Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin named POI *report updated and comment removed*

[krkrjx]

Whisperer...how plausible do you think this is?

...Misty dissociated, was in a fugue state and remembers nothing that happened during the fugue. Something happened to Haleigh, Misty was right in the middle of it but has absolutely no conscious memory of it. But...subconsciously is a different animal! And maybe the subconscious was picked up on during LVA and hypnosis??

IDK...just throwing it out there...

 

[Whisperer]

BBM: I agree with this statement. I believe Misty has told LE about Ronald, and it fell on deaf ears. The big question is, WHY? If LE has been wanting Misty to talk, why would they not listen intently when she does? But, maybe they do listen, and do believe, but lack evidence to prove anything against him.

I don't know if it fell on deaf ears or not...but Ron is not going to talk and they figured that out from the start. Misty knows what happened and they thought they could get her to talk. She appeared to be their best bet. But if she is the perp, they will get nothing out of her.

 

[Whisperer]

:waitasec: What's strange about this is I swear I recall her having low imagination levels and now this report says high. I better take another look..

 

[krkrjx]

An in-depth psychiatric eval of Misty Croslin might shed some light on what happened that night. It would have to be done by a psych doc who really knows what they are doing and what to look for. I think Misty knows everything but remembers little. She could have bits and pieces of memory that even she cannot put together. But I think deep down, she knows. IMO, there is just no way this girl would not have cracked by now if she could.

 

[lonetraveler]

fftopic:
thank you, KRKRJX

In reviewing: When misty was asked if she knew how Haleigh went missing, she repied, "NO". Result was deception. Some posters thought it was opposite, not st.

Whisperer, there has always been a question about this transcript with the analysis vs. what was showing on the computer screen as Misty answered this question. The transcript states deception where the computer screen on the video shows "true" for the same question and answer.

 

[Whisperer]

Whisperer...how plausible do you think this is?

...Misty dissociated, was in a fugue state and remembers nothing that happened during the fugue. Something happened to Haleigh, Misty was right in the middle of it but has absolutely no conscious memory of it. But...subconsciously is a different animal! And maybe the subconscious was picked up on during LVA and hypnosis??

IDK...just throwing it out there...

Sounds lie you are describing Fugue OR multiple personality. Throw the tomatoes, I'm ready. :needdrink:

 

[Whisperer]

Whisperer, there has always been a question about this transcript with the analysis vs. what was showing on the computer screen as Misty answered this question. The transcript states deception where the computer screen on the video shows "true" for the same question and answer.

Any idea who wrote those comments? This LVA was sure snipped and clipped. What I wouldn't do for the whole test

Are you saying that people were watching the test as she spoke? Can one be sure they are seeing it correctly? It reads "deception" noted to that question. I would think the printuot came directly from the machine. I imagine the notes are what a poster inserted.

 

[krkrjx]

Sounds lie you are describing Fugue OR multiple personality. Throw the tomatoes, I'm ready@:great:

I am.

I am not trying to make excuses for anyone. I really want to find out what happened to Haleigh. Somebody knows. Maybe it's Misty, maybe not, but I do not see how anything will be revealed if no one does anything further on this case.

Misty's childhoold was horrendous, no doubt in my mind about that. Dissociation is something that people learn to do at a very young age. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Misty, when traumatized to a certain point, could go into a fugue. (Fugue is a form of dissociation; not all who dissociate have multiple personalities.) Some people can remember events that happened during a fugue but most do not. Thus, it becomes a defense mechanism during times of severe emotional trauma.

I'm not going any further with this now because I am certainly no expert on this. I just think that for Haleigh, no stone should be left unturned.

 

[dodie20]

Whisperer...how plausible do you think this is?

...Misty dissociated, was in a fugue state and remembers nothing that happened during the fugue. Something happened to Haleigh, Misty was right in the middle of it but has absolutely no conscious memory of it. But...subconsciously is a different animal! And maybe the subconscious was picked up on during LVA and hypnosis??

IDK...just throwing it out there...

I've thought from the beginning that Misty showed dissociative qualities...something she probably picked up as a kid and it was later alluded to by AS. If Misty's the perp, she would remember, I think, but not in a personal way. same thing if she witnessed someone else hurt Haleigh. If this is the case, LE's barking up the wrong tree. She'll just blank out when she feels threatened. There's no way she'll tell what happened, if telling means reliving certain emotions...dissociation, above all else, is a way to avoid certain emotions. But, after this happened, she IMO, seemed traumatized. maybe that was just shock or fear, but it was some kind of real emotion. Also, when her dad threatened to move, I heard some more real emotion. Most of the time though, she's very guarded and superficial and flighty. I've never seen anyone who seems less concerned with her own personal situation. She told the judge to be fair and sentence her like he would everybody else. What kind of defense was that? MOO

 

[Whisperer]

I don't know if her life was horrendous or not but she sure has problems...and I think it or organic in nature. If we mention fugue or MP..people will run away. But there is certainly a disconnect with her.

I wonder why they didn't call for a psychiatric workup? It probably is because she wasn't charged with that crime. Who got her the attorney? and why. She didn't seem to care one way or the other till the very end when she was arrested for drugs.

Twenty-five years doesn't phase her at all. She doesn't get it. She simply accepts the day and doesn't go much ahead. I think she finds comfort in the fact that her buddies are in prison too.

 

[krkrjx]

I've thought from the beginning that Misty showed dissociative qualities...something she probably picked up as a kid and it was later alluded to by AS. If Misty's the perp, she would remember, I think, but not in a personal way. same thing if she witnessed someone else hurt Haleigh. If this is the case, LE's barking up the wrong tree. She'll just blank out when she feels threatened. There's no way she'll tell what happened, if telling means reliving certain emotions...dissociation, above all else, is a way to avoid certain emotions. But, after this happened, she IMO, seemed traumatized. maybe that was just shock or fear, but it was some kind of real emotion. Also, when her dad threatened to move, I heard some more real emotion. Most of the time though, she's very guarded and superficial and flighty. I've never seen anyone who seems less concerned with her own personal situation. She told the judge to be fair and sentence her like he would everybody else. What kind of defense was that? MOO

BBM: EXACTLY!!!

Sometimes a fugue is such that the person is emotionally removed to a corner of the room watching the events happen. They may even see themselves in the middle of the action, but emotionally they are far removed from it all and even those who do remember the event later will not be sure if it was real or a dream.

 

[dodie20]

I don't trust this test. Misty was lying, so what else is new? Dang it, did they catch her lying about being the perp? She sat down willingly for that test...some hard hitting questions would've been nice. Who cares what she lied about cooking for breakfast or what movie she lied about putting in the VCR. Where's Haleigh's body? Of course she's going to point at outside perps...she's a liar, but good grief, why waste questions on who she was trying to blame? She did supposedly show deception on Ron being involved, but call me stupid, because I believed her when she said she didn't know why she showed that deception. I wish the interviewer had said if she was showing deception on THAT answer. Did she know why she was suspecting Ron? If Ron was covering for her, would that make her deceptive where Ron was concerned? I think so, but does Misty's mind work like that? MOO

 

[Whisperer]

I think she knows her involvement and is willing to throw the blame on anyone except ron. Remember she knows enough to catch herself when she almost slips and gives something away.

Did you read the results about the blood? No deception on the blood in the van but it came up inconclusive that she thinks it belonged to a deer.

 

[Whisperer]

Dodie, I think the test does show her as the perp. I wish they would have given it to ron. bet they offered. That was never going to happen.

Come think of it, misty did talk about it at times like she dreamed there were four people there. Maybe they should explore the dream aspect with her. Instead of hitting her up with reality, come from a different perspective. These interview seemed straight up..

 

[krkrjx]

The blood in the van would have been tested. LE would know if it was human blood or animal blood. If there really was blood in the van, that is. Misty could have mentioned deer blood just on the off-chance there was blood in the van.

 

[Whisperer]

It appears that there were at least 328 results of that test OMG! we got just a few. There is enough there for a psycholgist to evaluate. At this point they should have had the FBI question her. They are experienced in questioning and this kind of personlity.

 

[Whisperer]

The blood in the van would have been tested. LE would know if it was human blood or animal blood. If there really was blood in the van, that is. Misty could have mentioned deer blood just on the off-chance there was blood in the van.

It is my understanding that LE cut the piece of carpet from the van and took it for testing.

Of course, like everything else they must keep this close to the vest..:maddening:

 

[dodie20]

Dodie, I think the test does show her as the perp. I wish they would have given it to ron. bet they offered. That was never going to happen.

Come think of it, misty did talk about it at times like she dreamed there were four people there. Maybe they should explore the dream aspect with her. Instead of hitting her up with reality, come from a different perspective. These interview seemed straight up..

The dream should have been picked to pieces. There's no way Misty will ever give a second by second detailed account. I don't think she has it in her. Even if she confesses or names the perp, she'll never answer all questions. But LE could maybe get her to 'remember' a dream. I think that's as close as Misty has ever come, to talking about that night. How exactly did we hear about the dream? Was it in a written report, or did someone say it on a show? moo.

 

[Whisperer]

I can't recall but I heard her talk about it. Didn't she also say (at one time) that she placed haleigh's necklace on her before she left the house?

 

[lonetraveler]

Any idea who wrote those comments? This LVA was sure snipped and clipped. What I wouldn't do for the whole test

Are you saying that people were watching the test as she spoke? Can one be sure they are seeing it correctly? It reads "deception" noted to that question. I would think the printuot came directly from the machine. I imagine the notes are what a poster inserted.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/06/exclusive-misty-cummings-voice-stress-report/

There are three links containing results on the LVA in this article concerning the LVA test being discussed by T.J. Ward.