Ron Cummings Arrested 2009.08.06 RE: Battery involving brother-in-law #3

[texasmommy39]

As it stands Ron is the only one charged, so I have to trust the LE assessment of the situation-

jmo

LOL I am not trying to claim I know it all here ,but,I had a little discusion with a friend of mine who is an officer with my local SO, as we where sitting on my front porch sipping iced tea. He explained that it is the officers call to determine what actions he will take, but, the he stated the winner will 10 times out of 10 go to jail even if they didn't throw the first punch or was in their own home or property and was provoked. The charge of burglery is due to the fact that Ron reached in to strike Hank Jr.
IMVHO when the facts are presented to the judge, alot of people will not be to happy with his decision.

 

[Malesherbes]

LOL I am not trying to claim I know it all here ,but,I had a little discusion with a friend of mine who is an officer with my local SO, as we where sitting on my front porch sipping iced tea. He explained that it is the officers call to determine what actions he will take, but, the he stated the winner will 10 times out of 10 go to jail even if they didn't throw the first punch or was in their own home or property and was provoked. The charge of burglery is due to the fact that Ron reached in to strike Hank Jr.
IMVHO when the facts are presented to the judge, alot of people will not be to happy with his decision.

Well, I cant even begin to know what the Judge is going to because it hasn't even happened yet-

But since we are playing fortuneteller here, I predict Ron will more than likely take a plea bargain and plead guilty to one felony and get probation and stuff like that- time will tell.

jmo

 

[LaLaw2000]

LOL I am not trying to claim I know it all here ,but,I had a little discusion with a friend of mine who is an officer with my local SO, as we where sitting on my front porch sipping iced tea. He explained that it is the officers call to determine what actions he will take, but, the he stated the winner will 10 times out of 10 go to jail even if they didn't throw the first punch or was in their own home or property and was provoked. The charge of burglery is due to the fact that Ron reached in to strike Hank Jr.
IMVHO when the facts are presented to the judge, alot of people will not be to happy with his decision.

I am one state over and that is not the way it happens here. The one who throws the first punch is at fault and especially after the other is attempting to leave and the one who started it comes after him.

I suppose it could be that Ronald gets lucky and gets out of it, but I certainly will not understand it if he does.

ETA: I was with the SO for 10 years - not that it matters, tho. The law is the law. JMO

JMO, MOO

 

[RoseRed]

Well, I cant even begin to know what the Judge is going to because it hasn't even happened yet-

But since we are playing fortuneteller here, I predict Ron will more than likely take a plea bargain and plead guilty to one felony and get probation and stuff like that- time will tell.

jmo

If that happens, it will send a message that no one is safe at their own homes. A message that you can not take up for yourself when someone is on your property trying to cause trouble. i think that would be a bad thing especially in FL. where we are reading about so many home invasions.

 

[Malesherbes]

If that happens, it will send a message that no one is safe at their own homes. A message that you can not take up for yourself when someone is on your property trying to cause trouble. i think that would be a bad thing especially in FL. where we are reading about so many home invasions.

Except there these things called windows, doors, and 911- you can look out, if you see trouble, you can call 911, and not go out the door- that would be the sensible thing to do if someone was truly at risk-

The thing that kinda hurts Ron is that his grandma told LE he reached in a car when someone was trying to escape and started beating on them- thats probably the charge Ron will plead guilty to- I am sure the burglary charge will be dropped if the State is willing to drop that charge.

jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

I am one state over and that is not the way it happens here. The one who throws the first punch is at fault and especially after the other is attempting to leave and the one who started it comes after him.

I suppose it could be that Ronald gets lucky and gets out of it, but I certainly will not understand it if he does.

ETA: I was with the SO for 10 years - not that it matters, tho. The law is the law. JMO

JMO, MOO

I did ask him if the laws read differently in each state and he stated yes they do.
My understanding was the croslins went to GGS house after being told not to and Hank JR. shoved Ron first am I correct? BRB will take a look. I realize Hank Sr and Jr, and mom where leaving, but, I cant help wonder what was being said that could of possible provoked Ron again like before when he retreated into the house. I am sure Hank Jr. kept his mouth running. Didn't Hank Sr. hold Ron so Hank jr. could get a few licks in?

 

[LaLaw2000]

Well, this was more of a brother/sister/BIL thing. It wasn't a home invasion. Also, the phone records just may back up that Misty called Tommy and wanted him to come get her. I said 'may', because we have no idea what the phone records prove or disprove.

Still, it was not a home invasion; it was an inlaw ordeal. Quite different, IMO.

 

[stilettos]

I did ask him if the laws read differently in each state and he stated yes they do.
My understanding was Hank JR. shoved Ron am I correct? BRB will take a look. I relize Hank sr and Jr, and mom where leaving, but, I cant help wonder what was being said that could of possible provoked Ron again like before when he retreated into the house. I am sure Hank Jr. kept his mouth running. Didn't Hank Sr. hold Ron so Hank jr. could get a few licks in?

There is no justification for violent acts against another perosn. You can say anything you like...it is against the law to respond with violence. Not responding is called control of your emotions...something that RC lacks, IMO.

 

[RoseRed]

Still, it was not a home invasion; it was an inlaw ordeal. Quite different, IMO.

Correct and most "families" settle their disputes without calling LE.

 

[RoseRed]

There is no justification for violent acts against another perosn. You can say anything you like...it is against the law to respond with violence. Not responding is called control of your emotions...something that RC lacks, IMO.

In my opinion that is not true. If someone beats the devil out of you you better be prepared to fight back or you could be dead by the time LE gets there.

 

[Malesherbes]

Correct and most "families" settle their disputes without calling LE.

Right, but most families dont have their daughter married to a guy with a missing child, who until that altercation they had never seen him violent, and they thought he was on drugs. So what are they guilty of, being concerned for their daughter? Who wouldn't be concerned for their child?
jmo

 

[RoseRed]

Right, but most families dont have their daughter married to a guy with a missing child, who until that altercation they had never seen him violent, and they thought he was on drugs. So what are they guilty of, being concerned for their daughter? Who wouldn't be concerned for their child?
jmo

Then they should have just called LE before the altercation not afterward if they were that concerned about MC.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Correct and most "families" settle their disputes without calling LE.

Actually, they don't, IMO. Especially when it is an inlaw deal, and also where a violent temper is involved.

JMO

 

[RoseRed]

Actually, they don't, IMO. Especially when it is an inlaw deal, and also where a violent temper is involved.

JMO

Or perhaps two violent tempers.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

No, ma'am. I am stating that according to the testimony of the other 5 people witnessing the events taking place, Ronald Cummings himself went into his home and then exited again, only to go INTO the van to beat the snot out of Hank2 some more. The eyewitness testimony is what I am basing that on.

I have wondered since the incident why Ron went back in the house and then back out? Did he go inside to get something? It was never really said, only that he went in and came back out and attacked Hank Jr. in the car as he was trying to leave to call for help.
I am assuming that since Ron go to jail there will be a hearing on this matter, which would mean we will be able to read all the statements from everyone. I think that would tell a little more about what all happen. I just don't see LE arresting Ron for no reason. But that is JMO.

 

[Malesherbes]

Then they should have just called LE before the altercation not afterward if they were that concerned about MC.

But if they had never seen him violent, why would they call the cops? Most families would have just went and got their daughter without the police drama, the LE does not the the manpower to get involved in a phone call when someone wants to leave their partner, unless you are saying Misty told them he was beating the crap out of her, I have only heard she just wanted to leave- leaving does not equate to calling LE-

jmo

 

[stilettos]

In my opinion that is not true. If someone beats the devil out of you you better be prepared to fight back or you could be dead by the time LE gets there.

RoseRed we were discussing verbal statements causing assault. The only reason for assault in my opinion would be fear of death. I do not think the evidence will show that Ronald Cummings had a justified fear of death from a man trying to drive away.

 

[texasmommy39]

There is no justification for violent acts against another perosn. You can say anything you like...it is against the law to respond with violence. Not responding is called control of your emotions...something that RC lacks, IMO.

If I may ask? Have you never commited a violent act yourself in your whole life? In self defence? In anger?
How about cussing out a jack a** driver that just cut you off and flipped you a bird?
Who is that controlled to never have expressed an act of violence? Did you spank your children? Did your parents spank you?


There are plenty of reasons to justify violent acts against another person. Just MO
At this point there is two sides to this story and until we are able to hear both we can not be judge and jury on this BS.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Or perhaps two violent tempers.

In all honesty, I haven't seen or heard HC2 display a violent temper but that is not to say he doesn't have one. I have heard Ronald's.

JMO

 

[debs]

I did ask him if the laws read differently in each state and he stated yes they do.
My understanding was the croslins went to GGS house after being told not to and Hank JR. shoved Ron first am I correct? BRB will take a look. I realize Hank Sr and Jr, and mom where leaving, but, I cant help wonder what was being said that could of possible provoked Ron again like before when he retreated into the house. I am sure Hank Jr. kept his mouth running. Didn't Hank Sr. hold Ron so Hank jr. could get a few licks in?

You are wrong. Hank2 pulled up and Ronald came charging out of the house. Hank2 got out of his vehicle and Ronald states that it was in an aggressive manner. HE shoved HANK2, which then led to Hank hitting back. Hank1 testified that he was pulling Ronald off his son, Ronald testifies that Hank1 was holding him so Hank2 could hit Ronald.

But the problem isn't there. The problem for Ronald is that, after his grandma sent him into the house, the Croslins were in their vehicle ready to go and Ronald came back out and started beating on Hank2 while Hank2 was in his vehicle. ALL eyewitnesses state that is what happened....Ronald reached in (entered) and started beating Hank2. Assault and Burglary charges. "I" should go look....Now I wonder if Ronald also didn't say he went in there pounding on Hank2....hmmm.