Ron Cummings Arrested 2009.08.06 RE: Battery involving brother-in-law #2

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, it answers the question if he will be represented by his former attorney. We will have to wait to see which public defender draws his case now.

I am not surprised to find "probable cause" because of the statements. They would not have arrested him without it. However, it doesn't mean once he gets an attorney the charges won't be dismissed or otherwise reduced.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

So is the "family attorney" AS claims advised her not to talk to the media a PD ?

I guess so, but a PD is only for one person not a family

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So is the "family attorney" AS claims advised her not to talk to the media a PD ?

Not neccesarily. The "family attorney" may not practice criminal law or may not be willing to work for free. He/she could still be willing to give limited advice to them under the circumstances. I don't know when the public defender is appointed, but he did not have one in place when he was released which indicates when she made the statement...they had not drawn one yet.

 

[CeeKer]

542009CF001430XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-08-06 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty:

Defendant
C, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2009-08-06 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO D/S QUINTIER (ARREST 8/5/09)

2009-08-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-3225

2009-08-06 1 BURGLARY OF CONVEYANCE WITH BATTERY

2009-08-06 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 8/6/09

2009-08-06 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY

2009-08-06 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

2009-08-06 2 $12,5004.00 SECURED BOND SET

2009-08-06 3 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

2009-08-06 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING

Probably cause being the statement of those involved in a he/said she/said.

"The three Croslins allege that Ronald Cummings assaulted the two males, and that's why he was subsequently arrested on the probable cause," Chief Rick Ryan said. "Obviously we have conflicting stories."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20300918/detail.html

 

[Flossie JMO]

Well, it answers the question if he will be represented by his former attorney. We will have to wait to see which public defender draws his case now.

I am not surprised to find "probable cause" because of the statements. They would not have arrested him without it. However, it doesn't mean once he gets an attorney the charges won't be dismissed or otherwise reduced.

bolded by me, hope they're dismissed

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I guess so, but a PD is only for one person not a family

Yep, that's what I thought.

 

[Lanie]

Every time I try to post other than on 'Quick Reply' it has me responding to some post from some time back. ??? (See above post if it shows up when I hit 'submit reply'. I actually was not trying to respond to any post.

I think it is very likely Misty called her family crying and screaming, and that is why they showed up after 10pm at night. It's also possible, if Ron still works the night shift, they adjust for that and visiting at 10pm is not as unusual as it would be for 8 to 5 people.
Regardless, we do have the statements that were made.
If Misty and Ron were telling the truth, what we have is Hank Sr. and Hank Jr. coming over for a visit, being told not to come because it was too late, but showing up anyway, in a belligerent and hostile manner. I don't know if Mama Croslin was on the warpath or not. That just does not make any sense to me at all. If that were all that was going on, there would be no big deal about waiting to visit at another time.
If Hank Jr. and Mama are telling the truth, then it is Misty calling crying and screaming, telling her family she doesn't want to live there anymore and to come get her. The family then hops into the van to go fetch the little darling. That would explain the attitude, even if they don't have a clue what is going on. It also explains Ron's attitude, up to a point, where having unwanted visitors show up for a simple visit really doesn't, IMO. We also have agreeing statements about them trying to get Misty to go with them. That jibes with her calling them to come get her, not so much with them insisting on a late night social call.
Something else bothering me, did none of the Croslins have a cell phone? It says they called from a gas station, which seems to imply they had to go there to use a payphone.
Anyway, regardless of which story, if either, is true, IMO, Ron way overreacted. This seems to back up theories he has a bad temper and doesn't have a problem getting physical. This makes it very difficult for me to believe he thinks Misty is involved in what happened to Haleigh, because it seems like it would be out of reach for him to be not beating the truth out of her. It also makes it difficult for me to believe Misty is somehow blackmailing him over Haleigh, because he doesn't seem the type to see the long term consequences of getting rid of her. I just don't get what he knows that we don't that makes him think Misty had no involvement.
Lanie

 

[Tom'sGirl]

BBM.
You are correct that none of us were there, but we do know it is a fact that Ron reached into the van and assaulted HC2, which is called burglary with battery according to Florida law. Not only did the Croslins say he did the above, but his own Grandmother did as well.
I am pretty sure that GGM Sykes wouldn't make something up that painted her own grandson in such a negative light unless it was in fact true.

The point I was trying to make was that it didn't have to get to point of altercation IF both sides would have called the LE first. IF Misty had spoken with her family during the day her family had plenty of time to call the LE and not wait until late evening to drive over there.

On the other hand like I said, Ron and Misty should have called the LE when the group showed up on his grandmother's property.

 

[mysticrose]

This was a good video with a lot of info regarding the incident. I'm sure most everyone has seen it but I thought I would post it..

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...9a6209a152994&maven_referralObject=1206724176

 

[badme102]

The point I was trying to make was that it didn't have to get to point of altercation IF both sides would have called the LE first. IF Misty had spoken with her family during the day her family had plenty of time to call the LE and not wait until late evening to drive over there.

On the other hand like I said, Ron and Misty should have called the LE when the group showed up on his grandmother's property.

Fair enough. However, maybe the Croslins didn't want to get LE involved because they know how hard it would hit the media (like it did).
You're right about Misty and Ron, though. If Ron didn't want them there on his GGM's property, he should have called LE immediately. I agree.

Like I stated a couple of times yesterday--Lock 'em all up, I could care less. If any of this leads to any answers on Haleigh's whereabouts, so be it. That's what I want.

 

[Lanie]

The point I was trying to make was that it didn't have to get to point of altercation IF both sides would have called the LE first. IF Misty had spoken with her family during the day her family had plenty of time to call the LE and not wait until late evening to drive over there.

On the other hand like I said, Ron and Misty should have called the LE when the group showed up on his grandmother's property.

I myself have never called LE when I have had a friend or family member call me to come get them from their evil SO. 99% of the time it has been over some stupid spat that escalated to the point of ridiculousness, and they end up back in marital bliss before the day is up. JMO though.
Lanie

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We have no way to know if Ronald overreacted since we do not know what actually led up to the encounter. These were not people simply "dropping by for a visit" at that time of night when GGS said herself she was already in bed, imo.

I never got a clarification if they were all in the van together or arrived in different vehicles. Has anyone narrowed that down yet?

 

[mysticrose]

Maybe they all will be charged w/ something in the end ...

 

[Lanie]

We have no way to know if Ronald overreacted since we do not know what actually led up to the encounter. These were not people simply "dropping by for a visit" at that time of night when GGS said herself she was already in bed, imo.

I never got a clarification if they were all in the van together or arrived in different vehicles. Has anyone narrowed that down yet?

Bolded by me.

And yet, that is what Misty told the police, and Ron went on to more or less corroborate.

Misty said she called her brother to find out why he had been calling her house all day, he told her he wanted to come over for a visit, she told him not to because it was too late, then he said he was tired of not seeing her and was coming over anyway.
Ron makes a statement at the police station saying the three of them came over after Misty told them not to.
Seems like an overreaction to me to end up in jail for assault because, according to the perp's own words, they came over when they were told not to.
Lanie

 

[kiki the parrot]

People are not elated because RC was arrested on this charge. The question should not be why people are rather eager to learn anything which can shed possible light on the whereabouts of his missing daughter. The question I'm asking instead is why anyone--prior, as Tomsgirl so accurately pointed out, to knowing all the facts--would hope for these assault charges to be dismissed out of hand. It's easy to play the "hate" card. I question, too, how irrelevant the past is. Because as hard as some may try this simply is not--and will never be--another family in which an innocent "squabble" occurred between young lovebirds that is not worthy of a second glance and thus should be ignored. There is a child who remains MISSING and unaccounted for--for which reason this ought to send up some red flags for anyone and everyone who cares about Haleigh and Jr, who will want everyone involved in this circle thoroughly scrutinized. I too believe it plays into the bigger picture of Haleigh's disappearance. And if they prefer not to have all their arrests, disputes and dirty laundry aired, it's too late because a child has still not been accounted for--and there is another who deserves a safe and stable home.

Despite w/e backpedalling Misty did later that eve, Misty's family clearly stated they did feel the need to check in on her, and we don't know what their reasons may have been for waiting. They may have wished to hear from RC himself, or make a united show of support for MC, or had to wait for the van, and/or as I suggested, simply hoped to avoid involving LE or prematurely taking it to that level before at least confirming their suspicions. Afterall, that was all they had at that point was MC's side. But we all seem in agreement that her family had a reason and wasn't simply stopping by for a casual visit.

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

I think it is very likely Misty called her family crying and screaming, and that is why they showed up after 10pm at night. It's also possible, if Ron still works the night shift, they adjust for that and visiting at 10pm is not as unusual as it would be for 8 to 5 people.
Regardless, we do have the statements that were made.
If Misty and Ron were telling the truth, what we have is Hank Sr. and Hank Jr. coming over for a visit, being told not to come because it was too late, but showing up anyway, in a belligerent and hostile manner. I don't know if Mama Croslin was on the warpath or not. That just does not make any sense to me at all. If that were all that was going on, there would be no big deal about waiting to visit at another time.
If Hank Jr. and Mama are telling the truth, then it is Misty calling crying and screaming, telling her family she doesn't want to live there anymore and to come get her. The family then hops into the van to go fetch the little darling. That would explain the attitude, even if they don't have a clue what is going on. It also explains Ron's attitude, up to a point, where having unwanted visitors show up for a simple visit really doesn't, IMO. We also have agreeing statements about them trying to get Misty to go with them. That jibes with her calling them to come get her, not so much with them insisting on a late night social call.
Something else bothering me, did none of the Croslins have a cell phone? It says they called from a gas station, which seems to imply they had to go there to use a payphone.
Anyway, regardless of which story, if either, is true, IMO, Ron way overreacted. This seems to back up theories he has a bad temper and doesn't have a problem getting physical. This makes it very difficult for me to believe he thinks Misty is involved in what happened to Haleigh, because it seems like it would be out of reach for him to be not beating the truth out of her. It also makes it difficult for me to believe Misty is somehow blackmailing him over Haleigh, because he doesn't seem the type to see the long term consequences of getting rid of her. I just don't get what he knows that we don't that makes him think Misty had no involvement.

(bbm) Yes, agree he does appear awfully confident of this.

arrot:

 

[Indiana at Heart]

Putnam County Sheriff's Major Gary Bowling said the deputies at the scene had probable cause to believe Ronald Cummings started the fisticuffs.

"She called me and was all crying and told me to come over and pick her up," Misty Cummings' brother, Hank Croslin Jr., told a 911 dispatcher. "And I get there, and her husband comes after me."

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/080709/news_1828502.shtml

 

[debs]

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[/FONT]That article makes it nearly unanimous that Ronald entered the vehicle and continued to beat down on Hank2. All we need now is for Ronald to admit it. Did you see where Misty says he reached in when they were in the van?

"She said her family would not leave and continued yelling at Cummings, which prompted her husband to reach inside the vehicle and begin fighting again." That agrees with what GGM says, and what all three Croslin's state.

 

[lonetraveler]

Who really knows. It could even have been a set up on Misty and Ron's part. I suspect the Croslins may have some idea as to what happened to Haleigh and may know Ron is the one responsible. They may also know Misty is covering for him. Maybe they want her out of that house.

Hank Croslin, from what I detected, seems to believe she is in grave danger. He said he is now sorry he ever let Misty marry Ron. There has to be a reason for that statement other than just a little tiff between a husband and a wife..
Just thinking out loud.. JMO..

You are right, who knows? Maybe some valuable information will now be revealed to LE that will help find Haleigh. Certainly hope so. Maybe Misty confided in one of her family members.

 

[Indiana at Heart]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/08/07/news/news01.txt[/FONT]

That article makes it nearly unanimous that Ronald entered the vehicle and continued to beat down on Hank2. All we need now is for Ronald to admit it. Did you see where Misty says he reached in when they were in the van?

"She said her family would not leave and continued yelling at Cummings, which prompted her husband to reach inside the vehicle and begin fighting again." That agrees with what GGM says, and what all three Croslin's state.

Yes Ma'am I did!