Ron's Incident With The Gun Spark Investigation was opened by DCF.

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  • #181
If Ron had an inkling, well I believe Ron did have an inkling as he called home 21 times and no answer. .

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IMHO Ron didn't have any inklings that something was wrong,he knew something was wrong. I believe Ron C knew exactly what had happened to Haleigh and he knew it before he ever went into work...Reason being, he was the one responsible for whatever it was that happened to her... Those calls were instruction calls, telling Misty what to do and what to say...I'm interested in knowing where the phones are that they spoke to each other on that night...2 pings...21 calls just dont add up...I'm also interested in knowing just how many guns Ron C had and where they all are. And have they all been accounted for..I doubt seriously that they have been..JMO
 
  • #182
Do you think Misty used drugs in the past or present? Do you think Ron knows anything about Misty's drug use?

The difference would be that if I thought that, I would state it as an opinion.
 
  • #183
flossie, I believe Misty readily admitted she was using drugs on that weekend, its not speculation. And since then we know she has sought drugs. Now, speculation would be that Ron was using based on prior records and his dilated eyes in some interviews.
 
  • #184
flossie, I believe Misty readily admitted she was using drugs on that weekend, its not speculation. And since then we know she has sought drugs. Now, speculation would be that Ron was using based on prior records and his dilated eyes in some interviews.

No, I believe that's incorrect, I don't believe she has said she did drugs, link please.

We also don't know she "sought drugs".
 
  • #185
Your question, how is this Ron's fault? Pittsburg, I am a parent, never, ever would I leave my children with someone I knew used drugs or alcohol. I wouldn't even leave my kids with someone who had a dog I considered maybe vicious. Ron had a responsibility for his children to see that they were as safe as possible when he was not there. He did not do that. He left them with someone he knew used drugs often and had questionable behavior. He couldn't control what happened when he was not there, but he could control the probability of what happened by being a concerned, mature parent who put his children before anything else. He just didn't do that. That is a point in these threads that baffles me. Ron was ultimately the caregiver, he made the choices of whom his children spent their time with. He made the understanding of what type of care they would receive. When he could not reach Misty and those children by phone, he should have been on his way home, since he had absolute knowledge of Misty's behavior. Does this make sense to you? I don't know another way to phrase it.

You are to be commended as an exemplary parent. But think of how that stand would play out in the real world. How many parents would then have to refuse to leave a child with a spouse who had a drinking problem? My father had a drinking problem all his adult life and he was perfectly reliable as a parent, on the job, etc. He was a functional individual who abused alcohol. Most of the disputes on the Haleigh threads come down to this: People don't like Ron because he has a record of using drugs and a demeanor that they find inappropriate or alarming. They don't like him because he had a very young girlfriend who was living with him who had perhaps even more serious problems with drugs, and she was responsible for the kids. I get that. I do. However, none of that makes him responsible for what happened to Haleigh any more than a parent who lets a child drive a car is responsible for killing that child if he is involved in an accident or that (say) the Patz family is responsible for their son Etan's death because they let him walk a few blocks to the bus or Reve Walsh was responsible for Adam's disappearance because she took him to the mall. Looking back, they would all make different choices. No car, no walk to the bus, no mall, no Misty. And if Haleigh was abducted by a predator, her situation is no different than that of any child who is removed from his or her family life by a child molester. She and her family would be victims.

It's easy to say that Ron should have left work and perhaps lost his job to go home and check on Misty and the kids because we know what happened that night because we are looking backwards. It is clear that he trusted Misty up to a point but he did indeed try to keep in contact by phone and send people to check on her--if we are to believe Misty's brother, one of those people was sent out and reported that the trailer was quiet. If his story is true, and that should have been easy to verify by phone records, Ron had no reason to believe that Misty was not home, had taken the kids out, or that a party was going on. In today's economy, anyone would have to think hard before jeopardizing a job, especially an individual with minimal education and marketable skills.

By your logic, Ed Smart is guilty because he didn't do a background check on his hired help. We don't like it but sometimes things we do have bad, unintended consequences. I in no way think the Smarts were responsible for what happened to their daughter. She was kidnapped by a disgusting pervert. Until we have evidence that Ron, Misty, or Crystal made Haleigh disappear, I think we have to look at all the days and nights where Haleigh and Junior went to bed and woke up safe at home (with either parent) and all the days and nights since Haleigh disappeared that Junior has apparently gone to bed and woken up safe at home, even with the dreadful Misty living in the house for 7 months.
 
  • #186
Baby Shannon being found is keeping me hopeful HaLeigh will be too.
 
  • #187
Baby Shannon being found is keeping me hopeful HaLeigh will be too.
Me too, me too, me too!!! What a happy, happy, ending for that sweet baby! I hold out hope Haleigh can have a happy ending too. ♥
 
  • #188
Baby Shannon being found is keeping me hopeful HaLeigh will be too.

I just posted a similar thought over in her forum Flossie. I initially was responding to a poster that had posted in favor of the babysitter in Shannon's case. This poster was apologizing for defending someone that she thought couldn't possibly have been involved in Shannon's disappearance. She also said that she would never defend anyone again.
I posted that I didn't feel she had any reason to apologize or explain her reasons for her statements. Only she knows why she felt that way. The prospect of innocent until proven guilty is our right as Americans.

You are correct, Baby Shannon being found renews my hope that the answers are there to be discovered. It is not too late for all of those who love Haleigh to still get their miracle! I hope that PCSO feels a renewed hope as well, perhaps they have never lost hope....who knows. The only way we are not going to find the answers is if we stop looking!
 
  • #189
Pittsburgirl, Your logic is not mine. I must be failing to make what is plain to me plain to others. If you let your child walk to school one day and dogs attack and kill her, no, its not your fault, its a terrible accident, but if you strap raw steaks to that child and send her on her walk to school and the dogs attack, well, yes, that would be your fault. I don't think you are understanding my definition of responsibility and accident. But if you want to believe that, ok, I just think you are too intelligent not to get the connection and I'm just darn tired of trying to make the connection for so many on here when they then proceed to give me examples of things other parents couldn't help. So ok you think Ron was in no way responsible and I am sure that Ron is very responsible.
I just want to put out another line of reasoning for those that may have not made up their minds or are confused by so much information. Take care
 
  • #190
Baby Shannon being found is keeping me hopeful HaLeigh will be too.

I was thinking the same thing Flossie. It would be so nice if we could just stop pointing fingers as to "who did it", "who caused it" and concentrate on "where is she". Since MC got in the middle of that deal across town with attempting to buy drugs and ended up getting hurt, it makes me wonder if this isn't the type of people that would have been around that 3 day party the weekend before Haleigh went missing. Who were they? Has LE asked for names and interviewed every one of them? Are there any that have since disappeared? MC, RC, Crystal, TN, Gr.Sykes, the Croslins, have all ended up in this circle as subjects allegedly knowing what happened and where she went. I don't think so at this point. I know I've made statements about RC I wish I never had but regretting it is a good thing because that means I can open my mind to other directions and what could have possibly happened to Haleigh. My God, you can only look under the same bed so many times before you realize what you're looking for just isn't there. Unless your name is Shannon Dedrick! What a blessing she was found and it is encouraging that maybe, just maybe we can find Haleigh too.:praying:
 
  • #191
I'm happy that they found the baby after just a few days. Nine months is an awfully long long time to be missing.
 
  • #192
Flossie, I hope you read and understand Pittsburghgirls post above.
 
  • #193
I'm happy that they found the baby after just a few days. Nine months is an awfully long long time to be missing.

It doesn't matter how long she's been missing, not really. The important thing is finding her.
 
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Me too, me too, me too!!! What a happy, happy, ending for that sweet baby! I hold out hope Haleigh can have a happy ending too. ♥
Let's keep praying!

The campaign to make the parents look bad really has me thinking.
 
  • #196
Pittsburgirl, Your logic is not mine. I must be failing to make what is plain to me plain to others. If you let your child walk to school one day and dogs attack and kill her, no, its not your fault, its a terrible accident, but if you strap raw steaks to that child and send her on her walk to school and the dogs attack, well, yes, that would be your fault. I don't think you are understanding my definition of responsibility and accident. But if you want to believe that, ok, I just think you are too intelligent not to get the connection and I'm just darn tired of trying to make the connection for so many on here when they then proceed to give me examples of things other parents couldn't help. So ok you think Ron was in no way responsible and I am sure that Ron is very responsible.
I just want to put out another line of reasoning for those that may have not made up their minds or are confused by so much information. Take care

I ask this question in all sincerity. Referring to the portion of your post that I bolded of course. You think that Pittsburghgirl is intelligent but not as intelligent as you because you have solved the case and know with absolute certainty Ronald Cummings is not only guilty in his daughter's disappearance but should be punished because he couldn't prevent her abduction?? How is it that because there are some who hold a different opinion from others are labeled as either related to the Cummings family, or have inside information, or think Ronald is adorable, or well...I'll stop there. I find that extremely offensive. I am a happily married woman of almost 20 years. I have 4 amazing children that I have given my all and my everything to since they were born. I graduated at the top of my class and while not valedictorian, I received a full scholarship for investigative journalism at a very fine baptist college. I attended school for no more than a year before I became pregnant with my oldest daughter and made a decision that changed my life forever. Now instead of writing for a newspaper or traveling around researching and reporting on the issues that I hold dear to my heart, I write stories for children, among other things, and I am the happiest woman on the face of the earth....or any planet for that matter!

Why did I tell you all that? Because I have no horse in this race and will have won or lost nothing upon resolution to this case. When you dismiss my and other poster's opinions in the way that you do it is offensive. Personally speaking I am capable of arriving at the opinion that I support based on the same exact evidence and facts that you use to arrive at your opinions, and I accept these differences between us because I think you are an intelligent poster. I do not conclude that you are any less intelligent because you do not share my views.

Granny, please don't think that I am disrespectful, that is not my intention. I just wanted to ask why your view is the only view possible in this case? I enjoy reading your posts and maybe you don't realize the impression you are giving of others. I don't care that you think Ronald is involved! That doesn't make me think any less of you at all. I just get the impression that those who think Ronald is involved think that those of us who have the opposite opinion are less intelligent, or related to the Cummings, and that is just not so. I get the impression that you think less of me and others for their opinions. Perhaps that shouldn't matter, but to me it does matter because after talking and interacting with every single one of you that contribute to Haleigh's forum daily, like I do, I have begun to feel a kinship with many. I guess that is why it is feels offensive.
 
  • #197
I ask this question in all sincerity. Referring to the portion of your post that I bolded of course. You think that Pittsburghgirl is intelligent but not as intelligent as you because you have solved the case and know with absolute certainty Ronald Cummings is not only guilty in his daughter's disappearance but should be punished because he couldn't prevent her abduction?? How is it that because there are some who hold a different opinion from others are labeled as either related to the Cummings family, or have inside information, or think Ronald is adorable, or well...I'll stop there. I find that extremely offensive. I am a happily married woman of almost 20 years. I have 4 amazing children that I have given my all and my everything to since they were born. I graduated at the top of my class and while not valedictorian, I received a full scholarship for investigative journalism at a very fine baptist college. I attended school for no more than a year before I became pregnant with my oldest daughter and made a decision that changed my life forever. Now instead of writing for a newspaper or traveling around researching and reporting on the issues that I hold dear to my heart, I write stories for children, among other things, and I am the happiest woman on the face of the earth....or any planet for that matter!

Why did I tell you all that? Because I have no horse in this race and will have won or lost nothing upon resolution to this case. When you dismiss my and other poster's opinions in the way that you do it is offensive. Personally speaking I am capable of arriving at the opinion that I support based on the same exact evidence and facts that you use to arrive at your opinions, and I accept these differences between us because I think you are an intelligent poster. I do not conclude that you are any less intelligent because you do not share my views.

Granny, please don't think that I am disrespectful, that is not my intention. I just wanted to ask why your view is the only view possible in this case? I enjoy reading your posts and maybe you don't realize the impression you are giving of others. I don't care that you think Ronald is involved! That doesn't make me think any less of you at all. I just get the impression that those who think Ronald is involved think that those of us who have the opposite opinion are less intelligent, or related to the Cummings, and that is just not so. I get the impression that you think less of me and others for their opinions. Perhaps that shouldn't matter, but to me it does matter because after talking and interacting with every single one of you that contribute to Haleigh's forum daily, like I do, I have begun to feel a kinship with many. I guess that is why it is feels offensive.
elle, you are so very eloquent! Thanks is not enough, I am very appreciative! :clap::clap::clap::blowkiss:
 
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So Ron would have been 16 since there is only two years difference between the two.

I'm confused, didn't RC just have his 26th birthday??????
 
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