Ron Cummings Arrested 2009.08.06 RE: Battery involving brother-in-law #2

[atherella]

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How can it translate to $$$$$$ when Ronald has to be appointed a Public Defender for the charges? If he has no money, IMO, none can be gotten from him.

If Hank (Tommy) were to sue Ron and get a judgment, that judgment would be good for a certain amount of time. (I do not know how long a judgment stands in FL for a civil suit). It isn't as if Ron would have to write a check immediately. Any future wages and/or tax refunds he earns could be applied towards a judgment against him. Just because he has no money at present does not mean he won't have any money in the future.

Perhaps Tommy is thinking that Ron may sue some people of his own in the future and he'd like to cash in on any potential money Ron may make?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

As it stands now, now information is documented on the amount of back Child Support RC may have received, if he indeed has received any at all.

This is my understanding as well. ~ $12K has been paid to the State on Crystal's behalf, but we do not know how much, if any, has been disbursed to Ron.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/07/06/exclusive-haleigh-mom-mystery-donor-records/#more-2360

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

badme, do you think Tommy could sue Grandma's home owners insurance for his hospital bill? After all, he was hurt in an altercation on her property.

Hi LaLaw,

Not badme, but I found this, so I'm guessing he could try.

http://www.kandelllaw.com/CM/FSDP/PracticePage/Personal-Injury/Negligent-Security.asp

Do we know if the assault was on AS's property, or in the road, or on the Right of Way ?

 

[LaLaw2000]

If Hank (Tommy) were to sue Ron and get a judgment, that judgment would be good for a certain amount of time. (I do not know how long a judgment stands in FL for a civil suit). It isn't as if Ron would have to write a check immediately. Any future wages and/or tax refunds he earns could be applied towards a judgment against him. Just because he has no money at present does not mean he won't have any money in the future.
Perhaps Tommy is thinking that Ron may sue some people of his own in the future and he'd like to cash in on any potential money Ron may make?

BBM

I do not think a court judgement expires. I do know that a lien can be kept in force for an indefinate period of time, but has to be renewed at a certain point in time.

Cannot imagine what Ronald would be suing anyone for, tho.
MO

 

[LaLaw2000]

Hi LaLaw,

Not badme, but I found this, so I'm guessing he could try.

http://www.kandelllaw.com/CM/FSDP/PracticePage/Personal-Injury/Negligent-Security.asp

Do we know if the assault was on AS's property, or in the road, or in the Right of Way ?

Thanks.

The way I understand it, it was on the driveway.

ETA: I could have sued my own home owners insurance company when I slipped on the wet floor and broke my thumb trying to bace myself in the fall. I just laughed at that, tho. I have a neighbor who is a lawyer and he is the one who told me that.

I have great health insurance and it took care of it and I would never sue anyone if there was any other way round it! I was just thinking that Tommy could sue Annettes home owners insurance since someone thought he faked an injury in order to make $$$$$ off of his injury.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

BBM

I do not think a court judgement expires. I do know that a lien can be kept in force for an indefinate period of time, but has to be renewed at a certain point in time.

Cannot imagine what Ronald would be suing anyone for, tho.
MO

I think you're right. Would his wages be garnished, should he be employed again ?

Perhaps a "wrongful death suit" has been discussed ?

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

It's kinda too bad that they both confirmed that he actually entered Tommy's car and kept hitting him. That there seems like the smoking gun......everyone agrees Ronald entered that car to keep hitting Tommy.

And therein lies the rub for Ron. His own grandmother stated this.

MOO

 

[atherella]

BBM

I do not think a court judgement expires. I do know that a lien can be kept in force for an indefinate period of time, but has to be renewed at a certain point in time.

Cannot imagine what Ronald would be suing anyone for, tho.
MO

BBM

Slander and defamation off the top of my head.

 

[fortytwo]

How very nice of you to blame the VICTIM of a burglary with battery.

Tthat's pretty cute. Glad no one here is doing any "twisting" or "distorting'.

Anyone would have to agree that someone who piles into their car at night and goes charging over to a private dwelling where they have been explicitly told they're not welcome, exhibits threatening behavior as soon as they arrive, and remains after they're told to leave is obviously a VICTIM. I can't possibly imagine how there might be any culpability on their part.

Sure is nice to see how people look at both sides of things.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

BBM

Slander and defamation off the top of my head.

Wow - those kind of lawsuits could get contagious.

 

[LaLaw2000]

O/T: Having a storm here right now....getting off of computer!

 

[Boytwnmom]

the statute of limitations on judgments is 20 years in most states.

BBM

I do not think a court judgement expires. I do know that a lien can be kept in force for an indefinate period of time, but has to be renewed at a certain point in time.

Cannot imagine what Ronald would be suing anyone for, tho.
MO

 

[debs]

Tthat's pretty cute. Glad no one here is doing any "twisting" or "distorting'.

Anyone would have to agree that someone who piles into their car at night and goes charging over to a private dwelling where they have been explicitly told they're not welcome, exhibits threatening behavior as soon as they arrive, and remains after they're told to leave is obviously a VICTIM. I can't possibly imagine how there might be any culpability on their part.

Sure is nice to see how people look at both sides of things.

But Misty's statement and the Croslin statements are not mutually exclusive. They can BOTH have the truth in their statements. The Croslin's state Misty called in distress; Misty states she told them not to come over. If the Croslin's believed Misty's distress call, it is just as likely that they knew better than to believe the call that told them not to come over. Misty's statement that her brother had been calling her all day does NOT fit in with her statement that he was coming over because he was tired of not seeing her. A man who was repeatedly dialing and not getting hold of his family member, in concern for her, would have gone a lot sooner than the Croslin family did. "All day" and Misty didn't know why he was calling. That means she never picked up. Why finally before they arrive did Misty determine to either answer another call or make a call to her family to ask this question and tell them not to come over?

Sure. It could be as simple as Misty and Ronald and GGMS were gone all day and came back to an answering machine full of message from Hank2. Seems easy enough evidence to produce if that's the case. But what is that evidence going to demonstrate? A family who speaks of isolation from their loved one and in concern want to see her? LOCK 'EM UP, SHERIFF!!! THEY CARE ABOUT HER!!!!!

The three Croslin's get themselves out of their home(s) in the late hour to head to Misty's house, whereupon arriving in the driveway are met with an enraged Ronald yelling at them to get out of there. The account is that they were trying to get Misty to go with them, but no one's statement suggests that she was forcibly handled in this attempt. We can only assume then that they were verbally attempting to persuade her. Ronald shoves Hank2 and Hank2 hits back. Ronald escalated the dispute. At any point, had GGMS or Ronald or Misty felt they were in danger, they would not have hesitated to call LE. They didn't. Misty and Lisa were trying to pull the men apart when GGMS steps in and starts shoving people into the van. Hank2, having been released when Ronald was sent to the house by his grandmother, was in his car when Ronald came charging out again, and by all accounts, entered into the van to hit Hank2 again.

Whatever reason the Croslin's had for going over there, Ronald was still the aggressor, still the one who escalated it to physical violence and the worst people can say is that the Croslin's were there because they wanted to see Misty, whether she said not to come or not. Anything past that (those drug claims....yeah, we all saw you make them; the nefarious "must know something about Haleigh and want to keep her quiet" claims).....all that is spurious speculation and a gross representation of what can be known by what we have at our fingertips.

 

[badme102]

Tthat's pretty cute. Glad no one here is doing any "twisting" or "distorting'.

Anyone would have to agree that someone who piles into their car at night and goes charging over to a private dwelling where they have been explicitly told they're not welcome, exhibits threatening behavior as soon as they arrive, and remains after they're told to leave is obviously a VICTIM. I can't possibly imagine how there might be any culpability on their part.

Sure is nice to see how people look at both sides of things.

Don't put words in mouth. I didn't say that at all. You know exactly what I meant by what I posted. If you didn't, that's your issue not mine.
As far as looking at both sides of things, I'm sure LE did that, and that is why RON ended up in jail for burglary with battery. Or did LE fabricate that one too? GMAB.

 

[lonetraveler]

I seriously doubt that the Croslins had any intention of starting a fight, why is it so hard for anybody to believe that Misty gave them the impression she needed help, protection, whatever, and they came over there to aid their daughter/sister? Or that Ron was the first one to throw a punch?
I'm not much on conspiracy theories, so I am not buying that everybody is out to get poor Ronald or that they planned this to get him arrested. Did they give him a script before the fight started, telling him to reach inside the vehicle and keep punching HCJ?
I would think that hitting a person while they're seated behind a steering wheel could cause neck injuries. Doctors often advise a patient to wear one even when there are no signs of injury at first, as a precaution. I can tell you from experience that if the head is snapped back hard enough, you might not feel it right away... and later find that it did permanent damage. It is nothing to laugh or sneer about, it hurts!

I would say that if you are in a sitting position and there is someone beside you pounding you maybe upside of the head, an injury similiar to a whiplash could occurr. You head is definitely snapped in the opposite direction than you are encountering the fist! I personally experienced this same injury by someone hitting me beside the head through the driver's side window while I was sitting in a car trying to start the car and use a straight shift gear stick and trying to get the he** out of dodge. I have TMJ to this very day due to that blow. Also, the neck injury would not be visible to the naked eye. :crazy:

 

[Boytwnmom]

to view a person as a victim at the point where, regardless of their prior actions, they are retreating from the scene. When poor RC was no longer in grave danger form the Croslin gang and they were attempting to drive away he chose to perform the illegal action of entering the vehicle and beating the person attempting to leave. There is no spin to put on this action that makes it legally justified. It doesn't matter why the Croslins went over or what they said or did, at the point where someone is retreating you can no longer claim any blows you strike are in self defense and thus those blows are illegal under under the law.

As far as putting a spin on things, your description of a gang piling into a car and charging over to a house uninvited etc sure sounds like spin to me when it's also easily described as concerned family members responding to a cry for help from someone who is being abused. What was that you were saying about seeing both sides?

Tthat's pretty cute. Glad no one here is doing any "twisting" or "distorting'.

Anyone would have to agree that someone who piles into their car at night and goes charging over to a private dwelling where they have been explicitly told they're not welcome, exhibits threatening behavior as soon as they arrive, and remains after they're told to leave is obviously a VICTIM. I can't possibly imagine how there might be any culpability on their part.

Sure is nice to see how people look at both sides of things.

 

[DotsEyes]

I don't think there is anything complicated in this "family dispute". This is normal behavior for them. The Croslin gang shows up at GMS's house late at night and refuses to leave. Lots of shouting and name calling, punches are thrown, HC2 got the worst of the deal so he called LE and had RC arrested. RC will not serve time, thank goodness.

If MC wanted to leave, she would have jumped into the car with her family and left. She didn't.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I don't think there is anything complicated in this "family dispute". This is normal behavior for them. The Croslin gang shows up at GMS's house late at night and refuses to leave. Lots of shouting and name calling, punches are thrown, HC2 got the worst of the deal so he called LE and had RC arrested. RC will not serve time, thank goodness.

If MC wanted to leave, she would have jumped into the car with her family and left. She didn't.

BBM

And the support for this statement ? Or, is it an opinion stated as fact ?

 

[badme102]

I don't think there is anything complicated in this "family dispute". This is normal behavior for them. The Croslin gang shows up at GMS's house late at night and refuses to leave. Lots of shouting and name calling, punches are thrown, HC2 got the worst of the deal so he called LE and had RC arrested. RC will not serve time, thank goodness.

If MC wanted to leave, she would have jumped into the car with her family and left. She didn't.

That's all your opinion right? I mean, you don't have an inside look into LE or Misty, do you? Thanks.

 

[Whisperer]

Excellent post Debs...spoken as an attorney would also.