Ron C. #9

[Shaymus at The Rock]

My choice would be #2 on your list.. I cannot see Ron C covering for Misty if he thought for a second she was the one responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

ITA - nor can I see TN or AS covering for anyone other than Ron.

 

[Emeralgem]

Jr could hear a bouncing couch that was located in another room and he could hear squeaky shoes walking in an area in the MH that most probably wasn't carpeted, but he couldn't hear Ron or Misty if they were in another room? That doesn't make too much sense to me. Child was most probably too terrified to utter a word considering all the cussing and screaming Ron was doing at Misty and the dispatch operator..JMO

 

[raeann]

FWIW....and speaking for myself only....I did not at any time "pre-judge" RC or MC! I do not "want" them to be guilty of anything. I certainly do not want anyone to "take the fall" for something they did not do, meanwhile letting someone else who is guilty go free! I have never been in an abusive relationship, nor do I have any family members who have drug problems---in fact, no one from MY family even drinks alcohol or smokes.

I find it insulting to be accused of these things as if I do not have the intelligence to look at the facts available, the video evidence, and the documented actions of the people involved in this case in order to come to an obvious conclusion. I hold no prejudice against any one of these people because of their economic status, education, or social skills.

I fervently HOPE that no one has harmed Haleigh, that NONE of her family is involved in any type of crime against her, BUT I am not delusional about the probabilities of her fate, either. In addition, I have never interpreted the comments made by any poster to be hatred toward RC or MC--it is simply an attempt by these posters to quantify what their actions and behavior and inconsistencies may indicate. Enough said, and JMOO!

 

[CeeKer]

OH Ceeker....nice try...and deflection, I might add. The video is about Ron lying/not lying...which is it BTW?

This was before the issue of custody was filed and KP entered. Ron did not have a chance at the time of THIS interview as the Custody and Crystal wanting JP with her so he would be safe had not been filed yet.

I guess you missed the point of the video interview posted above #75...RC said both children were in bed with Misty as Misty reported to LE and it is documented on the incident Report in the Sheriff's department.

Ok I think I get it now. LOL. What I quoted had nothing to do with the video, I hadn't even seen it when I posted that. And it only generally had to do with your quote (the bolded part in the original post, reproduced below), I was using it as a jumping off point and should have done it better LOL

BBM

he never misses an opportunity to discuss his custody.

I realize Custody hadn't been challenged by CS yet, that was my point... without CS's camp and the way they've approached the situation Ron would NOT have been on TV discussing Custody and saying anything negative about CS at all, he wanted to work together. But that was impossible, so I don't see how he can be blamed for what some perceive as his harsh attacks on CS or how some say he brings up what a good father he is all the time. Other things have been said (not specifically you, just in general) that indicate to me some think RC started the mudslinging. My point was HE wanted to work together and it could have happened but for CS.

The article was published Thurs. Feb. 12. The rumor mill wouldn't have run rampant with stuff LE had to spend precious time chasing down these last few months either if CS's camp hadn't made a spectacle out of it in my opinion.

Although he did not get into specifics, Ronald Cummings said the two families had held a vigil together Tuesday night but Sheffield and her family went to a different location Wednesday.

"I feel we should come together and join forces because obviously together we could be stronger," he said.

Cummings has primary custody of Haleigh, and Crystal Sheffield has her daughter every other weekend. Cummings said he expects to keep primary custody when she is returned. He added that he also wanted to dispute any ideas about the disappearance of Haleigh being related to the custody issue.

"I just want it cleared up this is not a custody battle," he said.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090212/ARTICLES/902120298

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Or he could have been too scared to cry out. Many children that hear loud talking, arguing, banging noises, etc. will just huddle up in a corner and try to be invisible, so they don't end up getting hurt. I'm sure as soon as TN got there, she took him outside or even handed him off to someone in the family. LE probably would not have been in a hurry to interview him, but if they were, they had to get a child psychologist to talk to him and I'm sure there wasn't one at the scene at 4:00 a.m.

I think he might have been terrified if he had witnessed his father turning "the house upside down" to search. So you could be right about him huddled somewhere. There's a definite possibility of that.

But you know, it still doesn't explain why there is no mention of him. Was he in Misty's arms when Ron allegedly drove up ? If so, there is no mention of him. If not, had he been left alone in the bedroom his sister had just allegedly been abducted from - and the door the abductor allegedly used was still left wide open ? No rush to get Jr and make sure he's ok ? Just odd. IMO

 

[CeeKer]

BBM.....but just listen to her interview after getting the marriage license or the one with TN in front of the convenience store after returning from New York. Misty's communication skills are in no way hampered when she KNOWS what she is talking about. When it is something she actually experienced as opposed to something she is "supposed" to say, she has quite adequate communication skills.

As to seeing them in a certain position when he got home.....what are you saying there? If they (Misty and Haleigh) were in ANY BED AT ALL when RC got home, then we have some really, really big problems with the stories here!

First Bold paragraph IMO, I don't think it's equitable to compare someone's (a 17 yr olds esp.) communication skills in a life and death situation, under unbelieveable stress, dealing with family, police, FBI, FDLE during the first 24 to 48 hours...with lack of sleep, stress, pressure etc. to communication in a happier time.

IMO Misty's communication skills at another less stressful time would obviously be different... or we'd be discussing that fact possibly (oh my why didn't Misty's affect change, maybe she was well rehearsed). Just not fair in my opinion.

Second Bold paragraph. The "they" I was referring to was the beds not the people, I thought that was clear but I guess it wasn't! See how easy it is to misunderstand people? Even when your life isn't falling apart???? If you later repeated to the media what you thought I said, then later I explained, and you went back to the media and said another thing... see how confusing things get when people don't communicate well?

Until we have facts that someone is lying about beds, or that it matters, IMO, I'm leaving it at verbal idiosyncracies in a time of more stress than most of us have ever experienced esp at 17 years old...

 

[kamky]

Jr could hear a bouncing couch that was located in another room and he could hear squeaky shoes walking in an area in the MH that most probably wasn't carpeted, but he couldn't hear Ron or Misty if they were in another room? That doesn't make too much sense to me. Child was most probably too terrified to utter a word considering all the cussing and screaming Ron was doing at Misty and the dispatch operator..JMO

Keep in mind that none of this is fact. It is all gossip, heresay, and rumor. This child was said to have made these statements by a parent whose statements as to what the child said evolved over time. LE interviewed the child on the night in question and they, only they, know what the actual statements are that he made. As such, we should would be wise to not believe any of this until we have an official statement or documentation.

 

[CeeKer]

I'm sure that this has been discussed and re-discussed to death but I took "his alibi still stands" to mean "that is the alibi he has given and is sticking with." i.e. that alibi still stands as his narrative of that night. Also, don't the pings only tell where his cell phone was with or without him? Or is that not how it works?

I wish there would be some new (and verifiably factual) information in this case. I really do.

I am still not sure of what happened to Haleigh, where it happened, and when it happened. Was she even at home that night?

Just realized I am spilling over to a different thread so I will hush now.

Hi Gracenote. I hear what you're saying about the pings, etc.

"The alibi stands" quote was said very early in the case. Very recently AH reported, after talking to investigators "So far, Cummings has a solid alibi." (Links in my original post #85). IMO I guess where I stand is LE has a lot of facts and backup we just don't have, if six months later, esp. in light of the polys, witnesses, thousands of tips, rumors, etc. they still are saying "so far, Cummings has a solid alibi" they must have enough "facts", more than we know from people we haven't heard from, to put that "out" there. Of course, it's only my opinion and LE isn't infalliable but I'm sure they're basing it on "something" (maybe they know Haleigh was home after he was accounted for, but of course nobody knows definitively what happened after that)

Like you, some confirmed facts would be much appreciated! I don't think LE does themselves any favors by letting so much of this stuff "hang" out there when things could be easily dismissed and they wouldn't have to be spending time chasing rumors all over the place...

 

[debs]

First Bold paragraph IMO, I don't think it's equitable to compare someone's (a 17 yr olds esp.) communication skills in a life and death situation, under unbelieveable stress, dealing with family, police, FBI, FDLE during the first 24 to 48 hours...with lack of sleep, stress, pressure etc. to communication in a happier time.

IMO Misty's communication skills at another less stressful time would obviously be different... or we'd be discussing that fact possibly (oh my why didn't Misty's affect change, maybe she was well rehearsed). Just not fair in my opinion.

What's a happier time in this situation? A month later Misty and Ronald got married in the midst of this nightmare that continues to this day. Misty's inability to maintain a storyline, to tell a consistent pattern of events is suspicious. Her age has nothing to do with it. Her inconsistencies reflect someone coaching her with what to say more than they do someone struggling to remember events on a traumatic night. People in shock tell only the basics of what they know. They don't waver from those basics. When they have distanced themselves from the time of the event, they are able to fill in smaller details. They don't change the major details. It took repeated appearances on camera from both Ronald and misty to settle into the main series of events we have today. These events still do not add up for me. Ronald knew they were inconsistent and he had to have asked about them.

Second Bold paragraph.

The "they" I was referring to was the beds not the people, I thought that was clear but I guess it wasn't! See how easy it is to misunderstand people? Even when your life isn't falling apart???? If you later repeated to the media what you thought I said, then later I explained, and you went back to the media and said another thing... see how confusing things get when people don't communicate well?

Until we have facts that someone is lying about beds, or that it matters, IMO, I'm leaving it at verbal idiosyncracies in a time of more stress than most of us have ever experienced esp at 17 years old...

You actually prove exactly the point that Ronald's statement about not discussing the inconsistencies is false. Raeann actually quoted you verbatim. She didn't THINK you said it. YOU thought you'd conveyed what you now claim to have meant. Only in backtracking and clearing it up can we see what you meant.

Only in later discussions regarding all the questions that arose with 1) how could the perp reach across Misty and take Haleigh off the big bed without waking Misty or Jr
2) how could the perp have gotten into the master bedroom without waking Jr sleeping on the couch in the living room
3) the tot bed had to be far enough away from the big bed, Jr on the other side of the big bed from the door, Misty zonked out because she's a heavy sleeper, to give the perp enough mobility room to get Haleigh and not disturb anyone in the same room.

Thanks for the inadvertent demonstration on how communication is essential!

 

[watchinginky]

I hope no one holds their breath for that statement to come out. For LE to even say they were satisfied was a huge commentary coming from them. IMO, they meant what they said and there is no reason to believe they were not *satisfied.

BBM and respectfully sniped for space. Trying to catch up.

Have you ever thought that just maybe, LE wants Ron to think they are satisfied with his work hours? Same thing with the timeline. Could be why LE is being so tight lipped about everything. Maybe if things were narrowed down more and made public, the guilty party(s) might decide to skip town. If LE is so "satisfied" with the work hours, then why hasn't Ron been cleared yet? Clearing the parents is usually the first thing done. Why hasn't this happened after almost 6 months? BIG RED FLAG.

I'm not anti-Ron or anti-Crystal. I'm here for Haleigh. Until the questions regarding the mh are cleared up, it's hard to move on in this case. The mh is supposedly the last place Haleigh was. IMO....the people that were with her last shouldn't be telling ANY lies and changing their stories. There is a five year old little girl missing.

Just my opinion.

 

[Emeralgem]

Keep in mind that none of this is fact. It is all gossip, heresay, and rumor. This child was said to have made these statements by a parent whose statements as to what the child said evolved over time. LE interviewed the child on the night in question and they, only they, know what the actual statements are that he made. As such, we should would be wise to not believe none of this until we have an official statement or documentation.

I'm well aware of that fact, however it was stated Jr. wouldn't necessarily have awakened if all that was going on was taking place in the kitchen or in other rooms in the mobile home so I interjected the information about the bouncing couch and the squeaky shoes since it was revealed that he said he heard both that night..
I also read that LE said they weren't going to discount what Jr. said eventhough they would not comment on what had been discussed with him.

 

[cajun]

Jr could hear a bouncing couch that was located in another room and he could hear squeaky shoes walking in an area in the MH that most probably wasn't carpeted, but he couldn't hear Ron or Misty if they were in another room? That doesn't make too much sense to me. Child was most probably too terrified to utter a word considering all the cussing and screaming Ron was doing at Misty and the dispatch operator..JMO

I don't think Jr. heard any bouncing couch or squeaky shoes. That whole story took a life of it's own.

 

[cajun]

BBM and respectfully sniped for space. Trying to catch up.

Have you ever thought that just maybe, LE wants Ron to think they are satisfied with his work hours? Same thing with the timeline. Could be why LE is being so tight lipped about everything. Maybe if things were narrowed down more and made public, the guilty party(s) might decide to skip town. If LE is so "satisfied" with the work hours, then why hasn't Ron been cleared yet? Clearing the parents is usually the first thing done. Why hasn't this happened after almost 6 months? BIG RED FLAG.

I'm not anti-Ron or anti-Crystal. I'm here for Haleigh. Until the questions regarding the mh are cleared up, it's hard to move on in this case. The mh is supposedly the last place Haleigh was. IMO....the people that were with her last shouldn't be telling ANY lies and changing their stories. There is a five year old little girl missing.

Just my opinion.

No. They had no reason to say it in the press if it were not true.

 

[CeeKer]

What's a happier time in this situation? A month later Misty and Ronald got married in the midst of this nightmare that continues to this day. Misty's inability to maintain a storyline, to tell a consistent pattern of events is suspicious. Her age has nothing to do with it. Her inconsistencies reflect someone coaching her with what to say more than they do someone struggling to remember events on a traumatic night. People in shock tell only the basics of what they know. They don't waver from those basics. When they have distanced themselves from the time of the event, they are able to fill in smaller details. They don't change the major details. It took repeated appearances on camera from both Ronald and misty to settle into the main series of events we have today. These events still do not add up for me. Ronald knew they were inconsistent and he had to have asked about them

You actually prove exactly the point that Ronald's statement about not discussing the inconsistencies is false. Raeann actually quoted you verbatim. She didn't THINK you said it. YOU thought you'd conveyed what you now claim to have meant. Only in backtracking and clearing it up can we see what you meant.

Only in later discussions regarding all the questions that arose with 1) how could the perp reach across Misty and take Haleigh off the big bed without waking Misty or Jr
2) how could the perp have gotten into the master bedroom without waking Jr sleeping on the couch in the living room
3) the tot bed had to be far enough away from the big bed, Jr on the other side of the big bed from the door, Misty zonked out because she's a heavy sleeper, to give the perp enough mobility room to get Haleigh and not disturb anyone in the same room.

Thanks for the inadvertent demonstration on how communication is essential!

BBM 1. I think my point was quite clear notwithstanding the fact that a more appropriate word choice would have made it less easy to argue the point.

BBM 2. If you care to go back and read my original discussion of this particular point, I never said that I believed RC's statement that they hadn't talked about it. HOWEVER I provided a very plausible explanation for why he answered that question in that way in a public arena. Just because he chose to answer it that way to a media interviewer (media being the operative word), no matter what the reason, I'm not going to see zebras when horses will do.

BBM 3. And now you've proven MY point. Sometimes going back and sorting things out doesn't constitute conspiracy.

BBM 4. Thank you for agreeing with me!

 

[Whisperer]

SS state that LE confirmed JR was present at the MH. How did they confirm that?

 

[Busylady]

The police report.

SS state that LE confirmed JR was present at the MH. How did they confirm that?

 

[Whisperer]

OH, the police report confirmed he was there?

 

[Busylady]

Yes it confirms he was at the mobile home when LE arrived.

OH, the police report confirmed he was there?

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Supplemental

 

[CeeKer]

BBM are mine

debs originally posted
It really is. This is the point I have been making all day. It IS about Misty's inconsistencies and Ronald's acceptance of them, endorsement of them, and correction of them until they get their story straight. I have said it repeatedly.

Did you mean to say "It is Possible" in the above? Several posts have espoused theories/explanations that would indicate other possibilities exist.

That is a foul view of fellow posters, to be sure, but it is NOT the view of the ones who have posted in this thread. They want to know why these two changed their story in tandem, erroneously at least twice, until settling upon the one story that is now commonplace, with every adamant objection to the possibility that they discussed the inconsistencies at all.

Which "They" are you referring to, it's not clear to me. I have posted in this thread and I have tried ad naseam to provide possible, plausible simple explanations for this confusion. IMO some just seem to want to cast aspersions on RC without admitting other, less nefarious, explanations are possible.

I neither like nor dislike Ronald Cummings. I can assure you, for myself, there are a million more people more than ready to state they can identify his ilk immediately. What I know is that Ronald stated that he never asked Misty regarding the inconsistencies of her statements, and it has been more than proven now that he in fact, did. I don't like lies when there is a small child missing. I don't like lies when the stakes aren't as serious. He chose to lie and he will just have to live with the public seeing that for what it was.

Interesting... "his ilk" which "ilk" exactly are you referring to, the "ilk" of a flawed but possibly innocent man or the "ilk" of an "abuser" who is capable of unspeakable crimes. You don't like or dislike him, ok.

Ronald is no Mark Lunsford. Standing in front of Ronald like an avenging angel will not prevent, nee.....truly hinders getting real answers to real questions. Whisperer and others have been making some outstanding observations, backing them up and laying them out for us all to see. No one is attacking. The systemic approach is to point out the impossibility of some things, the improbability of others, and the wonderment of why still more wasn't asked. That is all I have seen. No one is villifying Ronald here; not on the point of inconsistencies. It has been proven that he took forward the inconsistencies, and then changed his story. The question is legitimate to ask "why is that?"

If Jessica hadn't been found, would you be saying that or would you still be suspicious of a man of his ilk?

The last I heard about Misty from LE is that she is the key. Is there more that I haven't heard or read about that you may be privy to?

Misty being the key to the TIMELINE doesn't necessarily make her the key to everything in the universe IMO. It is possible she may have been asleep, passed out, WHATEVER, and had nothing to do with this besides falling asleep before the kids were asleep.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=295

When asked if Misty Cummings was a suspect, Captain Schauland told First Coast News Friday, "I would not list Misty as a suspect. We just want to get the timeline straightened out. Our most important thing is finding Haleigh. That's more important than anything else. And Misty's the key to that."

The rest of the post Respectfully snipped for space.