Ron states, no fight no gun: somebody is lying. I did not write the story. It is just there. How do you explain that?

 

[lonetraveler]

Could it be because Haleigh was missing, they did not really care if LE knew about the gun, they wanted to provide any information they could that might help find Haleigh? That they didnt care if RC got in trouble about having an unregistered weapon, that was stolen, then returned and he didnt report the incident to the police at that time. It just makes no sense to me for any of them to lie about a gun that might get RC in trouble, if their entire purpose of lying was to protect RC and Misty.

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I totally agree with you, these people were trying to find Haleigh, come what may. They did not care if anyone got into trouble. IMO, they were offering what information they had. Most of them were kin to this cousin, yet they still came forward with the information. If you have a conscience, there is only so much lying you should be willing to do, imo. They obviously wanted LE to know that there was a chance that a retaliation might have occurred, following the altercation with the gun between Joe and Ron.