Ron C. #8

[Whisperer]

Well, maybe there is a list on page 5...we do not have it..so all is moot.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Take note that for all of RC's talk, he didn't have his gun with him outside..so I guess he was not going to shoot any perp after all. RC talks real big..

Gee...how many times have we said that Ronald was simply frustrated, angry, and filled with the terror of having a missing child?! He had no real intention of harming anyone that night.

 

[VolLady]

I noticed what could be a mistake in this report, imo (at least, I hope it is a mistake). It says a canvass of the neighborhood was not conducted during the 6 hours spent at the scene which is the Investigative Time given at the end of the report.

One of several mistakes. Haleigh's gender and Crystal's age were wrong too. I guess he meant he didn't do a canvass because we know that it was done.

 

[Whisperer]

I have written many incident reports and you would be surprised what happens when it is transcribed.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The police report indicates gun was inside the residence. I am sure LE checked the gun out that was inside the house for their own safety.

You bet they would!! They had no reason to take Ronald's gun, but they did have a reason to make certain of where it was located and to insure it was unloaded.

 

[Whisperer]

I noticed Crystal was on the report...that should mean they spoke with her. She must have been there within six hours because the report was completed in that time.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, maybe there is a list on page 5...we do not have it..so all is moot.

If there was an additional list, it would be mentioned in the section where it was applicable.

The only thing missing from this report are the signatures...so I would assume the last page is where the officer signed the report and others signed off on it.

 

[Whisperer]

The gun should have been taken...in fact any firearms in that house should have been taken given the emotional status of the parent.

On this report, during the first six hours..no gun was taken.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I noticed Crystal was on the report...that should mean they spoke with her. She must have been there within six hours because the report was completed in that time.

No, it doesn't. They took down her information from Teresa in order to contact her, imo. If they had spoken directly to Crystal, they would know she did not have a job and would list her as unemployed instead of UNKNOWN. They have everyone else's job status completed.

 

[Busylady]

As well as her birthdate being correct.

No, it doesn't. They took down her information from Teresa in order to contact her, imo. If they had spoken directly to Crystal, they would know she did not have a job and would list her as unemployed instead of UNKNOWN. They have everyone else's job status completed.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I remember reading about the gun being taken and given back, but I have searched and searched for the article that talks about the gun and LE and have not been able to find it as of yet. I am beginning to wonder if it is something I read downstairs and there was no article, but I will keep looking and let you know what I come up with.

Thank you ! I'll keep looking also and let you know if I find something.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The gun should have been taken...in fact any firearms in that house should have been taken given the emotional status of the parent.

On this report, during the first six hours..no gun was taken.

In what country? Ronald legally owned the gun and had every right to keep it in his possession...upset or not. He obviously made no attempt to grab for it or in any way make the officers feel threatened by the gun in the house. They could not take it without just cause. They didn't have any. Even LE saw that Ronald was distraught over his daughter's disappearance and was not going to cause harm to anyone.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Are there 2 police reports??

I was searching about the gun that was returned to Ronald and on this thread it was said the gun was listed on the original police report

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79959&highlight=gun&page=2

I don't know. That was my original question several days ago. I've read posts that state the gun was listed, but it doesn't indicate that on the only LE Report I've found. I've posted a link to that report upthread.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

As well as her birthdate being correct.

Yes. Excellent point, Busy!!

The officer would have also mentioned her arrival like they did when Teresa got there. She was not present during those six hours, imo.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

We know they took their phones for a while and that isn't on the report either. Remember them saying they gave the family a list of all they took when they said something was missing that should be with Haleigh? I don't think that report is a final list.

I don't think he would have told them he had a gun in the house if he had removed it already. What would be the point in that?

IIRC, Misty told a friend not to call her because LE had taken the phones and she was concerned they might've been bugged. Do we have any other indication that they took the cell phones ? If so, where can I look for that ?

The LE Report states that Ron was so incredibly upset that he was not able to provide them with any useful information. There was no point in him mentioning the gun at all.

But you are certainly correct about the LE Report not being the final list ! Didn't they have access to the mh for about a month ?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

The police report indicates gun was inside the residence. I am sure LE checked the gun out that was inside the house for their own safety.

Well, if they had checked for the gun, and maybe they did, it would seem as if it should've been confiscated. They have a parent who is so upset, he is unable to provide any useful information in the search for his child. That same parent is threatening to use a automatic handgun. I would think that the gun would be removed as a precaution. The report indicates that Ron was taken to the police station for questioning, so maybe that's why they didn't take the gun ?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

You bet they would!! They had no reason to take Ronald's gun, but they did have a reason to make certain of where it was located and to insure it was unloaded.

What would be a reason to verify the gun's location and ensure it is unloaded ?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, if they had checked for the gun, and maybe they did, it would seem as if it should've been confiscated. They have a parent who is so upset, he is unable to provide any useful information in the search for his child. That same parent is threatening to use a automatic handgun. I would think that the gun would be removed as a precaution. The report indicates that Ron was taken to the police station for questioning, so maybe that's why they didn't take the gun ?

They cannot legally walk into his house and take his gun. He did not have it in his possession as it was in the house. The so-called threats were made under dire circumstances as he had just learned his child was missing. This would not be unusual for LE to hear from a victim's family.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

In what country? Ronald legally owned the gun and had every right to keep it in his possession...upset or not. He obviously made no attempt to grab for it or in any way make the officers feel threatened by the gun in the house. They could not take it without just cause. They didn't have any. Even LE saw that Ronald was distraught over his daughter's disappearance and was not going to cause harm to anyone.

We don't know whether or not Ron legally owned the gun.

I don't know, but I would hope, that LE has cause to remove lethal weapons if an extremely emotional individual has threatened to use them. I doubt LE has the right to keep the weapons, but to remove them in an emergency situation, I hope they have that right. Maybe a legal person will chime in and clear this up for us.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What would be a reason to verify the gun's location and ensure it is unloaded ?

Anytime LE enters a residence, if the person tells them there is a weapon in the home...they want to know exactly where it is located for their protection. I would say it is a DAYUM good reason to want to verify it!