Ron's Incident With The Gun Spark Investigation was opened by DCF.

[Malesherbes]

.......it ends up in a mailbox?

(sorry)

These aren't all his charges, remember. There are other counties, other charges.

I mean, the prison is filled with people who have been caught with less than this guy has- of course he was singing like a bird, and I bet he liked to feel important and tell the cops new leads about who to bust if it save his behind- I mean this is shameful, I never, ever want to hear about something as so mild as a mary jane party again, lol.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

11/16/06
Guilty of Careless driving and expired registration-Volusia County

IMO all of Ron's charges, infractions, citations, what ever you want to call them show character of a person who is hot tempered, irresponsible, involved with drugs and doesn't obey the law. I didn't even list the charges that have occured after Haleigh disappeared. These actions could have led to the tragedy of what happened to Haleigh. You may not agree with me and that's fine, I respect your opinion, just stating my case as you have stated yours. If we all agreed we wouldn't have anything to discuss!

My thoughts and opinions only.

I missed the Volusia driving citation. I don't disagree with anything you say, although I think it is unlikely that this pattern, rightly described, is a direct cause of Haleigh's disappearance. The major drug arrests occurred in 2004 and 2005--four years ago. So there is at least the suggestion of another pattern--to stay out of drug trouble. My biggest gripe is the way his record is sensationalized when a lot of it is just petty stuff like traffic and hunting violations and for all but the 2005 arrest, he appears to have gone through the legal system and received the same penalties as other people do. Perhaps part of my view is shaped by my own knowledge of how criminal complaints like these are handled, usually beginning with intervention programs, anger management, fines and community service--all of which we see in his record. And I am not arguing that this system is a wise or effective one, either; it is what it is.

For the 2005 arrest to be dropped prior to trial suggests that either the officer conducted a bad search or the lab stuff came back wrong. Informants don't have charges dropped; they are reduced, usually, or "continued" to maintain appearances and keep someone on probation and in line. How would LE run an informant If the charges had been dropped and they had no leverage like probation to keep someone hooked in? That was a TV movie idea when JVM floated it and it still is. The prosecutor couldn't make a case or they hyped up the charges, as often happens, and the defense attorney caught them at it.

But maybe that arrest scared him enough and cost his family enough financially to straighten out his act a little, because that appears to be the last big drug issue. (Felony possession would have been thousands in legal fees just to start.) What I'd like is for his admittedly reckless, illegal, and stupid conduct to be seen in some reasonable context, given his age at the time and what appears to be an attempt to shape up. I feel like I've learned a lot in this discussion, but these thoughts--JMO. I will say, though, that it may turn around that being connected to the Croslins was a bigger mistake than any of these problems with the law. That may turn out to be a lifetime of heartache and regret.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I know there was an arrest where he had some of the drugs in his possession that Whisperer recently stated. I read it somewhere and now I can't find it. Whisperer do you know where that happened? I will have to do some more searching.

Charges 9/05 Sarasota Co.:

DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION

DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION

VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 10/18/2005

DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION

One of the drugs named was morphine. Others were not listed. All of the above charges were dropped/abandoned.

Where does it state that drug dogs were brought in? I must have missed that.
I've heard that when RC was arrested in Sarasota Co. Crystal was with him so why wasn't she arrested? Was she or anybody else with him? Was he carrying the drugs or were they in the car? If the latter happened I can understand why the charges didn't stick-too hard to prove who is responsible for them. Even though the charges were dropped it doesn't make it right that he was in possession of them-it is illegal. The 9/05 drug arrest was made at the time that Ron was in the process of gaining custody and one of the reasons he stated he wanted custody was that their mother has a drug problem and here he is the one arrested for drugs!
Why does the transscript you posted state that Jane was asking Vinny Parco, P.I. and the pastor responded? Is that a typo? Why would Ron be speaking w/VP and calling him "pastor"? If that is the pastor talking and he doesn't know Ron very well (I don't think RC is the church going type) and RC throws him a bunch of bs then that is what he is going to believe. Which is what I think Ron did-he's cunning and manipulative and I have no doubt he would lie to a pastor.

As for your other quote-of course a defense lawyer is going to say that-that is how they operate!

The reason they were dropped is PUBLIC info.-just not available online. I'm not going to drive to FL to look at them or waste money buying them.

The police officer did his job by arresting RC. If Crystal or some other person was with him they could bring that up in court and raise doubt the drugs may not be the defendants and the judge throws the case out. There are so many holes in the laws people walk all the time.

1/02/2001 he has a license but he was cited for:

2001-01-02 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #8654-AJQ-5 LECLAIR

2001-01-02 1 VIOLATION OF LICENSE RESTRICTIONS (BUSINESS PURPOSES)

He was fined and put on probation. He also had a 7pm curfew and had to tour the jail-lol-I guess they want to show you if you keep being bad where you will end up. Sadly it does not work for some people.

12/12/02 charges are:

2002-12-12 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO (ARREST 12/12/2002)

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF COCAINE

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA

11/16/06
Guilty of Careless driving and expired registration-Volusia County

IMO all of Ron's charges, infractions, citations, what ever you want to call them show character of a person who is hot tempered, irresponsible, involved with drugs and doesn't obey the law. I didn't even list the charges that have occured after Haleigh disappeared. These actions could have led to the tragedy of what happened to Haleigh. You may not agree with me and that's fine, I respect your opinion, just stating my case as you have stated yours. If we all agreed we wouldn't have anything to discuss!

My thoughts and opinions only.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Most states consider GHB and Ecstasy very serious crimes. About 5 yrs each.

Heroin, cocaine and meth are felonies here also.

He should have been looking at least at 20 with a plea down to 5....BUT this is Ron Cummings we're talking about here. Nothing is his fault, remember?

One day his luck is going to run out...

:thumb: :clap:

arrot:

 

[elle1919]

Thank you so much for posting these charges inside the thread. I have devoted a very good lump of my time into the research of these charges as well as the outcome of these charges. Inconsequential of note, in my opinion, because what you have succeeded in affirming is that if you are ambitious enough there is much to discover in the past history of each and every key player in this case. Please note that the information that you have raised for discussion pertain to the year of 2002. Haleigh Cummings was born August 17, 2003, please note...Haleigh WAS NOT BORN at the time of the charges in your above post, but nearly 9 months after. FACT. Also of note Marie Griffis married Bruce Griffis, I think the date of record is late December of 2001. I am linking to their marriage cert. found here on WS in the stickies. Link http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/image230290.jpg

So where are we? Ronald and Crystal enter into a relationship and soon after Crystal becomes pregnant with Haleigh. Crystal's mother marries Bruce Griffis late 2001. But if you take the time to look into the records you might see that there is a trend beginning to form with Ronald Cummings as well as Crystal. Marie appears to have no objection with the relationship that her child has entered into with Ronald. Haleigh is born in the summer of 2003 and Crystal and Ronald carried on a relationship throughout the next good lump of time. Next date of note February 15, 2005 and on this day we see the birth of Ronald JR, which then leads us to the next date of not which happens in 2005 as well.

2005 The Putnam County Clerk records show that Ronald Cummings sought paternity (custody?) in 2005 against Crystal Sheffield. Indeed there is much to discover and the truth is there for all to read if we are so inclined.

Whisperer you have no problem in providing the necessary information to support your claims that Ronald Cummings has a past and I actually thank you and others for doing so. Without all of your hard work I would not have been able to come to possess the opinions that I have formed. I took the information that was out there and arrived at the opinion that Haleigh Cummings was born into a dysfunctional family on both ends of the family spectrum. Maternal and Paternal sides included. But rather than accuse the mother and father of this child of her disappearance and possible murder, I am refraining from passing judgment on them based on charges that go back before the birth of their children. If we are to declare them guilty based on charges, intertwined with rumors and speculations of drug usage based on the company each one keeps then perhaps we should call for the arrest and prosecution of all these family members and lock them up in a cell until we find Haleigh.

Then...after we find Haleigh and determine who wasn't involved...we will let out the family members that are not guilty. The guilty ones will already be locked up so case closed right? I can not agree. Innocent until proven guilty is the foundation that our country was built on. Perhaps you don't agree with it, but our forefathers that established the laws for which our country was built on protects the innocent and prosecutes the guilty. I agree that it is difficult to be patient and wait for Law Enforcement to discover the truth but it is how things must be done. This is not Iraq, where we can arrest who we think is guilty and slaughter them at the stake, this is the United States of America.

These threads are moving at a productive pace today! I am bumping my earlier post so it doesn't get buried in the masses. I was hoping to get a little feed back in regards to information that I presented. I realize that my information, while based on fact, might not be accepted in the same way that juicy gossip and rampant rumors are, but since the information that I present could go a long way in establishing a time line and back story as to Ronald's criminal charges, I was hoping to open up a very relevant discussion of the facts involving Haleigh's parents history. TIA

 

[Whisperer]

I know very well what year they occurred, what is the point? Look at the charges and look how much and how serious the drugs he plays with are. Who filed an injunction against Crystal? RC? IF true, that wouldn't surprise me; he continues the same behavior. His thinking is obvious, he will retaliate. He has been schooled in the law. He thinks by pressing a similar charge, he will break even if it goes to court. I have not seen this injunction but would like to; as I said, I don't doubt he would do it, but have not seen the legal paper.

RC is a master manipulator. He knows his way around a court of law, plays the game well, imo....has lots of practice and lots of advice.

Crystal appears to be an honest person...to a fault. She is the one who spoke about her faults and took responsibility; we have never seen any like behavior with RC, he chooses to put the blame on other people.

As far as your post getting feedback, I don't know what else to say with the exception that RC has multiple arrests and few convictions. He always has attorneys. If you think that because his Candy Store was prior to the birth of his first child and that it doesn't count, I suggest you take a look at the rest of his history and his variety of arrests since the birth. He may hide his drugs better now and not keep them in his car, but certainly does not show any signs of stopping using/dealing.

Maybe it would be interesting to try and figure out why this poor grieving father finds it necessary to, once again, retain attorneys for himself while his child is missing.

 

[Whisperer]

Where do you get your information that Marie has/had no problem with RC? She may not have been able to stop Crystal from being with him. Has that been entertained?

Maybe she was the one who eventually made CS "See the light" and leave him? Of course, with Crystal's tender heart and naivete, it costs her the children. It appears to me that you are blaming Crystal as much as RC in regards to losing Haleigh.

 

[Whisperer]

Quoted and snipped from ELLE.... am refraining from passing judgment on them based on charges that go back before the birth of their children. If we are to declare them guilty based on charges, intertwined with rumors and speculations of drug usage based on the company each one keeps then perhaps we should call for the arrest and prosecution of all these family members and lock them up in a cell until we find Haleigh. ...UNQUOTE

I do not understand the reasoning here. It is stated that because you are only basing charges on the parents that occurred AFTER the birth of Haleigh concerning all family members? Where do you get rumors and speculations about drugs. I posted clearly on the previous page just the facts of just one arrest of RC...no rumors, no speculation.

Do you really want to make us post ALL of RC's arrests again? He is the one that continues to get in trouble. Kids or no kids. He hides his drugs better now, imo, but still continues bad behavior. Marie and Crystal.....no such thing, nada. In fact, there record is almost pure standing next to Ron's and IIRC they have had no charges on them in many years. Did Crystal ever have a drug charge?

 

[Malesherbes]

Quoted and snipped from ELLE.... am refraining from passing judgment on them based on charges that go back before the birth of their children. If we are to declare them guilty based on charges, intertwined with rumors and speculations of drug usage based on the company each one keeps then perhaps we should call for the arrest and prosecution of all these family members and lock them up in a cell until we find Haleigh. ...UNQUOTE

I do not understand the reasoning here. It is stated that because you are only basing charges on the parents that occurred AFTER the birth of Haleigh concerning all family members? Where do you get rumors and speculations about drugs. I posted clearly on the previous page just the facts of just one arrest of RC...no rumors, no speculation.

Do you really want to make us post ALL of RC's arrests again? He is the one that continues to get in trouble. Kids or no kids. He hides his drugs better now, imo, but still continues bad behavior. Marie and Crystal.....no such thing, nada. In fact, there record is almost pure standing next to Ron's and IIRC they have had no charges on them in many years. Did Crystal ever have a drug charge?

I think what it comes down to is that some think Crystal is a huge piece of crap because she was not a full time mother- to some that cheapens her mother status, and its so wrong- jmo

 

[elle1919]

Where do you get your information that Marie has/had no problem with RC? She may not have been able to stop Crystal from being with him. Has that been entertained?

Maybe she was the one who eventually made CS "See the light" and leave him? Of course, with Crystal's tender heart and naivete, it costs her the children. It appears to me that you are blaming Crystal as much as RC in regards to losing Haleigh.

Once again thank you for your honest reply. I get my "information' from the forums here at WS or from acceptable media outlets. The statement that I made about Marie is not information, it is my personal opinion. Much like your opinion that Crystal is an honest, yet naive young woman. That was your opinion right? ....I have the opinion that Marie didn't object to Ronald and Crystal's relationship before the birth of Haleigh and quite possibly before the birth of RJ. I have seen no evidence to support the claim that she did have an objection to him. Crystal maintained a relationship with Ronald that spanned years, not weeks or months. Then after the birth of their second child we see some issues begin to develop. Rather than wait for a judge to demand that Ronald submit to paternity testing of the children born out of wedlock, Ronald sought paternity in 2005. Paternity was established without a court of law having to step in and demand a father to own his responsibility. As far as the injunction against Crystal for domestic violence against a child, there was such an injunction and I did not bring up the injunction as proof that Crystal was an unfit mother I brought up the injunction because it is a charge that Crystal had against her just as the charges that Ronald had against him. Your focus is on drug charges that are dated BEFORE Haleigh was born. While I am in complete agreement that there have been later charges that are of a concern, there are NO drug charges in the past two years.

What you seem to glean from my posts today is that I blame Crystal as much as I blame Ronald and that is completely inaccurate. I blame neither parent Whisperer and up until yesterday I refused to partake in the discussion of criminal activity surrounding The Cummings Family or The Griffis Family, or The Sheffield Family. Because their histories have not been pointed out by Law Enforcement to be connected in any way to Haleigh's disappearance. I find drug use inexcusable. All drug use. I find smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol in the presence of children unacceptable and in excusable. Those are just a few of the things that both all of these families could be guilty of doing and please make no mistake, there are no excuses for those behaviors. I have since the beginning of this case made posts in support of Ronald and Crystal both. Please click on my hat and read my posts before you accuse me of assigning blame to Crystal. I never have. Just last week I replied to a post by Curvecuti in support of Crystal and if you care to read it it is there for you to see.

I find myself feeling very alone as I venture into Haleigh's forum everyday. I am not here to make friends I am here to find the truth. If I discover something that supports the theory that Ronald Cummings is involved in the disappearance of his daughter, I would try to be the first to come here and offer up that information on Haleigh's forum. I wish I could find the answers, I wish there was proof that Ronald was involved, because then we would be that much closer to bringing home a missing child. I support both of these parents and no-one else. There is no evidence to support the theory that Ronald or Crystal are involved in Haleigh's disappearance. Indeed there is a lot of drug charges and the potential exists for drugs to be the common denominator, but I refuse to badmouth Ronald or Crystal until we have all the facts. Perhaps badmouth is an inappropriate word to use, I apologize for that but, to me that is what all of this sounds like.

 

[elle1919]

I think what it comes down to is that some think Crystal is a huge piece of crap because she was not a full time mother- to some that cheapens her mother status, and its so wrong-

Please point me in the direction of where it says Crystal is a huge piece of crap? Crystal is a young, grieving mother and I have never read anything even remotely close to those words?

 

[KOOL LOOK]

elle, many here enjoy your posts. I don't have to scroll pass in order to avoid nausea and anger. you speak like a genuine lady with class and someone I would allow my own children to be around and learn from. I'm having a lazzzzzzy day, hubby home from virginia, and it takes alot of my time making him wait on me. LOL He spoils me sweet. LOL Hugs to you, keep posting, I'm following and listening. Your theory varies from mine somewhat, but parts of yours may wind up being correct, and parts of mine may, in the end will tell. Haleighs case will be solved, and we'll compare our sleuthing abilities.

 

[Malesherbes]

Please point me in the direction of where it says Crystal is a huge piece of crap? Crystal is a young, grieving mother and I have never read anything even remotely close to those words?

Um, once again, my opinions!! ther_beatingA_Dead

 

[Whisperer]

Badmouthing is an accurate term, Elle...no offense taken. Crystal was 14 when she got involved with RC and according to her, he introduced her to drugs and the partaking of them.

But would you please show me the injunction RC (?) filed against Crystal for domestic violence?

As far as the paternity and the taking of the children, it would be helpful to put it in perspective. However, I still think some would say that RC at the age of 22 showed courage and honor to take his children and file custody. Keep in mind he filed and told the judge he did so to keep them away from drugs that he thought the mother MAY be using. Later, in the hearing after his award by defaut, we find out that he was still paying back drug fines and had been arrested again while filing for custody. BTW, Crystal had been clean for a year at the time of the hearing. If this little maneuver doesn't convince anyone that RC clearly took the children out of revenge (she left him) or he saw child support payments coming, than little is left to assume on the sleuth but rose-colored glasses being worn when it comes to RC.

A typical 22 yr old man would not seek custody of an infant and toddler on is own. RC was not typical, I know that, he was an extremely young immature man, with problems, who had no idea on how to raise an infant and a mere toddler on his own (in this sense he is typical). To give him credit for doing so is your right, but my judgement and logic tells me he is not that type of a person. IOW, I don't see him as honorable and able to provide these children with a safe, loving, emotional and spiritual environment. If he possessed any of these characteristics he would have given JR up, at least temporarily to his mother during the past nine months. Instead he chose to force her to go to court and to get Jr some help with emotional issues and demands strict guidelines in her rights to see or talk to children.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Please point me in the direction of where it says Crystal is a huge piece of crap? Crystal is a young, grieving mother and I have never read anything even remotely close to those words?

Her posts are the only ones that keep saying that stuff about Crystal, over and over. I never think about it, or even remotely visualize Crystal as crap til I see those posts. If I didn't want people thinking or believing someone was a piece of crap, I surely wouldn't keep putting it in print all the time. As it does the opposite effect in my opinion.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Badmouthing is an accurate term, Elle...no offense taken. Crystal was 14 when she got involved with RC and according to her, he introduced her to drugs and the partaking of them.

But would you please show me the injunction RC (?) filed against Crystal for domestic violence?

Let me understand this correctly. You claim Crystal states Ron introduced her to drugs? At 14? When she and he got together, correct? Okay then.

Well how do you explain her very own mama Marie, being arrested and locked up for drugs, and manufacturing and having a drug dwelling when Crystal lived with her at the young tender age of 12 years old? Was Crystal not exposed and introduced then by her own Mama Marie?

Of course she was for petes sake.

 

[elle1919]

Quoted and snipped from ELLE.... am refraining from passing judgment on them based on charges that go back before the birth of their children. If we are to declare them guilty based on charges, intertwined with rumors and speculations of drug usage based on the company each one keeps then perhaps we should call for the arrest and prosecution of all these family members and lock them up in a cell until we find Haleigh. ...UNQUOTE

I do not understand the reasoning here. It is stated that because you are only basing charges on the parents that occurred AFTER the birth of Haleigh concerning all family members? Where do you get rumors and speculations about drugs. I posted clearly on the previous page just the facts of just one arrest of RC...no rumors, no speculation.

Do you really want to make us post ALL of RC's arrests again? He is the one that continues to get in trouble. Kids or no kids. He hides his drugs better now, imo, but still continues bad behavior. Marie and Crystal.....no such thing, nada. In fact, there record is almost pure standing next to Ron's and IIRC they have had no charges on them in many years. Did Crystal ever have a drug charge?

I hope the moderators will show some leniency with the both of us. It is not my intention to appear as if we are locked in battle over this issue. I welcome your posts and questions and discussions such as these could lead somewhere, I hope...lol.

I think I am finally understanding you. It is your opinion that while there are no current drug charges outstanding on RC....once a criminal...always a criminal. And you have the opinion that he is hiding his drug involvement? I am following you now. So be it. I can't debate a feeling. I just stand by my earlier post that I have seen no evidence to point to Ronald or Crystal. As far as the question about Crystal having a drug charge, perhaps she never got caught and charged. That means Ronald was a dumber criminal. lol. Are you telling me that Crystal, an admitted drug user, and companion of Ronald and mother of his children, was not aware that the father of her children was breaking the law? I give Crystal much more credit than that. I do not post information that I cannot confirm as fact but I am sure you are aware of an incident involving drugs and Crystal since Haleigh went missing. I think we are permitted to discuss it but not on the general discussion threads, but I am not sure. Sincerely though, I am not trying to convince you of any persons innocence. I only wish to represent my own opinion in the best way that I know how. I think Crystal and Ronald are both capable of providing Haleigh and Junior with a good home and whatever DCF decides is what will have to be upheld.

 

[elle1919]

elle, many here enjoy your posts. I don't have to scroll pass in order to avoid nausea and anger. you speak like a genuine lady with class and someone I would allow my own children to be around and learn from. I'm having a lazzzzzzy day, hubby home from virginia, and it takes alot of my time making him wait on me. LOL He spoils me sweet. LOL Hugs to you, keep posting, I'm following and listening. Your theory varies from mine somewhat, but parts of yours may wind up being correct, and parts of mine may, in the end will tell. Haleighs case will be solved, and we'll compare our sleuthing abilities.

Thank you KOOL, My husband will be departing soon, he has been gone out of town all week for work and he would like to have me wait on him a little .....lol. (((KOOL))) hugs to you too, go enjoy your lazzzy day.

Thank you for your kind comments. I sincerely try to remain impartial and support Haleigh's parents. I will until there is a reason not too. I appreciate you and your opinions.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Um, once again, my opinions!! ther_beatingA_Dead

Your opinion? Your opinion is making statements accusing the members here who participate in Haleigh's forum of this type of behavior, and that's not true nor fact. I would like for you to point me to any posts that is saying these horrible things about Crystal, as I've not seen a one remotely resembling what you describe and accuse others of.

Misty, Ron and Cummings family are spoken of very badly, called names, and bashed repeatedly.

So far DCF hasn't removed Jr. and I don't foresee them doing it in the future. These latest allegations made by strangers has backfired in my opinion.

 

[elle1919]

Badmouthing is an accurate term, Elle...no offense taken. Crystal was 14 when she got involved with RC and according to her, he introduced her to drugs and the partaking of them.

But would you please show me the injunction RC (?) filed against Crystal for domestic violence?

As far as the paternity and the taking of the children, it would be helpful to put it in perspective. However, I still think some would say that RC at the age of 22 showed courage and honor to take his children and file custody. Keep in mind he filed and told the judge he did so to keep them away from drugs that he thought the mother MAY be using. Later, in the hearing after his award by defaut, we find out that he was still paying back drug fines and had been arrested again while filing for custody. BTW, Crystal had been clean for a year at the time of the hearing. If this little maneuver doesn't convince anyone that RC clearly took the children out of revenge (she left him) or he saw child support payments coming, than little is left to assume on the sleuth but rose-colored glasses being worn when it comes to RC.

A typical 22 yr old man would not seek custody of an infant and toddler on is own. RC was not typical, I know that, he was an extremely young immature man, with problems, who had no idea on how to raise an infant and a mere toddler on his own. To give him credit for doing so is your right but my judgement and logic tells me he is not that kind of person. IOW, I don't see him as honorable and able to provide these children with a safe, loving, emotional and spiritual environment. If he possessed any of these characteristics he would have given JR up, at least temporarily to his mother during the past nine months. Instead he chose to force her to go to court and to get Jr some help with emotional issues and demands strict guidelines in her rights to see or talk to children.

No RC is not a typical 22 year old man. And I have no problem admitting that there is plenty to be ashamed of in the pasts of these parents.

Honestly Whisperer, we have heard from law Enforcement so infrequently that I truly cannot glean where they are at or where they are going. To be fair and human I have to say that I am grateful that I am not an investigator or a child welfare worker, because I, like you, have a lot of opinions. But, to remain impartial and look out for the best interests of Haleigh and Jr, or any other children this case involves (Tommy Croslins children) opinions are off limits.

Thank you for your responses and taking the time to talk about these issues with me even though we accomplished nothing. lol.

 

[Whisperer]

Kool look...Marie had one choice of drugs...and that was pot. If you think Marie gave her pot to smoke that is fine with me but I choose not to think she did.

Crystal was hooked on hard drugs though. So unless you can prove that Marie is responsible for that too, then I maintain that Crystal is being truthful. IMO. she appears to be very truthful since this event occurred.

As I asked before, does Crystal have any drug charges. We have to look at the source.

I do not put Pot and the hard core drugs run had on him in the same catagory (and neither does the law) In 2002, RC had these. He was with Crystal and she was 17 at the time. She told on video that she asked him to stop the meth/coke because she was pregnant.

Here is the list he had on him when he was still with CS:
Cocaine
Heroin
Date rape drugs
ecstasy
methamphetamines
pot
illegal pills

Since Pot wasn't the problem for Crystal, I'd venture to say that RC supplied some of his Candy Store to his young girlfriend