Ron Cummings Arrested 2009.08.06 RE: Battery involving brother-in-law #2

[debs]

Can you show me where this has been said?
I know he has a neck brace on but you can buy those at rite aid or walmart!
IMO I see his neck brace as $$ to him in his lawsuit.

I saw him wearing a neck brace. He said he'd been to the hospital (LE confirms he was sent there) and I can make an educated assumption that the attending physician gave it to him. I am unlike you and not willing to start accusing someone of medical fraud. I take it at face value and apply the minimum requirement....he needs it for a little while to prevent sudden exacerbation of any injury that could be present.

 

[kiki the parrot]

jmo

but, ron was in jail for over 12 hrs I believe
IF misty wanted to leave she had her chance
so, i don't think misty wanted to leave jmo

It sounded to me as tho MC had already had a "change of heart" by the time her family responded and her husband "came out swinging." They obviously still had concerns ie may have been questioning her judgment, or wondering whether there was any coercion or intimidation involved. That is not uncharacteristic of situations where there may have been repeated complaints eg, or a pattern of conflict and reconciliation, or a strained situation such as is undoubtedly the case here. JMO

arrot:

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Can you show me where this has been said?
I know he has a neck brace on but you can buy those at rite aid or walmart!
IMO I see his neck brace as $$ to him in his lawsuit.

Somehow, I think the hospital records will be reviewed in both the criminal case against Ron and in any subsequent civil case - should one be filed. I doubt photos of a neck brace, or even an appearance in court with a neck brace, will mean much, if anything, compared to the hospital records and LE statement.

BTW - Ron is insolvent, and as far as we know, unemployed. A civil suit against him for any injuries wouldn't produce anything.

 

[atherella]

I saw him wearing a neck brace. He said he'd been to the hospital (LE confirms he was sent there) and I can make an educated assumption that the attending physician gave it to him. I am unlike you and not willing to start accusing someone of medical fraud. I take it at face value and apply the minimum requirement....he needs it for a little while to prevent sudden exacerbation of any injury that could be present.

BBM

Hank (Tommy) was not sent to the hospital, LE said he chose to go there. Huge difference. LE states that in the press conference.

During the press conference, LE also states that Tommy's injuries were "minor and insignificant". Those were his exact words.

Here's a link in case you need your memory refreshed.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=161714&storyid=142925

(If the correct video does not pull up, it is the 7:24 video on the right hand side)

 

[LaLaw2000]

The Croslin's, having left the property, stopped at a gas station/convenience store to make the call. At the time of the call, Hank2 said he wasn't hurt, but upon further time passing and letting the situation get some distance, complained of soreness and was examined at the hospital, where the attending physician felt it was warranted to issue him a neck brace, as a precaution if nothing else. I love how that has been twisted again and again as "faking" an injury. The brace isn't to keep him from moving his neck normally. It is to prevent a sudden move which could exascerbate an injury that may be present but which could heal with time.

Yeesh.

Thanks, debs.

I had resolved not to comment on this thread again, but just have to say this. I am sitting here with a titanium plate in my neck from a car accident that was not my fault. I did not even realize until later that my injuries were as serious as they were. It was not until the evening of that day that I began to get so sore. The next day I could hardly move. My neck and head hurt so badly I could not stand it. I used my own health insurance for the surgeries because this stupid little snot had no insurance. I am saying all of this to say that YES, you Can be injured and not even realize it until later. So, it is not surprising that Tommy might not realize he was injured at the time he made that 911 call. I did not think I was too badly injured either until later. I can see where a strong punch in the neck or head could cause an injury to the neck. At the time Tommy called, he would have still been pumped up on adrenalin (sp.?) that he may not have realized any injury. JMO.

FWIW, I do not care for the Croslin family but I do not feel they were in the wrong in this matter. I am looking forward to seeing just what is going to happen in this case. Ronald was arrested and there will be an adjudication in court, imo, unless Ronald's public defender convinces the 'state' not to prosecute. What I am concerned about is that there will be a finding of not enough evidence even tho all parties statements are what they are as in all have stated, IIRC, that Ronald did indeed either reach in or go into the vehicle to continue the fight. In that particular instance, Ronald was the agressor according to the statements all have given pertaining to him actually going to the vehicle to continue the altercation.

 

[debs]

BBM

Hank (Tommy) was not sent to the hospital, LE said he chose to go there. Huge difference. LE states that in the press conference.

During the press conference, LE also states that Tommy's injuries were "minor and insignificant". Those were his exact words.

Here's a link in case you need your memory refreshed.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=161714&storyid=142925

(If the correct video does not pull up, it is the 7:24 video on the right hand side)

Okie dokie! He CHOSE to go there. Semantics are important. CHOSE to go. He CHOSE to go. I bet he was really hurting. I've never been punched in the neck but I know that it's gotta hurt, and since there are a lot of little bones and stuff in there that could be injured due to blunt force trauma, I think he CHOSE to do the right thing and have it checked out.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Somehow, I think the hospital records will be reviewed in both the criminal case against Ron and in any subsequent civil case - should one be filed. I doubt photos of a neck brace, or even an appearance in court with a neck brace, will mean much, if anything, compared to the hospital records and LE statement.

BTW - Ron is insolvent, and as far as we know, unemployed. A civil suit against him for any injuries wouldn't produce anything.

BBM

Exactly.

 

[harleysnana]

Somehow, I think the hospital records will be reviewed in both the criminal case against Ron and in any subsequent civil case - should one be filed. I doubt photos of a neck brace, or even an appearance in court with a neck brace, will mean much, if anything, compared to the hospital records and LE statement.

BTW - Ron is insolvent, and as far as we know, unemployed. A civil suit against him for any injuries wouldn't produce anything.

I agree.
BBM
Also... the 911 call where he says he is not hurt!

 

[debs]

I agree.
BBM
Also... the 911 call where he says he is not hurt!

Well, Natasha Richardson said she felt fine until she collapsed in a coma and died of a head injury.

 

[harleysnana]

Okie dokie! He CHOSE to go there. Semantics are important. CHOSE to go. He CHOSE to go. I bet he was really hurting. I've never been punched in the neck but I know that it's gotta hurt, and since there are a lot of little bones and stuff in there that could be injured due to blunt force trauma, I think he CHOSE to do the right thing and have it checked out.

He stated right on the 911 call NO when asked if he was hurt!
And they always ask at the scene if they need to go to the hospital I'm sure
he told them no he wasn't hurt and no he didn’t' need to go to the hospital
or otherwise he would have been taken right then.
The fact that he chose to go on his own tells me enough about his injuries!
:boohoo: $$$$ IMO

 

[debs]

He stated right on the 911 call NO when asked if he was hurt!
And they always ask at the scene if they need to go to the hospital I'm sure
he told them no he wasn't hurt and no he didn’t' need to go to the hospital
or otherwise he would have been taken right then.
The fact that he chose to go on his own tells me enough about his injuries!
:boohoo: $$$$ IMO

My son was in an auto accident 9 months ago. He was thrown from the car (wasn't wearing a seatbelt, dummy) and thrown into a boulder field. He missed every boulder and the car managed to avoid hitting him as it tumbled down the steep embankment. He and his 2 friends all walked away from the scene and headed down the rural road. They made it more than a mile before someone passed them by and they flagged them down. The ambulance came. Ben stated he was fine, didn't think he needed to go to the hospital. They took him anyway as a matter of course. He spent 3 days in intensive care with a fractured vertibrae in his neck that he'd not felt until much later and lacerations all over that ended up needing more than 50 stitches. He wore a neck brace for 6 weeks in order to prevent any sudden risky movements that could set something off kilter and do damage that could paralyze him. After the shock wears off, pain ensues. It happens all. the. time.

But hey. Feel free to keep thinking he's faking an injury. It's a stupid ploy if he is faking. My guess is any threat of any civil lawsuit is merely a bluff on the part of Hank2 because he got his butt handed to him on a plate. Nobody likes that.

 

[LaLaw2000]

He stated right on the 911 call NO when asked if he was hurt!
And they always ask at the scene if they need to go to the hospital I'm sure
he told them no he wasn't hurt and no he didn’t' need to go to the hospital
or otherwise he would have been taken right then.
The fact that he chose to go on his own tells me enough about his injuries!
:boohoo: $$$$ IMO

How can it translate to $$$$$$ when Ronald has to be appointed a Public Defender for the charges? If he has no money, IMO, none can be gotten from him.

 

[harleysnana]

Well, Natasha Richardson said she felt fine until she collapsed in a coma and died of a head injury.

Sorry I don't see the comparison.
I would also bet my house that if this was Ron that got hurt it would be
completely different and he would be "faking and trying to get drugs"

If you watch the interview with LE even the LE guy himself shakes his head when
talking about his “injuries” and he also says the were minor!
IMO IF he would have said he hurt his neck they would not consider that minor…

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I agree.
BBM
Also... the 911 call where he says he is not hurt!

Nah - the defense may bring it up. But, IMO, it won't go anywhere. An assault victim, especially one who is assaulted AGAIN, as he is trying to flee the attack, is certainly very upset and completely incapable of making any medical assessment. As far as the injuries are concerned, only hospital/physician records of injuries found and the LE records describing the probable source of those injuries will be relevant. IMO

 

[Tom'sGirl]

As it stands now, now information is documented on the amount of back Child Support RC may have received, if he indeed has received any at all.

 

[badme102]

He stated right on the 911 call NO when asked if he was hurt!
And they always ask at the scene if they need to go to the hospital I'm sure
he told them no he wasn't hurt and no he didn’t' need to go to the hospital
or otherwise he would have been taken right then.
The fact that he chose to go on his own tells me enough about his injuries!
:boohoo: $$$$ IMO

How very nice of you to blame the VICTIM of a burglary with battery.

 

[harleysnana]

How very nice of you to blame the VICTIM of a burglary with battery.

I'm sorry I don't see him as a victim!

 

[LaLaw2000]

How very nice of you to blame the VICTIM of a burglary with battery.

badme, do you think Tommy could sue Grandma's home owners insurance for his hospital bill? After all, he was hurt in an altercation on her property.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I'm no medical expert and can't attest to the extent of HC2's injuries (I know after an assault to the head they made me go to ER where they found concussion, contusions etc but it was the following day before I felt the extent of mine) but personally wouldn't relish the thought of finding myself stuck, like a sitting duck, virtually entrapped in my vehicle, unable to defend myself while being pummeled in my neck and head, on the receiving end of an enraged man with fists clenched and nose wide open... nope, don't want no parts o' that... Just sayin.


arrot:

 

[robbie11]

very very sad... little Haleigh is once again forgotten, and Ronald gets the spotlight>>>

Prayers for Haleigh:blowkiss: