Ron C. #7

[lonetraveler]

It would make sense to me that he was there to visit Misty some point during his month stay in Crescent City. We know he was staying with Chelsea. I do not believe he was there the night Haleigh disappeared to visit. I think if he was that would of been added to the list of who visited simply because that would point the finger even more his direction if that is what Misty and RC were trying to do. I don't believe RC is a dealer so hard for me go with the JO was there for a buy vs just there visiting family. I am not saying RC doesnt smoke a joint here and there, but I honestly see nothing that indicates he is a dealer in any way.

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I was looking at his past history of charges for drugs. It is very hard for a leopard to change its spots. When looking at possible scenarios it is very difficult to ignore the past and the current history of the area as far as drugs are concerned. When you look at the criminal activities of the area, it almost seems as if this is a regular job. Do we know what the cousin drove? Do we know if Misty's brother walked over that night or drove?

 

[Whisperer]

I don't know anything about the car he drove. I just know that I seldom ever believe human eye witnesses. I know it is possible but 99% of the time, they are wrong.

 

[mysticrose]

I thought of that LT but it is my opinion that, if he is the perp, the case would have been solved. There should have been evidence of Haleigh in his car. The FBI interviewed him. He was cleared but later Hardy retracted everyone and said no one is cleared....never understood that statement; unless he was putting it out there to make the real perp/s think the LE has no clue.....they've convinced me....lol

Ron denying an opportunity to get off the hook does not make sense, but in crime, often times there is no logic.

The only reason I see RC denying his visit is a drug connection....whether it is Misty connecting ...IDK but RC wants no part of this guy associated with himself.

BBM:

The one reason I have in regards to Ron denying this fight is that if he felt JO had something to do with Haleigh missing he wouldn't want to fuel the fire so to speak ,for fear of he may harm Haleigh.

I do not believe JO had his own car. My understanding is he rode down with someone else, so LE , FBI would need to be searching that particular car for eveidence..

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm expecting us to get a warning that we are off topic and we need to move to the theories thread, but I guess we will wait until "invited" to move. ?

 

[Peliman]

Just looking through some reports, I came across this.

Haleigh's Father Reportedly Had a Fight Day Before She Disappeared
Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard Created: 2/18/2009 6:30:20 PM Updated: 2/19/2009 9:03:44 AM

SATSUMA, FL -- Family members of Ronald Cummings say he got into a fight with another man over a gun one day before his daughter disappeared.

A relative told First Coast News Cummings accused the other man of stealing a gun. The relative could not remember the name of the man or where the fight happened.

The relative said the man disappeared the next day and the gun was found in a ditch.

No word on the type of gun, but on the night Haleigh disappeared, Cummings told responding deputies he had a 9 mm Beretta handgun and would kill the person who had taken his child.

Authorities would not comment on the claim.

An FBI expert told First Coast News with the investigation at this stage, authorities take a really close look at anything unusual in the hours, days and weeks before a child's disappearance.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661

Later the story changes to a couple weeks before, so there ya have it, clear as mud.

 

[Busylady]

I look at the past criminal records (which have been greatly exagerated by some with regards to quantity and charges) I do believe people can change especially once you have children. If we want to base current activity on past charges then most of the family one one side would be drug dealers. I believe JO had access to a lincoln or cadillac owned by girlfriend or girl acquaintance.

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I was looking at his past history of charges for drugs. It is very hard for a leopard to change its spots. When looking at possible scenarios it is very difficult to ignore the past and the current history of the area as far as drugs are concerned. When you look at the criminal activities of the area, it almost seems as if this is a regular job. Do we know what the cousin drove? Do we know if Misty's brother walked over that night or drove?

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM:

The one reason I have in regards to Ron denying this fight is that if he felt JO had something to do with Haleigh missing he wouldn't want to fuel the fire so to speak ,for fear of he may harm Haleigh.

I do not believe JO had his own car. My understanding is he rode down with someone else, so LE , FBI would need to be searching that particular car for eveidence..

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Have I been reading too much on the Rumor mill that I wonder if he was maybe borrowing the van? Could it be a possibility? Does anyone know when he really left the area?

 

[Whisperer]

Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.


The cousin had visited the mobile home she shared with Cummings but was told not to come back when a gun in the house turned up missing around the same time, she said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...=2&Haleigh's_family_life_unstable_from_start=

Thanks Busy,

You have to wonder why he was visiting at all if she didn't like him and he abused her even though he was a child too (a convenient fact that was omitted)

Have you noticed how vague she is?....she says just enough to make you wonder but never enough to know anything is certain or a reality.

 

[mysticrose]

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Have I been reading too much on the Rumor mill that I wonder if he was maybe borrowing the van? Could it be a possibility? Does anyone know when he really left the area?

No one really knows the exact time he left, just that he was gone the same day Haleigh went missing.

 

[Busylady]

I don't know what the situation is with the messing with her. I don't know if they had discussed it and came to terms with it or what. But IMO it doesnt make a dang bit of difference if he was the same age as she was, "messing" with someone is wrong regardless of age. I know you don't care for Misty but it is this kind of attitude that prevents people from reporting sexual assaults JMO

You have to wonder why he was visiting at all if she didn't like him and he abused her even though he was a kid too (a convenient fact that was omitted)

 

[lonetraveler]

Dont be to sure whisperer. Jo lawyered up when he got to TN. I dont know how much diggin you've done on him but I can see it very possible this guy could get away with quite alot w/ the help of his friends...JMO of course

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Man, whisperer, you just had to bring up the friends bit. It immediately made me think about "O", Ron's bestest friend that just went and disappeared just before the wedding. That really nags at me. I'm wondering just what Ron's bestest friend would do for him, KWIM? I'm also wondering what would come between them. This brings me to another scenario involving Ron. I don't even think I will start to discuss this scenario tonight. I don't have the energy.

 

[Busylady]

IMO If I was O I would of ran fast as I could away from the media etc after the black man story came out. Also he is not RC best friend, his best friend has not been named in the media so can't go there. JMO

 

[Whisperer]

OMG..I almost forgot about him...he disappeared in a few days. He walked with them and towered over them like a bodyguard.....I thought he was.

Yeah, we better save it...

 

[lonetraveler]

No one really knows the exact time he left, just that he was gone the same day Haleigh went missing.

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I have read so many different stories about Joe today that my mind is scrambled. I have read that the gun episode happened anywhere from one to two days prior to Haleigh disappearance to two to three weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance. Has there been any confirmation of either? Was there two different trips from Tennessee to Satsuma? Or just one? I have heard over and over that he left town the same time that Haleigh disappeared. So, just for argument sake I'm going with that one. I guess it doesn't matter if the gun incident happened two to three weeks ago or one to two day prior? What do y'all think? Could a grudge last that long? I guess so if a whupping was involved. I don't think it would last that long if a whupping was not part of the negotiation.

 

[Whisperer]

IMO If I was O I would of ran fast as I could away from the media etc after the black man story came out. Also he is not RC best friend, his best friend has not been named in the media so can't go there. JMO

I thought he vanished WAY before that..

I never heard of RC having another male friend...just him..oh well!

 

[Busylady]

Very good point!

ETA: That could also explain the quick he is cleared - to later he is not cleared (after he lawyered up).

Has anyone considered that LE told Ronald to play down the whole situation over the gun with JO? Maybe it was LE that didn't want to fuel the fire in case Haleigh was with JO. If she was still alive, it would place Haleigh at even more risk after Misty came out with the story of her abuse as a child. Maybe LE wanted it all to die down for a reason.

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO If I was O I would of ran fast as I could away from the media etc after the black man story came out. Also he is not RC best friend, his best friend has not been named in the media so can't go there. JMO

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I have heard that he was a best friend but then again I can't remember where I heard it so I'll just shut up on that one. How soon did "O" leave the scene before the wedding? Wasn't this before the "black man took Haleigh story"? I think so. However, I don't blame him for leaving the scene since he was the only black man around Ron.

 

[mysticrose]

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I have read so many different stories about Joe today that my mind is scrambled. I have read that the gun episode happened anywhere from one to two days prior to Haleigh disappearance to two to three weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance. Has there been any confirmation of either? Was there two different trips from Tennessee to Satsuma? Or just one? I have heard over and over that he left town the same time that Haleigh disappeared. So, just for argument sake I'm going with that one. I guess it doesn't matter if the gun incident happened two to three weeks ago or one to two day prior? What do y'all think? Could a grudge last that long? I guess so if a whupping was involved. I don't think it would last that long if a whupping was not part of the negotiation.

I've know people to carry grudges a long time..years in fact..it PO'd them that much..

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching
Has anyone considered that LE told Ronald to play down the whole situation over the gun with JO? Maybe it was LE that didn't want to fuel the fire in case Haleigh was with JO. If she was still alive, it would place Haleigh at even more risk after Misty came out with the story of her abuse as a child. Maybe LE wanted it all to die down for a reason.

LOL I deleted it, but you caught me. I didn't want to start anything up...just wanted to mention this.

 

[Busylady]

I need to clarify this. I was told by a female attorney this information when she explained to me her job was to dig up dirt on RC for custody, she gave his name and then said of course she didnt get any dirt on RC from him not that she thought she would but she had to try. So take it for what it is worth.
JMO

I thought he vanished WAY before that..

I never heard of RC having another male friend...just him..oh well!